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Life in tatters - menopause and it’s consequences

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Namechanger250 · 21/04/2022 17:12

Hi,

Name changed for this but please don’t beat me with a stick. I know that I have been an idiot and handled things completely wrong and am left with a life in tatters.

I had, what some would perceive as, the perfect life. A good job, a nice husband, two lovely/intelligent kids, nice holidays, a nice house owned outright, plenty of money etc. However, underneath, I was unhappy. To be perfectly frank, I was unhappy in my marriage. It was just like a friendship and I knew, and had probably known since day one, that I wasn’t attracted to my husband. He was my first. He was also quite a bit older than me (>10 years). I had been very shy as a teen girl/young woman and had spent my evenings/weekends studying so that I could get a good job and get a better life than I’d had as a child. My parents split up when I was 8 years old and I was moved away (one day after being told my mother was ‘leaving’ my dad) from the family home to a 2 bedroomed council house. My elder siblings were quite a bit older than me and had already left home.
My mother didn’t work (severe asthmatic) and also didn’t meet anyone else. She was 48 when we left - always seemed older to me. We didn’t have much and I never went anywhere outside my home town (pretty boring place and I left as soon as I grew up). We went on a couple of day bus trips each year - to the seaside - and that was it. I never saw my father again and found out he’d passed away at the age of 64 (when I was 24). So, I hadn’t had a male figure around growing up. My older brothers married and had families of their own and didn’t really bother with me. Big age gap between us.
Anyway, like I said, I was determined to do better for myself than my mother did. As a consequence, I didn’t socialise as much as I should’ve done when younger. I did well. BSc then MSc and straight into my profession and rose to senior management level. Obviously, money was never an issue for me.
I had taken a year out from university to gain some work experience in the area I wanted to be in and I met my husband during this year. I’d always had the feeling I was going to be left on the shelf (even though I was attractive and only 21/22). We got on ok and he took me places in his car - places I had never seen - and took me abroad for the first time (Europe, USA and Canada). I loved it. He was 33 and living at home with his parents and hadn’t had girlfriends (no red flag raised). He was in a dead end job and had failed his degree at university years earlier - never made any attempt to resit his exams or try something else. Anyway, he asked me to marry him (in an awkward situation that sort of pushed me into saying yes) and that was that. His mother and father (both now RIP) were delighted and I was snowballed into marriage. We married when I was 25 in a register office as I didn’t want a church wedding (looking back, I’m now 50, I realise how young and inexperienced I was) and he was 36. I think the not wanting a church wedding was because, deep down, it didn’t feel right. I was an idiot but felt under pressure to marry as all of my friends had.

We travelled a bit more and bought our first house. His mother passed away after suffering years with heart problems. Our sex life was crap. I knew I was passionate but had never had the chance to express it. One, because I knew, deep down, I wasn’t sexually attracted to him and, two, he was very cold emotionally/sexually. He was never the virile/horny type - in some ways this was good as I knew he was unlikely to cheat or anything but it was also bad as it meant we were never sexually compatible. He never touched me (foreplay) and wouldn’t kiss as he ‘couldn’t breathe‘! I often thought he wasn’t a sexual man. When I hit 30 the biological clock started ticking. We had two children but both conceived by IUI as we just weren’t able to conceive naturally even though all tests came back clear. I now think sexual incompatibility may have played a part. Years went by and I physically couldn’t go near him as he was poor at it, not attractive and I just couldn’t! Our marriage became sexless. For years and years.
I started to realise that there were other things making me unhappy. I carried him. A lot. Both with running the house, looking after the kids and providing the money. I work in a stressful role and rose through the ranks whereas he stayed at the same level and on the same salary. I felt like a doormat in some ways. He was emotionally cold. Never complimented me (other men do) and etc.
I had accepted that this was my life and got in with it. I spent a lot of time with my mum (RIP 2015) inbetween working and raising the kids. I did work part time for ten years
but returned full time just after my mum’s passing. My mother had been a difficult woman. I coped though but always felt a bit like there was no happiness in my life. She was diagnosed with terminal bowel cancer a year before she died.

Two years after my mother’s death - at the age of 45 - my periods stopped suddenly and never returned. A few months later I started to feel odd. Very frustrated, short fused but extremely horny!! I had no idea at the time it was menopause and had put my lack of periods down to my working life. I had, at this time, lived in a sexless marriage and had slept alone in another room for years and years (sexless for over a decade). I have no idea what the hell I did next but, I ended up chatting online to another man. I know you will not like what I did next but, looking back, I realised that I was living in a dead/cold marriage of ‘convenience’ and had a gap the size of the Grand Canyon in my life. I was a people pleaser and had lived my life looking after and pleasing others rather than myself.
Well, this other man was also married and also living in a sexless marriage. No kids. Similar situation - he was married to an older woman etc. We got on well, very well. And of course both of us ended up sexual in the end but he always insisted he never wanted to meet. Like a fool, I fell for him in time and we did meet - again and again (he lives over 200 miles away so it hasn’t been that often) and well, yes, we did and, yes, it was amazing always. Always amazing to be with him even in a cafe. We just got on so well. He always felt guilty and tried to stop it but it kept happening. I was an idiot. I started to look at my marriage and why I felt the way I did and it became obvious. I was neglected as a woman and a wife. I had lived with a man who had never even complimented me, put his arm around me, hugged me or told me he’d loved me. The OM was the opposite!! When he took hold of my hand I almost melted into the ground. I had never felt like this before. He said he often got carried away with me and, after 5 years of ‘friendship’ he put a stop to it so we never meet again after a steamy night in a hotel room. I had already ended my marriage at the end of 2020 btw as I knew I had crossed the line and I had started to realise why. He was giving me what I so very much desired and I had/have strong feelings for him. However, he won’t leave his wife. He has made that clear and I feel stupid and used after so many phone calls (hours long) and Skype chats. He provided support my husband never did in all areas of my life. He has a tendency to come back but I know this has to stop. We have tried to be just friends but it is impossible due to the high sexual chemistry between us. I know I need to move on.

However, my life now lies in tatters. I quit my job and moved into another area thinking it would solve everything. I have lost my career/profession. I am on more
money but have awful staff (needy/bullying) to deal with and a very stressful role. It isn’t my background so I am extremely unhappy. The youngest child lives with me so I am unable to return to my profession as it would mean moving away from her father. He moved out and lives across town. I am also still battling through divorce proceedings as he is offering a 70/30 split in his favour. My eldest child has really taken it badly. He lives with his father although he is away with me at present. He says I have picked a horrible time for him (A-levels) to divorce and he is blaming me for everything. I wanted to end the marriage years ago but didn’t as there was never a right time.

I am so unhappy right now. Alone in the evenings (youngest in her room) and nobody there for me. I feel under immense pressure to pay bills now and keep this job going. I have someone at work who is after my job so is trying to belittle me so that I leave. I have to sell the family home and give him his share meaning I need a mortgage till 67 leaving me with little disposable income and a worse lifestyle than I have ever had. I feel bitter at the relationship I could’ve had but never did and bitter at what I am losing even though I was the one who worked hard (doing courses) to get a better salary.
I know a lot a people on here will beat me with a stick but I truly can’t believe how I got here! Menopause changed me and made me go through all sorts of shit (at times I was suicidal)! I didn’t go on HRT and seem to be through the worst of it now but I feel very, very different to what I did 5 years ago.
How did this happen and what the heck can I do??

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Namechanger250 · 21/04/2022 17:22

PS. The OM and I became very good friends but it always got sexual. He stopped it all and has told me to get on with my life. Obviously, I will miss him a lot as he filled a hole in my life. However, my life is now a mess!

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MrsSchrute · 21/04/2022 17:39

Well, there's not really a lot you can do. Keep going through with the divorce, try to get a fair settlement, deal with the fallout from the children, and keep going.

You had a really bad and dysfunctional marriage, but you ended it in the worst way possible! You need to take responsibility for what you did, and stop looking for other things to blame. Yes, your marriage sucked, yes the menopause is hell, but you made the decision to actively seek out the OM. Own it. And don't contact him again.

I would also suggest seeking out some therapy to help you through until life is more settled.

CorsicaDreaming · 21/04/2022 17:50

I'm not sure there's much positive to be said.

It does sound like the issues are much more deeply routed than the menopause and some psychoanalytic psychotherapy - or similar that focuses right back to childhood issues - could help you make sense of it all.

But it does sound like rather a mess tbh. And fairly terrible timing for your son during his A levels, apart from anything else.

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 21/04/2022 18:06

So sorry to hear about everything you have been through. So many young women marry older men they shouldn't just like you (Princess Diana, Jemina Goldsmith).

I think that you should try and look for another job as your current job is causing you too much stress with everything else you have going on. I know that is easier said than done, but I think it would help your mental health.

Catgotyourbrain · 21/04/2022 18:20

OP is there a reason you haven’t tried HRT? Have a look on the menopause boards.. lots of medical professionals now think it’s worth taking just for the benefits to bone density even with no symptoms. If it can help you feel more human worth a try? Also re: menopause - I think you should own it! You have been given some insight that life is short and an unhappy marriage isn’t something to grin and bear. Too late to worry about how you did it now, except for understanding the drive behind it. You are allowed to leave. No need to be sorry for that.

Namechanger250 · 21/04/2022 18:43

I did actually file for divorce before A-levels started but things have just dragged on and on.
My GP didn’t think it was menopause at the start and it was only after seeing things in TV about what some women go through did I suddenly realise that it was menopause. We both just thought it was my working hours (nightshifts mixed with day/late shifts) so my job got the blame. Now I feel like crap as I have given up a career that I loved as well as all the other mess.
I feel like I have been shaken up and put down feeling dazed. I definitely do not want to go back to my marriage as my eyes have been opened. I would never have sought out other male companionship. Again, hormones were crazy but I started to realise how lonely I was in marriage. I’d also lost my mother. My friends were colleagues from the job I’d left and I realised I didn’t have any older women in my life who could have, perhaps, guided me. There was nothing in menopause education about a sex surge! I still feel more sexual but not as bad as before but I think it’s been an awakening.
My mother had cancer (had had breast cancer cells detected ten years previously - opted for double mastectomy) so the GP wasn’t keen to give me HRT.
I feel lost!

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needmorethanthis · 21/04/2022 19:07

It’s still worth going onto HRT and getting all your levels checked like testosterone. What things do you do for you? A regular/daily exercise regime is vital during menopause. Yoga plus weight bearing plus no booze/bread/junk food. Do you swim? Try cold water swimming. Menopause changes you so you have to embrace it and kick things up a gear. When you feel like crap you go to the gym and crack out 10 lengths in the outdoor pool. This will help you cope.

Namechanger250 · 21/04/2022 19:39

I go swimming when I can but, as I have the youngest child (13), I don’t like leaving her alone after school and she won’t come with me. She also won’t go to her dad’s much and he works shifts anyway.
My job isn’t what I want and I feel under pressure doing it (high workload with staff always moaning - it’s a very toxic place) but it’s close to home and the hours are good which I need right now! My old job was working any hours/any day and I struggled with 13 hour nights once the menopause kicked in. Plus, I worked a lot of weekends and often only had one day off a week. Even though I loved the job, the hours changed dramatically in the 16 years I was there and it wasn’t suitable for a mother and certainly not one on the brink of menopause. I wasn’t sleeping well at all and was so run down. I had to make a decision. I still wake a lot so know I can no longer work a job that involves working nightshifts - even though the actual job I am passionate about.

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Namechanger250 · 21/04/2022 19:39

I don’t drink alcohol at all.
Diet is ok although sometimes eat too much chocolate!

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Namechanger250 · 21/04/2022 19:41

I walk a lot in the countryside and cycle a bit. I found that I needed to escape to the countryside a lot in the early days of menopause (even though I didn’t realise it was menopause at the time) and would often sit in the car with a travel mug of tea for hours as I couldn’t stand being at home. Anxiety and feeling overwhelmed totally got to me.

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CordeliaLOVEScocktails · 21/04/2022 21:46

Even though you had an affair their is no doubt you couldn't stay in the marriage. We are too vulnerable to strategy if we are not n long term sexless relationships.

I sympathise with your situation but things will settle and get better. Time need to take her place.

Hang in there, take each day as it comes and start looking after yourself.

And know this too - there is never the perfect time to divorce (or have a baby or any life changing event). You just do it when you do it.

Your son will be fine but divorce rocks everyone's world. It's the shi**iest of gifts that just keeps on giving. Until it doesn't and you know it's done.

You can then step into the sunlight and breathe the fresh air.

something2say · 22/04/2022 06:50

Hi there.

I do feel for you.

What's jumped out at me is the long history of not being your true self. That means you're like a volcano ready to go off.

I also really believe that lack of sex creates a perfect breeding ground for desperate behaviour and I believe in the phrase 'the thirst soul will drink from even muddy waters.'

And yes, the truth that menopause has brought you may be factoring in, as 'you can't carry on like this.'

My advice to you now is...

Get control at work. In any way. Spread leadership, listening and love. Try your hardest with all your skills to make work easier.

And get a grip at home. With your daughter. With your sexuality. I'd be buying a nice vibrator for a start. Let yourself change. Take time out where possible to think.

And just cling on until it eases, which it will.

Do good things, that you know to be right. And spend time with your kids if they'll let you.

I'm sorry you are going through this but life has a way of clicking forward so we get it right. Yours has been clumsy, but you've done it. Get a grip of it now x and when someone comes along who you can have great sex with, enjoy it. And always keep an eye on your own safety regarding houses and money. X

KangarooKenny · 22/04/2022 07:07

Firstly, pop over to the menopause board and ask about your DM’s breast cancer. I’m fairly sure it’s not a barrier to you having HRT.
Secondly, I can’t see why you’re not getting 50% of your home ? Just leave it in the hands of your solicitor and fight for every penny you’re due.
Thirdly, forget about the old job. You need a job that suits you now, and heading towards older age. Either make the best of this one, or look for something more suitable.
I understand how you feel, having this menopause wobble, and I don’t judge. Just work on getting the divorce done, so you can move forward. Looking back and beating yourself up won’t help. Look forward.

EthicalNonMahogany · 22/04/2022 07:07

I really like the previous post. I think you have everything to play for OP. You've got rid of the bad husband, the toxic mother, your children are a little destabilised now but will be ok if you focus on an authentic relationship with them. And you've known real passion with a man who can give that to you. Your work is hard right now but when you feel better and more confident you'll sort that too.

So...your life starts here! Don't be old before your time. I'm in my 50s and still menopausal but have lots of lovers and hobbies and interests and a fulfilling job. You're closer to these things now than you have ever been.

Also recommend therapy it's the best money you will spend.

cansu · 22/04/2022 07:19

I think you sound like most women who are going through a divorce. You have come up against the change in lifestyle and the inevitable shit that comes with separation. I think the menopause is probably incidental really. You just have to ride out this period until you are divorced and can make plans for the future.

GandTfortea · 22/04/2022 07:39

You deserved that love and passion from the OM ..lord knows you went without any for most of your life
lack of a father in your life ,has all sorts of ramifications,one being you married someone as emotionally unavailable as your father ..your father could of sought you out for a relationship,it wasn’t all your responsibility to ensure you had one with him..of course him diying when you were 24 ,must of had some effect on you to.
i actually think you have done the right thing …the OM responsibility to his wife lies with him…you owe your DH nothing,he’s blead you dry emotionally and financially for years.
im glad you had some happiness with OM ,now you know how a relationship can be ,you know not to settle for second best next time .
you could look for another job ,something similar but away from the bullies in your current work place .
as for your dc saying you ruined their Alevels…no ..they are nearly adults ,and not blind ..they would of seen how unhappy you were ..,fight that dh for a fair split ,70/ 30 in his favour is horrendous,can’t see a judge agreeing to that ..well I hope not anyway ,but if he’s been a SAHD he might get it ..
good luck moving forward,you have your freedom now .be happy

INeedNewShoes · 22/04/2022 07:55

I can see why the whole situation feels overwhelming. There are some things within your control even if it doesn’t seem like it. Start by taking control where you can.

You need a good solicitor to ensure that you don’t lose out financially any more than you absolutely have to.

Either use your skills at work to improve the work environment or get another job, even if it means earning a bit less and not using all your qualifications. A nasty work environment is very wearing and appealing for mental health.

I’d also acknowledge to my son that the timing is shit for him and that you recognise he is at a key stage in his life and apologise genuinely for that.

Namechanger250 · 22/04/2022 07:59

I do think the menopause was the catalyst to everything though as I remember starting to feel very strange after a few months of no periods. I wasn’t like your typical menopausal woman who would skip a period, start again then skip - mine just stopped suddenly, like someone turning off a tap! I’d started working a few nightshifts each month (not my choice but forced on us by our employer) a few months previous to my periods stopping and I honestly thought it was the erratic body clock that was causing it but, since leaving the job and working a 9-5 ish role, my periods never returned. I think it was only when I started having hot flushes (which, thankfully, only lasted a few months) did the word menopause pop into my head. My husband was totally unsupportive which fuelled my need to be away from him.
I had always known that my marriage didn’t make me happy and knew I was unable to go near my husband sexually but, on taking stock of the situation after I had got involved with someone else, I realised that I had been do deprived and neglected in that area due to him not being a tactile/living person. For example, he’d never held my hand in or outdoors, he’d never verbally told me that he loved me…stuff like that. The other man was the opposite and it was very clear we could talk for England to each other as well as the high sexual chemistry. My feelings towards my marriage changed. The first year, after my periods stopped, was truly awful. I felt like a completely different person. I couldn’t stand people around me at times and even being in a shopping centre would make me feel anxious and I had to leave - immediately. I started avoiding places and would head for a quiet spot in the countryside and feel calm listening to the stream of the sound of the birds. At the same time as all of this I became very horny which was totally unlike me. Even wearing clothes that highlighted my figure!!! And flirting but this man really got to me. I really started to look at my life/marriage and knew how I’d got into this state and it should never have got as bad as it did. Yes, it was a sexless marriage but I also started to realise he hadn’t been a loving husband - more like a brother - and there was no spark there! We were different as people. The last time we went for a meal, at a local pub, he sat there and never said a word. That was it for me! I’d taken my wedding ring off two years before I filed for divorce and he never noticed! He still can’t see why I ended the marriage!!! I was missing something in my life. I would never go back to him, especially now, as it would be so fake and I would feel anxious etc.

My new job is tough but it pays well and the hours are a lot better. We work flexitime too so that comes in very handy. I know that I need to settle down and stop wanting to change jobs all the time - again, I think menopause triggered this (I had been happy in my job for 16 years) and I felt unsettled and frustrated.
Thank you for your advice. It means a lot. I just feel like absolute shit right now. Missing the OM like crazy as we were friends too but I need to accept his decision that he doesn’t want to live his life like that and wants us to both move on.

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Namechanger250 · 22/04/2022 07:59

I’m also thinking of changing solicitor!

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Namechanger250 · 22/04/2022 08:04

The 70/30 split is because some assets (that he inherited) have been ring fenced by his solicitor

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KangarooKenny · 22/04/2022 08:04

I think unsettled and frustrated are symptoms of the menopause.
You can see that you’re getting older, that the end is in sight, so you want to live your best life. And it wasn’t your best life, so you’re making the change.
Teenagers are selfish, so they will be concerned about how this will affect them. It’s normal, and they get over it.

ParisNoir · 22/04/2022 08:05

Firstly, I wouldnt rely on a GP for menopause/HRT advice. I booked a private consultation with a biodentical hormone specialist- someone who is expert in their field. They told me that actually- its to balance hormones and if you are estrogen dominant for example, NOT taking progesterone to balance it out can actually put you more at risk of female cancers. Alcohol consumption actually puts more people at risk of developing hormone related cancers and yet funnily enough- more people scream about the dangers of HRT than they do about a daily glass of wine. Funny that.

With regard to your personal life, I think you need to talk to someone objective like a relationship counsellor- it sounds like you have had a marriage full of emotional neglect and I think before you move on to another relationship you need to process what happened in your marriage first. Good luck!

KangarooKenny · 22/04/2022 08:06

30% seems poor for a long marriage though.
Did you take time out when you had the kids, missing out on wages and pension ?
Are you claiming child benefit in your name, and your account ?

Namechanger250 · 22/04/2022 08:08

The OM made me feel amazing. Just talking to him was amazing. He clearly was very fond of me and admitted feelings were there (and, he repeatedly got back in touch) but it’s very obvious he feels great guilt and I feel bad for that. There is obviously something in his marriage that is keeping him there. I know I can’t just be friends with his as I know how passionate/affectionate he is and I have never had that.
It is so difficult 😞.
I have tried OLD but not getting anywhere as the spark doesn’t fly with me very often and I’m fussy now. I really think I’ll be alone forever now.

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Namechanger250 · 22/04/2022 08:10

I was part time (2.5 days a week) for 12 years. I only get child benefit for the youngest child. He gets it for the eldest. I haven’t claimed child maintenance as he e we can’t afford it and I am living in the mortgage free family home until I can put it on the market.

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