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Not the best lover my wife has ever had...

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Tocquers · 25/04/2022 16:12

Hi all,

I was hoping I might be able to get a woman's perspective to help me work something out. For context, I am 32, and have been married about six months. I am (still - and we've been together 5 years) quite head over heels with my wife!

Anyway, to cut a long story short, about a week or so ago we were sitting on the couch on a very normal Tuesday night, when she got up to go to the loo. This next bit is not good behaviour - and I do realise this - but shortly after she'd left the room her phone (unlocked) pinged up with something like, 'Looooooool, don't tell [my name] that, anyway!' from a female friend my wife is close to

Clearly, it wasn't the right thing to do, but curiousity (and tbh a bit of worry) got the better of me, so I looked at the exchange. In short, a few nights ago, I'd told my wife she was the best sex I'd ever had - not for the first time, because she really is! She'd told her friend about this, and how sweet it was to say, but then something like (details are a bit blurry - was in a bit of a rush / shame spiral), 'But obvs I didn't tell him about [previous boyfriend]'s [slang for the obvious] which as we know was quiiiiite a bit bigger and better!'

Anyway, given what I was doing I didn't really wallow in the details and kind of just put the phone back where it was - I think her friend sent a load more texts so it wasn't obvious I'd been snooping. But since then I've gone down a bit of a rabbit hole, and am feeling pretty bummed out. In all honesty to the point where I'm avoiding any intimacy at all because I'm not sure how well I'd do just right now...

I think it's not so much the fact that someone else is better equipped (I'm pretty aware it's all pretty average in that department, and made my peace with that a while ago!), but the 'better' bit is really bothering me. She'd previously reciprocated on the 'best ever' stuff, but clearly not. And tbh even that would probably not be the end of the world - I realise the person you marry isn't always your best ever - it's more that she'd share something like that with a friend. It just felt a bit needless, and perhaps like we weren't quite the unit I thought we were

I'm clearly not going to do anything about it - and I realise that as hurtful as it feels, I haven't covered myself in glory in terms of how I found out, but I suppose I was wondering how common it was for people to feel that way? And is it normal to share that much with girlfriends? I don't really talk to anyone about some of what I talk to my wife about (I know that probably this is more common with blokes, and general lack of opening up)

Anyway, any advice or thoughts gratefully received!

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WheekestLink · 25/04/2022 19:21

Tough one! You shouldn't have snooped so you'll either have to confess you did that (this has been done to me twice and it was sickening, I would not take it happening again, even from the father or my child) or get over your penis worries and move on.

For what it's worth, every single man I've been with (more than 10, less than 100) has told me I'm the best sex they've ever had. It's irritating and most definitely not true, I don't even do much.

C152 · 25/04/2022 19:39

It all sounds a bit of a mountain out of a molehill. I think most people would have snooped if they'd seen a message suggesting their partner shouldn't tell you something, so don't beat yourself up over it - but don't make a habit of it! And in my experience, women do share personal details with their closest friends, so I don't find it weird or inappropriate that your wife discussed you with her close friend. It's also pretty normal to tell a white lie to spare your partner's feelings (i.e. reciprocating the 'best ever' remark). Move on.

mswales · 25/04/2022 19:41

To all those saying I would never do this about my DH/someone I'm in a serious relationship with etc - I'm assuming this woman had this friend before she met her husband and the details about her ex in the bedroom were clearly well known about before. She probably would have talked about what her DH was like in bed before they got serious. So the conversation they had this week is not her revealing anything. Obviously still rather disrespectful in tone though!
There are clearly women that have these kinds of conversations and women that don't. All the close female friends I've had share absolutely everything with each other, about life, love and yes, sex. In general I've always found women go into far more detail than men do, about everything from what was said to how things made them feel and what the other person's body was like. I think the reason women go into more detail than men is because sex is so emotional for women and because women just go into much more detail on everything. My female best friend is the only person who knows absolutely everything in the world about me, good and bad.

mswales · 25/04/2022 19:44

To clarify, obviously sex isn't always emotional for women, I just mean when they're having sex with a new boyfriend or or partner, all those details are part of the whole emotional/exciting experience they are telling their friend about IYSWIM.

Batshitkerazy · 25/04/2022 20:02

Wow imagine the responses if the situation was the other way around?!

”this is your own fault for reading his messages, keep your nose out in future and make sure you have a night that’s all about him”

yeah ok 🤣

HikingforScenery · 25/04/2022 20:05

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 25/04/2022 16:21

I think you must have misread it and your wife was just talking about her ex-boyfriend's shed. Women don't think about genitalia the way that men think they do.

😂

SaySomethingMan · 25/04/2022 20:28

I used to work with someone who would describe in graphic detail (flappy tongue, etc) how awful her husband’s cunnilingus skills, specifically and general bedroom skills, were. Apparently, he’d just flap his tongue around like he was doing something and she’d to pretend to love it. I found it so disrespectful. There would be 5/6 colleagues present so we all knew this about him, even though some of us never met him. Others met with him regularly as family friends!

The only comments I’ve had from close friends are about how good their partners are.

I can’t imagine sharing such intimate details with anyone else, maybe a therapist if I really needed to but with a friend/colleague? Nah!

PacificState · 25/04/2022 20:34

I discuss sex in a fair amount of detail with one or two of my best friends. (Other friends I just know they wouldn't appreciate it so I don't.) So first off in my experience what she's doing isn't abnormal, although obviously others disagree on that.

Being disparaging about you is a slightly different thing (although again not at all that unusual in my experience). But definitely hurtful for you to read. I suspect she'd be absolutely mortified if she knew you'd read it.

I wonder whether she finds your 'the best sex ever' declarations a bit icky, rather than romantic and loving (the way you intend them)? Maybe would prefer you to be a bit more alpha? This is a complete shot in the dark - but if it's true it might explain why she picked up the phone to relay it to her mate - as a way of working off her irritation. It's quite hard to say 'please stop doing [nice thing] because it makes me fancy you less'. (Obviously that doesn't make what she did nice or honourable.)

I suspect the only way you will really exorcise this is to come clean, tell her what happened and ask if you can talk about it. You're both at fault in different ways. If it was me I'd be so mortified that I'd been found out being a silly cow that I'd probably not have the energy to be outraged at you checking my phone...

Palmfrond · 25/04/2022 20:38

What @mswales said, but I’ll diverge a bit and say that pissed heart to heart conversations can be as salty and inappropriate as you like. Sober texting on the other hand seems like a bit much, and tbh if I new my wife was comparing my sexual performance unfavourably to some guy from presumably at least 5 years ago, it would make my dick shrivel good and proper and possibly permanently, as far as she was concerned.
Best of luck OP, I hope everything works out.
PS Anybody would have snooped had they seen that message, I don’t think it’s that big of a deal.

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Marineboy67 · 25/04/2022 22:40

Unfortunately to a large extent your never going to 'unsee' those messages. I think I'd feel the same as you and it would put me off and definitely chip my confidence away.
As your painfully now aware, it's the sad reality of crossing a line.
Ignorance is definitely bliss with regard to our partners previous sexual experiences.
In a lifetime most people will have had wonderful and crap sex and everybody's body is different. Only time will enable you to get past this or maybe the realisation that you can't go forward with your relationship.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 25/04/2022 22:56

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Except a number of women have said they do speak like this to female friends.

I'm not one of them but it's clear it's not a 'never happens' scenario.

Oopsiedaisyy · 25/04/2022 23:00

I have had conversations about a guy I'm seeing size and ability with friends, and them with me. Currently have a fwb who has frankly raised the bar in a way I'm afraid I will never better... But I digress.

I didn't when I was married though, perhaps because it was pretty dire. And I think in a deeply emotionally connected relationship I'd be less likely to share the details, and not negatively compare them against an ex.

Maybe it's an age or maturity thing?

AuthorAccount · 25/04/2022 23:02

This is exactly what I’d write if I was taking the piss out of an ex boyfriend with a minuscule penis and no understanding of good sex. It sounds so sarcastic. Certainly doesn’t seem authentic.

AusFrosty · 26/04/2022 00:00

In the event this post is real…

  1. the message would have piqued most people’s curiosity so I wouldn’t call this heavy duty snooping.

  2. I would be hurt - it’s disloyal at best - to add the classic Mumsnet line - if the genders were reversed, Mumsnet would be baying for divorce

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 26/04/2022 00:04

Loads of women talk like that, I love the way certain posters can categorically state that no woman talks l

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 26/04/2022 00:05

**like that EVER .

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 26/04/2022 00:14

I know plenty of women who talk like this!

I doubt anyone would feel great if they found out their husband had been comparing them to an ex in this way

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Hrpuffnstuff1 · 26/04/2022 10:09

Curiosity killed the cat, however, privacy isn't to be abused by the other.
Intimate partner details should be kept private IMHO.
She isn't guarding the relationship, she's over-sharing, and behaving in an untrustworthy manner.

I wouldn't look too much into what's been said, it's all relative, and you have no idea what the other guy thinks. In her head he's OMG in his head he might be OH NO.😂
DP and I had this conversation initiated by her, I played along and answered truthfully with no tact. No good comes of it.😂

Hrpuffnstuff1 · 26/04/2022 10:09

Curiosity killed the cat, however, privacy isn't to be abused by the other.
Intimate partner details should be kept private IMHO.
She isn't guarding the relationship, she's over-sharing, and behaving in an untrustworthy manner.

I wouldn't look too much into what's been said, it's all relative, and you have no idea what the other guy thinks. In her head he's OMG in his head he might be OH NO.😂
DP and I had this conversation initiated by her, I played along and answered truthfully with no tact. No good comes of it.😂

Hrpuffnstuff1 · 26/04/2022 10:09

Curiosity killed the cat, however, privacy isn't to be abused by the other.
Intimate partner details should be kept private IMHO.
She isn't guarding the relationship, she's over-sharing, and behaving in an untrustworthy manner.

I wouldn't look too much into what's been said, it's all relative, and you have no idea what the other guy thinks. In her head he's OMG in his head he might be OH NO.😂
DP and I had this conversation initiated by her, I played along and answered truthfully with no tact. No good comes of it.😂

Catlover1970 · 26/04/2022 14:18

Sorry but you totally invaded your wifes privacy. Maybe they had a private joke about Mr Golden Cock years ago and just embellished the story a bit - private joke. You need to learn from this as there was no way you should ever have read that piece of information. We all have a past and that is where is should stay! BTW Big doesnt necessarily mean better sex
BTW - I cant even remember previous lovers

Hoppinggreen · 26/04/2022 14:22

Shmithecat2 · 25/04/2022 17:02

Odd convo for her and her friend to have. I've never once rated sex partners with my BFF Hmm

Sounds like the kind of thing men think women do