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How do you leave someone when you know they'll destroy you and you haven't got the strength for it?

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Diddlypiddly · 17/06/2022 12:43

I'm a boiled frog. I just had a look at my MN posting history, and for 7 years I've intermittently posted in Relationships about my husband. I'm so annoyed with myself. Seven years ago, I wasn't going through perimenopause, I didn't have long covid: I would have been mentally and physically strong enough to leave him. Now, well it's taken me about a month just to post this, just because I couldn't raise the energy to type it out. I can barely get through a day's work, I'm that exhausted.

For the fist several years of our relationship, I was totally love bombed. He thought I was amazing, he agreed with all my values, and he loved my positivity and bubbly personality. Then drip, drip, drip over the years, he very gradually turned negative, irritable, a terrible communicator, fussy, a perpetual victim, blames everyone and anyone apart from himself for all of his life's ills, a gaslighter, a stonewaller, a deflector, defensive, passive aggressive, and he trusts no one: he assumes everyone is a liar. He firmly believes he is superior to everyone. He has no friends, is no contact with his family, rarely leaves the house.

A couple of months ago, I had surgery and I had a tough recovery. Instead of treating me with compassion and kindness, he chose that period to fall out with me. He looked after me, but it was all done with irritability and much tutting and sighing. And then a few days after my surgery, he verbally attacked me with this huge list of 20 years worth of things I'd done wrong - honestly he was raking things up from 20 years ago that I couldn't even remember - and how I was responsible for him having no hobbies or friends. (I'm not.) The bile and contempt and hate for me all came out: most of it lies and twisted and manipulated to suit this narrative he had convinced himself of. I was appalled, and far too ill and exhausted to respond or deal with it. He then gave me the silent treatment for several days, then suddenly he was all 'I love you; I can't imagine life without you'.

He has form for having to be right about everything, even the most ridiculous and innocuous things: he has to come out on top. He's the most defensive person I've ever met - ever - and he can't stand being asked to do anything, e.g. if I ask him to take my coat upstairs when he's going upstairs anyway with his hands empty, he irritably refuses because, well I don't know why actually, I think he feels like he's deferring to me if he agrees to a small favour?? He will go massively out of his way to prove someone else wrong. He takes notes on the neighbours and on his colleagues, in order that he can use them as 'evidence' when they do something 'wrong' so he can then demonstrate his superiority. He even did it when a neighbour accidentally took our wheelie bin. He will not accept that people are human and make mistakes: he expects absolute perfection, and that perfection has to match his own values.

And this is exactly why I know he would move heaven and earth to destroy me if I did the ultimate betrayal and told him I wanted a divorce. He would make my life as hellish as he possibly could. He would block me every step of the way, dispute every little thing, tie us up in legal knots. He absolutely would have to come out top, knowing that he's destroyed me and he's won. If he could, he'd leave us with no money at all: he'd happily lose out on £thousands: it would be worth it as long as he knows that he's won and I've lost.

So I've spent the last 7 years coming up with excuses for myself not to leave. Obviously he's not a twat all the time. He's lovely more than he's horrible: supportive, loyal, funny, great company, blah blah blah. I'm not a total idiot: I haven't stayed this long with someone who's awful 100% of the time. And it's all been reeeallly gradual onset, so I almost haven't noticed it. And of course a lot of the time, he has very successfully made me think I've got things wrong: he's exceptionally talented at denial and twisting things. So I can persuade myself, well he's so lovely most of the time. Or, make myriad excuses to myself that I wouldn't get a mortgage on my own (I'm newly self employed), or that it's too difficult to work out care for our dogs who have separation anxiety, and so on and so on.

I know I need to leave. But it seems momentous. Not just knowing that he'll probably send me over the edge mentally (I still feel emotionally battered from how awful he was after my surgery), but also the sheer amount of untangling of our lives that's needed. Mortgage, house, accounts, shared subscriptions, belongings, cars, dogs. (No children, thankfully, makes things a bit less daunting). Knowing that there will be a period where I've told him I want to leave and having to stay in the house with him while we work out how to separate: he'll make my left hell.

Please, has anyone else left someone like this? How did you do it??

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GreenManalishi · 17/06/2022 15:51

Great advice here. The fact that you feel he would try to destroy you if you did leave him is the very reason you need to do it.

The fact you have no kids does make things more simple but don't be dismissed because you haven't just grabbd your keys and walked up the road.

See a solicito asap, take all financial info, earnings and mortgage and any other debts and assets. Keep your mouth shut, make sure he doesn't get a whiff of what your planning until you have everything set up to leave. Good luck, you can and will move on and be happy, no matter how he tries to convince you otherwise.

mathanxiety · 17/06/2022 15:54

You have no children. You can make a clean break.

You do not have to stay because of concern about the dogs.

Don't let your fears get the better of you.
The ultimate aim of abuse is to make the victim feel she has no option but to stay.

Get therapy. Start with the Freedom Programme.

Get a good solicitor. You can do this with a good solicitor..

You don't need a mortgage. Find a place to rent.

BlanketsBanned · 17/06/2022 16:06

I would write down your joint assets, you can take out half of any joint money so he cannot complain. Speak to your moortgage broker and ask about your options, can he buy your share, afford the mortgage himself, force a sale to get your share. Like pp said make a note of all joint and separate accounts, salaries, pensions etc. Dont argue about trivia, you can get a solicitor to go through what you are entitled to but sometimes its just easier to say goodbye, I am off and take what you can even if it doesnt seem fair. I left with nothing exxept my head held high and the knowledge I didn't have to put up with this idiot any longer.

Outfoxedbyrabbits · 17/06/2022 16:34

He would block me every step of the way, dispute every little thing, tie us up in legal knots. He absolutely would have to come out top, knowing that he's destroyed me and he's won. If he could, he'd leave us with no money at all: he'd happily lose out on £thousands: it would be worth it as long as he knows that he's won and I've lost.

Kindly, OP (and I see you've already recognised that you're catastrophising, which is completely understandable in your situatiom), much of the above is just not possible for him to do. He cannot prevent you from divorcing him. If you have proof of the marital assets then he cannot just get rid of them completely so that you can't have half of them. He has obviously very successfully ground you down to the extent that you're unable to gain a sense of perspective - and I suppose the solution to that is to counter his lies with the truth of the situation, for example by speaking with a solicitor and Women's Aid (and Mumsnet, and family and friends).

Imagine the look on his face when he realises you've got out! I would also recommend setting things up so that you a) leave and then b) tell him you've left. Leaving an abusive relationship is a dangerous time, I wouldn't discuss it with him or anything. Just get your ducks in a row, go and only communicate with him via your solicitor.

ConsistentlRetr080 · 17/06/2022 16:44

Op you do know that you can walk away at anytime, tomorrow if you want to

You can walk away tomorrow with nothing or just a couple of bags of stuff
Or
You can follow the legal process & take half of everything, which you are legally entitled to, if you are married

Millions of people seperate
Millions of people divorce

Your life will be 1000% better once you are free of this man

If you need some space & time to think, can you go away on your own for a couple of days or go & visit friends & family ?

NoToLandfill · 17/06/2022 16:50

LTB

That's it, just leave. Walk out.

Obviously have prepared in advance. But then leave.

Diddlypiddly · 17/06/2022 17:46

This is such great advice - thank you - particularly the practical stuff like renting something and getting everything sorted before I go. I'd got stuck on the terrifying idea of telling him first and then being stuck here for months while he made life hell. And the lists are so helpful. I'll start working through them. I think in my mind I've given him more power than he deserves.

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2022NewTimes · 17/06/2022 17:59

@Diddlypiddly - You could be talking about my husband......I left after 30 years earlier this year - planned it over three years to make sure I could pay rent myself and provide for my DCs as I knew he would never leave the house and would try to grind me down financially - now the new divorce laws means they cannot stop you divorcing them..... just separated at the moment ( five months ) will start divorce proceedings in the next three months.......I can honestly say I feel like me again..no more walking on eggshells wondering what is going to set him off....no more being shouted at in one of his rages....sleeping like a baby - I LOVE it........ you will feel so much better once you are out of his shadow and can breathe.......

GrimDamnFanjo · 17/06/2022 18:01

Absolutely get a secret list with what you need to sort.
Telling him will be the very last thing you do when you have already left.
Put lots of small things on the list so if you are having a bad day you can still make a small step towards freedom.

Mojoj · 17/06/2022 18:05

He's just a dick. You're building him up into this all powerful aggressor that will "destroy" you. No he won't because he's a just a man. And a dick. Leave. Now, before he sucks the very last bit of life out of you. Good luck.

NippyWoowoo · 17/06/2022 20:01

I'm afraid I had a lot of sympathy with you until I heard that you didn't have children. I just can't understand why you stayed for five minutes with somebody like this if you didn't have the responsibility of children together.

I can't believe that this has to be said, but there are many reasons why women don't leave abusive men. To put it down to simply having children really minimises a complex issue

Diddlypiddly · 17/06/2022 21:11

Obviously you stayed because you loved him and it’s hard to leave the life you thought you had

Thank you - yes, this is exactly it. You've worded it much better than I did.

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Diddlypiddly · 17/06/2022 21:11

NippyWoowoo · 17/06/2022 20:01

I'm afraid I had a lot of sympathy with you until I heard that you didn't have children. I just can't understand why you stayed for five minutes with somebody like this if you didn't have the responsibility of children together.

I can't believe that this has to be said, but there are many reasons why women don't leave abusive men. To put it down to simply having children really minimises a complex issue

Thank you - I appreciate you saying this

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Diddlypiddly · 17/06/2022 21:15

KangarooKenny · 17/06/2022 13:05

You do it slowly, make a list of what you need to do and work through it slowly.
‘Firstly, do you have your own bank account with any wages paid into it ?
Dogs - whose name are they in ? Are they pedigrees, and their KC papers are in your name, is it your name at the vets ?
Get a Tesco/Sainsburys points card and collect them up, so you’ve got ‘money’ that he can’t touch , to feed yourself .
You do it bit by bit so as not to alert him, and so you’re ready when it’s time.

Yes, I've got a separate account for my business incomings and outgoings.

The dogs are rescues - cross breeds - and not in anyone's name. This could be a sticking point because he'd try to keep them, which would break my heart. (I couldn't have children - the dogs are kind-of my substitute.)

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Diddlypiddly · 17/06/2022 21:17

Thanks so much for all the practical advice all of you. Honestly, it's helped more than you realise, just having a bunch of people give lists of things to do, offering support.

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VioletLemon · 17/06/2022 21:18

You just need to be honest with yourself. He won't change, he has grown in a different way from you.
Just leave, its over.

The longer you spend justifying how you truly feel is just wasting your life. You've got a chance here so take it.

What advice would you give the person you love more than life itself if it was happening to them?

This time in 3 months you could be chucking your keys down and making yourself a cuppa safe in the knowledge the stress is not in your home any longer. Good luck.

Renniesfixeverything · 17/06/2022 23:16

Are your dogs microchipped OP? Are they registered with a vet and if so who does correspondence from them come to and who tends to take them to appointments? If they're not chipped you could have them done and register the chips in your name, that would give you some proof of ownership, as would being the one who deals with their visits to the vet.

Diddlypiddly · 18/06/2022 06:46

Renniesfixeverything · 17/06/2022 23:16

Are your dogs microchipped OP? Are they registered with a vet and if so who does correspondence from them come to and who tends to take them to appointments? If they're not chipped you could have them done and register the chips in your name, that would give you some proof of ownership, as would being the one who deals with their visits to the vet.

Yes they're microchipped - I'm not sure whose name that would be in, but I can find the original paperwork and check. And at the vet's, both dogs are registered in my name. Does that give me more of a standing with the dogs? A friend got divorced a few years ago and was told by her solicitor that her dog was basically the equivalent of a piece of furniture as far as legality goes - they're just something for a couple to discuss and argue over.

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RandomMess · 18/06/2022 07:43

I would move out and take the dogs with you before telling him you are leaving and wanting a divorce.

The courts and police won't get involved if he wants the dogs back.

BlanketsBanned · 18/06/2022 11:06

I think if you get evidence od the dogs vets, microchip, who cares for them buys their food it would help but whats best for the dogs if you move out into rented accommodation,

Renniesfixeverything · 18/06/2022 11:11

Yes it would give you a legal standing, not directly related to divorce but I know of cases where ownership of a dog has been disputed and the person named on microchip/vets was deemed the legal owner. I agree with Random though, if you take the dogs it's unlikely the police will get involved (it's seen as a civil matter), it just covers you if all their stuff is in your name.

sleepymum50 · 18/06/2022 11:35

I’m a boiled frog too. The thing that has helped me the most is starting therapy.

To be able to tell someone what is going on and have them validate your feelings is empowering. I still haven’t spoken to any one IRL, but I will do as soon as therapy ends which is really soon. Even if you can’t afford therapy, use a wise and willing friend or family member.

The other thing I did was to have a free consultation with a solicitor. This really reassured me.

spanishsummers · 18/06/2022 12:49

He may try to make things difficult for you but he can only affect you if you allow him to.

This.

Diddlypiddly · 18/06/2022 18:54

sleepymum50 · 18/06/2022 11:35

I’m a boiled frog too. The thing that has helped me the most is starting therapy.

To be able to tell someone what is going on and have them validate your feelings is empowering. I still haven’t spoken to any one IRL, but I will do as soon as therapy ends which is really soon. Even if you can’t afford therapy, use a wise and willing friend or family member.

The other thing I did was to have a free consultation with a solicitor. This really reassured me.

Thanks for the advice - I'll look into therapy as i can see that would be useful. Have you left now?

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Diddlypiddly · 18/06/2022 18:55

Renniesfixeverything · 18/06/2022 11:11

Yes it would give you a legal standing, not directly related to divorce but I know of cases where ownership of a dog has been disputed and the person named on microchip/vets was deemed the legal owner. I agree with Random though, if you take the dogs it's unlikely the police will get involved (it's seen as a civil matter), it just covers you if all their stuff is in your name.

This is really reassuring - thank you.

I checked the microchip paperwork today and it's all in my name (task 1 from the lists done!)

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