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Life in tatters - menopause and it’s consequences

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Namechanger250 · 21/04/2022 17:12

Hi,

Name changed for this but please don’t beat me with a stick. I know that I have been an idiot and handled things completely wrong and am left with a life in tatters.

I had, what some would perceive as, the perfect life. A good job, a nice husband, two lovely/intelligent kids, nice holidays, a nice house owned outright, plenty of money etc. However, underneath, I was unhappy. To be perfectly frank, I was unhappy in my marriage. It was just like a friendship and I knew, and had probably known since day one, that I wasn’t attracted to my husband. He was my first. He was also quite a bit older than me (>10 years). I had been very shy as a teen girl/young woman and had spent my evenings/weekends studying so that I could get a good job and get a better life than I’d had as a child. My parents split up when I was 8 years old and I was moved away (one day after being told my mother was ‘leaving’ my dad) from the family home to a 2 bedroomed council house. My elder siblings were quite a bit older than me and had already left home.
My mother didn’t work (severe asthmatic) and also didn’t meet anyone else. She was 48 when we left - always seemed older to me. We didn’t have much and I never went anywhere outside my home town (pretty boring place and I left as soon as I grew up). We went on a couple of day bus trips each year - to the seaside - and that was it. I never saw my father again and found out he’d passed away at the age of 64 (when I was 24). So, I hadn’t had a male figure around growing up. My older brothers married and had families of their own and didn’t really bother with me. Big age gap between us.
Anyway, like I said, I was determined to do better for myself than my mother did. As a consequence, I didn’t socialise as much as I should’ve done when younger. I did well. BSc then MSc and straight into my profession and rose to senior management level. Obviously, money was never an issue for me.
I had taken a year out from university to gain some work experience in the area I wanted to be in and I met my husband during this year. I’d always had the feeling I was going to be left on the shelf (even though I was attractive and only 21/22). We got on ok and he took me places in his car - places I had never seen - and took me abroad for the first time (Europe, USA and Canada). I loved it. He was 33 and living at home with his parents and hadn’t had girlfriends (no red flag raised). He was in a dead end job and had failed his degree at university years earlier - never made any attempt to resit his exams or try something else. Anyway, he asked me to marry him (in an awkward situation that sort of pushed me into saying yes) and that was that. His mother and father (both now RIP) were delighted and I was snowballed into marriage. We married when I was 25 in a register office as I didn’t want a church wedding (looking back, I’m now 50, I realise how young and inexperienced I was) and he was 36. I think the not wanting a church wedding was because, deep down, it didn’t feel right. I was an idiot but felt under pressure to marry as all of my friends had.

We travelled a bit more and bought our first house. His mother passed away after suffering years with heart problems. Our sex life was crap. I knew I was passionate but had never had the chance to express it. One, because I knew, deep down, I wasn’t sexually attracted to him and, two, he was very cold emotionally/sexually. He was never the virile/horny type - in some ways this was good as I knew he was unlikely to cheat or anything but it was also bad as it meant we were never sexually compatible. He never touched me (foreplay) and wouldn’t kiss as he ‘couldn’t breathe‘! I often thought he wasn’t a sexual man. When I hit 30 the biological clock started ticking. We had two children but both conceived by IUI as we just weren’t able to conceive naturally even though all tests came back clear. I now think sexual incompatibility may have played a part. Years went by and I physically couldn’t go near him as he was poor at it, not attractive and I just couldn’t! Our marriage became sexless. For years and years.
I started to realise that there were other things making me unhappy. I carried him. A lot. Both with running the house, looking after the kids and providing the money. I work in a stressful role and rose through the ranks whereas he stayed at the same level and on the same salary. I felt like a doormat in some ways. He was emotionally cold. Never complimented me (other men do) and etc.
I had accepted that this was my life and got in with it. I spent a lot of time with my mum (RIP 2015) inbetween working and raising the kids. I did work part time for ten years
but returned full time just after my mum’s passing. My mother had been a difficult woman. I coped though but always felt a bit like there was no happiness in my life. She was diagnosed with terminal bowel cancer a year before she died.

Two years after my mother’s death - at the age of 45 - my periods stopped suddenly and never returned. A few months later I started to feel odd. Very frustrated, short fused but extremely horny!! I had no idea at the time it was menopause and had put my lack of periods down to my working life. I had, at this time, lived in a sexless marriage and had slept alone in another room for years and years (sexless for over a decade). I have no idea what the hell I did next but, I ended up chatting online to another man. I know you will not like what I did next but, looking back, I realised that I was living in a dead/cold marriage of ‘convenience’ and had a gap the size of the Grand Canyon in my life. I was a people pleaser and had lived my life looking after and pleasing others rather than myself.
Well, this other man was also married and also living in a sexless marriage. No kids. Similar situation - he was married to an older woman etc. We got on well, very well. And of course both of us ended up sexual in the end but he always insisted he never wanted to meet. Like a fool, I fell for him in time and we did meet - again and again (he lives over 200 miles away so it hasn’t been that often) and well, yes, we did and, yes, it was amazing always. Always amazing to be with him even in a cafe. We just got on so well. He always felt guilty and tried to stop it but it kept happening. I was an idiot. I started to look at my marriage and why I felt the way I did and it became obvious. I was neglected as a woman and a wife. I had lived with a man who had never even complimented me, put his arm around me, hugged me or told me he’d loved me. The OM was the opposite!! When he took hold of my hand I almost melted into the ground. I had never felt like this before. He said he often got carried away with me and, after 5 years of ‘friendship’ he put a stop to it so we never meet again after a steamy night in a hotel room. I had already ended my marriage at the end of 2020 btw as I knew I had crossed the line and I had started to realise why. He was giving me what I so very much desired and I had/have strong feelings for him. However, he won’t leave his wife. He has made that clear and I feel stupid and used after so many phone calls (hours long) and Skype chats. He provided support my husband never did in all areas of my life. He has a tendency to come back but I know this has to stop. We have tried to be just friends but it is impossible due to the high sexual chemistry between us. I know I need to move on.

However, my life now lies in tatters. I quit my job and moved into another area thinking it would solve everything. I have lost my career/profession. I am on more
money but have awful staff (needy/bullying) to deal with and a very stressful role. It isn’t my background so I am extremely unhappy. The youngest child lives with me so I am unable to return to my profession as it would mean moving away from her father. He moved out and lives across town. I am also still battling through divorce proceedings as he is offering a 70/30 split in his favour. My eldest child has really taken it badly. He lives with his father although he is away with me at present. He says I have picked a horrible time for him (A-levels) to divorce and he is blaming me for everything. I wanted to end the marriage years ago but didn’t as there was never a right time.

I am so unhappy right now. Alone in the evenings (youngest in her room) and nobody there for me. I feel under immense pressure to pay bills now and keep this job going. I have someone at work who is after my job so is trying to belittle me so that I leave. I have to sell the family home and give him his share meaning I need a mortgage till 67 leaving me with little disposable income and a worse lifestyle than I have ever had. I feel bitter at the relationship I could’ve had but never did and bitter at what I am losing even though I was the one who worked hard (doing courses) to get a better salary.
I know a lot a people on here will beat me with a stick but I truly can’t believe how I got here! Menopause changed me and made me go through all sorts of shit (at times I was suicidal)! I didn’t go on HRT and seem to be through the worst of it now but I feel very, very different to what I did 5 years ago.
How did this happen and what the heck can I do??

OP posts:
KangarooKenny · 22/04/2022 08:12

Make sure your solicitor knows about going P/T for the family, and missing out on wage/pension. That will go into your claim.

comfortablyfrumpy · 22/04/2022 08:18

Namechanger250 · 22/04/2022 08:04

The 70/30 split is because some assets (that he inherited) have been ring fenced by his solicitor

The solicitor may well have done so, but that doesn't mean a Court would. Have you got a solicitor?

Divorce is bloody tough, and draining, and with menopause on top it's worse (been there). You will be OK though, just keep battling!

LadyCordeliaFitzgerald · 22/04/2022 08:21

This is where you are now OP. The only way is forward. You’re smack bang in the middle of transition and change is always difficult. Hang in there.

One thing that comes across very strongly is that you have spent your life with an image of an ideal weighing you down. You need to figure out what’s important to you, and what your values are and let those things be your compass not what’s socially acceptable, or some kind of formula if perceived success.

Please seek out advice from a menopause specialist. GPs are notoriously ill informed.

good luck.

GrumpyTerrier · 22/04/2022 08:23

Things are tough now but it was the right decision to divorce. You can't put your life on hold forever. Things will settle down eventually. The affair showed you what you could have-- not with that guy, but with another available one in the future. Just ride out this bad patch, I am confident that a better life is round the corner for you.

stripeyflowers · 22/04/2022 08:40

KangarooKenny · 22/04/2022 07:07

Firstly, pop over to the menopause board and ask about your DM’s breast cancer. I’m fairly sure it’s not a barrier to you having HRT.
Secondly, I can’t see why you’re not getting 50% of your home ? Just leave it in the hands of your solicitor and fight for every penny you’re due.
Thirdly, forget about the old job. You need a job that suits you now, and heading towards older age. Either make the best of this one, or look for something more suitable.
I understand how you feel, having this menopause wobble, and I don’t judge. Just work on getting the divorce done, so you can move forward. Looking back and beating yourself up won’t help. Look forward.

I'm with this.

Most of us make choices in life believing we are doing the best thing. Often it includes deliberately striving to avoid mistakes made by our parents. Whether they pay off as the right decisions in later life, we don't know until we get there. Luck plays a part. Only when you're older and suffering or benefiting from your own best choices can you appreciate this.

You have proved you are a passionate women who can feel happy with a man - he isn't the only man in the world. Your very best years could be ahead of you. As for the HRT - I was having hot flushes all the time so forced to go on it or never leave the house but I am so glad I did. It has made a difference. Flowers

Namechanger250 · 22/04/2022 08:56

comfortablyfrumpy · 22/04/2022 08:18

The solicitor may well have done so, but that doesn't mean a Court would. Have you got a solicitor?

Divorce is bloody tough, and draining, and with menopause on top it's worse (been there). You will be OK though, just keep battling!

Yes, I have a solicitor and they are sorting out a fair claim although I get the feeling that his solicitor is better than mine. I don’t want to see him struggling but I don’t want to be left struggling either. He paid AVC’s into his pension throughout our marriage whereas my salary/pension was reduced through 12 years of working part time. It means not only will I be worse off now but also in retirement (if the settlement isn’t pushed towards my favour a bit).

OP posts:
Namechanger250 · 22/04/2022 08:58

My solicitor is trying to avoid court as it’s ‘costly’ - her words.

OP posts:
comfortablyfrumpy · 22/04/2022 09:09

Namechanger250 · 22/04/2022 08:58

My solicitor is trying to avoid court as it’s ‘costly’ - her words.

It can be costly. I did it "on the cheap", self representing and using a direct access barrister.

I do wonder if it's worth seeking a second opinion on what might be deemed a fair settlement? Especially if you have less pension provision than him.

KangarooKenny · 22/04/2022 09:28

I agree to a second opinion.
And if this carries on, back and forward, that will be expensive. Court might be cheaper and get you a better cut.

worriedfriendlondon · 22/04/2022 09:41

What's done is done. Honestly who can blame you, your situation sounded unbearable. Not sure beating yourself up like this is going to achieve much, so now it's about taking action!

Firstly get rid of this OM from your life. Go no contact. Block him. He sounds like a user and will never uproot his life for you. Yes it was fun but this was your first real love affair so you're seeing him through rose tinted specs. In years you will look back and think he wasn't all that.

Secondly, sort the work situation out, can you speak to HR? Or even directly to this bully. You need to stand up for yourself here. If nothing gets done then you should look to move jobs. I think once this aspect is sorted then you will feel much better.

Thirdly, you need some fun in your life!! Are there some hobbies you can reignite? Is there any health and fitness activities you enjoy? Would you feel ready to date yet? If you do date, just date for fun and sex, nothing serious, do so with guys who you're not going to catch feelings for. You deserve good sex! Who knows you may meet someone amazing along the way. You are still young!!! You could live for another 50 years.

Defo get on HRT, you may start feeling more yourself and it will give you a boost in many ways.

I would also strongly suggest you get some therapy, it's expensive but it will pay dividends I promise you.

In terms of house and legal stuff, well you just need to follow the process and get the best deal possible. You will certainly be less well off but you will be free to start again, and anyone you meet romantically will likely be in the same boat.

The relationship with your son... well he will be ok, ultimately it's up to him how much time he spends revising as long as he has the space and the resources to do so then just let him get on with it.

Good luck OP, you sound really lovely. You have lived for other people most your life, now it's time to live for you x

Totheweekend · 22/04/2022 09:50

Op you’ve done amazing to get here


  • Settlement - go for 50/50. Make your solicitor fight for you.

  • child maintenance - put in a claim

  • access - your daughter should be seeing her father and that would give you time to start to rebuild your life. To date, develop hobbies …

  • the affair - cut off contact. This relationship helped you at a difficult time, but it’s now holding you back.

  • job - that’s trickier. I think we give less fucks thanks to menopause and so it’s harder to be enthusiastic about a job. But it pays the way and provides done stability so see what you can do to address the bullying - talk to HR, they are legally bound to act if you specifically use the word ’bullying’

Go you for making the changes. It’s hard now, but life is getting better.

worriedfriendlondon · 22/04/2022 09:50

Second the poster who said spend time with kids, do quality stuff together and create a new version of your family. They need a base and a soft place to land and you can be that.

Also getting a vibrator is a great idea!!

Imtoooldforallthis · 22/04/2022 09:51

Gosh, a lot of your post echoes with me. Firstly I don't blame you for the affair, and neither should you. You need to take a step back and don't rush into anything. But saying that dont agree to anything his solicitor wants before you've had a long hard think about it. You are negotiating and his solicitor will know that this is just a starting point. Secondly you sound extremely well qualified, what sort of salary are you on? What sort of property do you live in, you may have to adhust your expectations and buy somewhere small. You must sort out your work, this is where you spend the majority of your life if you are unhappy at work then you will be unhappy at home. And lastly if your children are going to guilt trip you and blame you for everything then you may as well be happy and hope that eventually they will see the whole picture. Nobody is 100% sorted in there life, but you need at least a little peace and enjoyment in your life. Take one day at a time, do what you want whilst taking your children into consideration but don't make it all about them. Don't rush to meet someone else, this will happen in time. Good luck, there is a whole new exciting world out there.

Alcemeg · 22/04/2022 10:50

Gosh OP, I wish I could give you a big hug. Flowers
Some PPs have been pretty hard on you. I love what @something2say wrote, especially the bit about the thirsty soul drinking from muddy waters. Yes!

You've had so little love in your life that you seized it gratefully with both hands when you finally got a glimpse of it.

Now you're in a horrible spot, but it's not your fault. And you seem to be surrounded by people who are only thinking of themselves.

You've achieved such a lot! I was reading through your story expecting you to still be stuck in the ghastly marriage, but you mentioned ending it, almost as an aside. Well, GIVE YOURSELF A BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR THAT! What an achievement to have escaped a whole lifetime of such coldness.

So here you are, still shivering in the cold, and OM has so far been your only source of warmth. No wonder you miss him terribly.

My own first marriage was similar to yours, against a rather similar background. I completely understand your excitement and wonder at finally entering a bright new world of connection. The trouble is that we are effectively living our lives backwards, enjoying all the stuff we should really have done when we were teenagers/young adults. Which is great, but can leave us very vulnerable. We are so grateful for so little!

You're so busy carrying everyone else that it must feel hard to make time for yourself, but you must find a way. I spent many years "living my life backwards" after divorce, making all kinds of mistakes, many of them costly. Then I spent a few years completely alone, having given up on relationships altogether, or at least my own ability to manage one. Now I'm married again, to a man with a big heart who loves me completely, and even after almost a decade together I still keep having moments when I realise what a difference this makes to my entire outlook on life. But I'd never have met him if I hadn't started going to music festivals, on my own, in my 50s! You need to find something you enjoy doing, and make time for it somehow. I'd be wary of online dating, given how lonely and naive you are (I don't mean that as an insult).

Re the divorce settlement, you're so used to not having anyone on your side that you've just accepted the deal. You need legal support that prioritises you more. You only get one chance at this, and it will affect how much pressure you are under for the rest of your life. I hope any readers who can recommend someone brilliant can give you some tips.

The kids aren't thinking of you. They're too young to get it. Maybe they will understand one day, maybe they won't. But make no mistake, the divorce is the best thing you ever did. Plus there is no "nice" or "right" way to end a marriage. It tends to be a horribly messy and painful business.

I wish I could wave a wand and make your life at work easier. Is there any wiggle room around your daughter seeing her father - I mean, does she have to live close to him to be able to do that? Or better still, is there any way you can go freelance doing what you're good at? It sounds as though you have real expertise in your field. I bit the bullet and went freelance, worried that I'd have trouble covering the bills, but now make at least twice what my colleagues who stayed in the job are currently earning.

unsync · 22/04/2022 11:15

Pensions - you need a pension sharing order. If his is fully paid up, but yours took a hit whilst you raised the kids etc, you shouldn't be penalised for this. Go after his pension pot, that should 'help' him refocus on the equity split. You have to be ruthless, he will be.

Marblessolveeverything · 22/04/2022 11:28

Be kind to yourself - yes you made a mistake but everyone is human. You were looking for an escape. You are nearly there and sometimes the last few hurdles are the worst.

Take it one step at a time - help/get help for the A level student, once that is over then you can see if family counselling would be of benefit. Sort out the divorce - draw a line and move forwards.

WhereWasThatFrom · 22/04/2022 12:21

You made some massive mistakes in life but what's done is done! You still have years of living to do and there is no reason you shouldn't be happy. Own the mistakes but don't think you need to punish yourself for them for ever more.

I was stunned at the effect that menopause hormones had on me, I used to think I was the mellowest most level headed person in the world but menopause made me feel anxious and like I was on a precipice. HRT worked like magic. Hopefully it's a possible choice for your despite your breast cancer situation.
You job sounds shite but you are talking like it's going to be like that forever. Things change. Maybe a new job will come up or maybe the management will change.
I've not been divorced but It's obviously a massive massive thing to go through despite the fact it's so normal. Don't beat yourself up for feeling overwhelmed for it.
BTW have you apologized for your affair to your kids?

Namechanger250 · 22/04/2022 19:16

worriedfriendlondon · 22/04/2022 09:41

What's done is done. Honestly who can blame you, your situation sounded unbearable. Not sure beating yourself up like this is going to achieve much, so now it's about taking action!

Firstly get rid of this OM from your life. Go no contact. Block him. He sounds like a user and will never uproot his life for you. Yes it was fun but this was your first real love affair so you're seeing him through rose tinted specs. In years you will look back and think he wasn't all that.

Secondly, sort the work situation out, can you speak to HR? Or even directly to this bully. You need to stand up for yourself here. If nothing gets done then you should look to move jobs. I think once this aspect is sorted then you will feel much better.

Thirdly, you need some fun in your life!! Are there some hobbies you can reignite? Is there any health and fitness activities you enjoy? Would you feel ready to date yet? If you do date, just date for fun and sex, nothing serious, do so with guys who you're not going to catch feelings for. You deserve good sex! Who knows you may meet someone amazing along the way. You are still young!!! You could live for another 50 years.

Defo get on HRT, you may start feeling more yourself and it will give you a boost in many ways.

I would also strongly suggest you get some therapy, it's expensive but it will pay dividends I promise you.

In terms of house and legal stuff, well you just need to follow the process and get the best deal possible. You will certainly be less well off but you will be free to start again, and anyone you meet romantically will likely be in the same boat.

The relationship with your son... well he will be ok, ultimately it's up to him how much time he spends revising as long as he has the space and the resources to do so then just let him get on with it.

Good luck OP, you sound really lovely. You have lived for other people most your life, now it's time to live for you x

Trouble is…I can’t have sex with someone unless feelings are there. I think, in the early days with my husband, I was just hormonally horny! I soon realised he was rubbish in the bedroom! Not that I’d had any experience to compare him against but I just knew - and now I definitely know!

I have met a couple of other men from OLD. One was a police officer and the other a primary school teacher. Obviously, I’m so hooked up on the OM that I knew a spark wouldn’t fly and it didn’t. The police officer gave me the impression he wanted sex that night and didn’t hesitate to give me a full on snog - totally caught me off guard. The other one didn’t really seem anything special. There is a 3rd who has been sending me messages for a few weeks and was/is keen to meet. I’ve just been away for a few nights but will probably make the effort to meet him. He is a very good looking man so that worries me a bit! Extremely attractive. He lives about 40 minutes away so we’ll see!

I just feel so alone! No parents, no siblings (recently my brother died) and my friends tended to be close colleagues and I’ve lost them now too! Well, don’t see them often now (don’t live that close). I have just had the kids away for a few nights down south and finding it draining at times. The eldest (18) can be immature and obnoxious at times and the youngest (14) is a typical moody teen girl! Their dad hasn’t taken any school holidays off since he left a year ago and it means I end up using all of my leave to be off with them. He works shifts and has fixed holidays! That’s another reason for our marriage breakdown! Having had no grandparents to help either has taken its toll and I feel like I haven’t lived.

My solicitor has emailed today after another £250. I pay that per hour! Not sure what she did with the £250 I paid a week ago! Not seen any movement in work.

OP posts:
Namechanger250 · 22/04/2022 19:22

As for the OM. I genuinely think he didn’t mean to hurt me but I feel he should have had more control especially when he knew my marriage was deteriorating. Obviously, looking back, my marriage was dead in the water anyway and the whole affair made me realise that. I do get bad thoughts at times and want to let his wife know (I know where she is and where they live) but, deep down, he always seemed genuine and expressed love for her so I would feel pretty bad screwing up someone else’s life. However, I feel he has screwed mine up.
I think he fancied me and, being in a sexless marriage with an older/overweight woman (and he told me a few times he wasn’t attracted to her) he saw me as something to play with although he swears he didn’t use me. He always was concerned for me and we would chat for hours and hours. I have hundreds of calls from him listed on my phone. We were good friends underneath. He said, in our last call, we are good friends but that we keep going round in circles and he can’t live like this anymore. I know he is telling the truth but the devastation he has caused to me life doesn’t seem to have sunk in with him!

OP posts:
Namechanger250 · 22/04/2022 19:25
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zafferana · 22/04/2022 19:51

There's an awful lot in your posts to unpick OP, but like some other posters I feel you're stuck in the past and it's making you miserable, keep raking over the old hurts and allowing the difficult things in your life to dominate your thinking. Honestly, I don't think it's helpful to keep blaming the OM for hurting you. It takes two to tango, you encouraged him as much as he encouraged you, and meeting him and having a passionate affair with him awakened you to all that you've been missing all these years. It sounds like meeting him was as much a catalyst for leaving your miserable, loveless, sexless marriage to a man you didn't even find attractive, as hitting the menopause. So how about your re-frame your thinking and see what you had with the OM as a force that liberated you? Because from where I'm sitting I feel he's done you a massive favour. He's shown you what a loving, passionate relationship can be, whereas before you had no idea. So rather than feeling angry and hurt and that he should've controlled himself more around an inexperienced woman whose marriage was falling apart, how about you look back on what the two of you had and see the good in it? I feel that would be a much more positive jumping off point for your recovery and moving forward with your life.

As to what you can do right now to improve things - please seek out specialist support for your menopause. You may or may not be suitable for HRT, but you won't know unless you consult a specialist practitioner. Just because there is breast cancer in your family doesn't mean a blanket 'no' for HRT, but even if it's not an option, there are others in terms of supplements and lifestyle changes that could help you. So please don't suffer in silence.

And the other thing I'd say is that when you're in hell, keep going, and know that the divorce will finally get sorted out and you will be able to move on. How long has it been going on for? Most divorces that I know of recently have taken a good couple of years, but when it's sorted out you can start to make plans for the future again. I'm sorry your 18-year-old is angry with you. My parents divorced when I was a DC and I was bloody furious with them both for ages, but that too will hopefully come to end as he grows up and realises that life is complex and adult relationships are complex and that sometimes, shit happens. Be kind to yourself Flowers

Peachteach · 22/04/2022 21:07

Hi
First time poster. I’ve been unhappy in my marriage for a while and after a bit of research I think my husband is a narcissist.
We can get along really well ( when having a drink for example) but I have experienced anxiety since we met and, after 20 years of therapy and antidepressants ( off and on) I am now thinking the problem is him. The main times of stress are when my family ( mum and brother) are involved. He is argumentative with them and me and aggressive. I get tense and anxious weeks before the event. When I addressed if before Christmas he said it would be alright and I took this as an admission of him acknowledging his changes behaviour when I’m having fun with my family and he feels threatened. When mum and auntie came over after first baby was born he took me aside and told me he was worried and stressed by their presence. I then sat in our bedroom for the rest of the evening with him and left my relatives downstairs. he caused my mum to change the time of her 70th birthday celebrations because he wanted to get back home at a time of his choosing and lately I was unable to organise a holiday with my family ( I also said I would like to invite his but he said he didn’t want that) because’that would be difficult for him’. We live where we do as it was his idea and I left a really good job to do so. I had kids because he said he wanted to and I feared loosing him at the beginning of our relationship. We only moved in together after I practically begged. And it was a time of his choosing, even though he said he wanted to live together. I have grown increasingly aware of his anger when I didn’t follow his requests eg how to discipline the children and spending money from our joint account; almost in disbelief. I challenged him on one occasion saying I wasn’t like his mum- I feel his dad is narcissistic towards his mum and perhaps he has learnt this behaviour from him.
We haven’t sex in several years and this has never been discussed. I used to ask but stopped after tiring and being embarrassed by rejection.
I thought he as depressed over the past few months but after some research believe this low mood and lack of self esteem is behind his narcissistic nature. I have also seen some impacts on me of my upbringing. My emotional needs weren’t met and was brought up in a religious environment so know that I didn’t have the skills or confidence to realise his ways earlier, and was also susceptible to putting up with his ways by being a people pleaser.

If we didn’t have children I would leave but am terrified about the effect this would have on the kids. I also have no experience of anyone close divorcing and it seems MASSIVE. But I feel like this is a breakthrough in my understanding of him, me and our relationship. And would like to experience a better relationship before it’s too late- I’ve just turned 50. I’ve found it difficult putting my 20 year relationship into words but know you will have some wise words of help and support.

Peachteach · 22/04/2022 21:09

Sorry. I’ve posted this in someone else’s thread-duh! Hang on; I’ll try and move it

Peachteach · 22/04/2022 21:17

Have now moved this onto the 'relationships' thread. Apologies again 🧥

Alcemeg · 22/04/2022 21:33

Namechanger250 · 22/04/2022 19:22

As for the OM. I genuinely think he didn’t mean to hurt me but I feel he should have had more control especially when he knew my marriage was deteriorating. Obviously, looking back, my marriage was dead in the water anyway and the whole affair made me realise that. I do get bad thoughts at times and want to let his wife know (I know where she is and where they live) but, deep down, he always seemed genuine and expressed love for her so I would feel pretty bad screwing up someone else’s life. However, I feel he has screwed mine up.
I think he fancied me and, being in a sexless marriage with an older/overweight woman (and he told me a few times he wasn’t attracted to her) he saw me as something to play with although he swears he didn’t use me. He always was concerned for me and we would chat for hours and hours. I have hundreds of calls from him listed on my phone. We were good friends underneath. He said, in our last call, we are good friends but that we keep going round in circles and he can’t live like this anymore. I know he is telling the truth but the devastation he has caused to me life doesn’t seem to have sunk in with him!

Oh, just stop with this nonsense! Stop blaming him for the state of your marriage, for the state of his marriage. You used each other for what you each needed. Fair play. End of story.