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I wish my mum was normal

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Disneydatknee88 · 19/03/2022 22:13

I wish my mum was normal. I know that sounds horrible but she has a lot of mental health problems. We were constantly treading on eggshells growing up as to not upset mum. Her feelings trumped everyone else's.

I had my mum to visit this weekend. We have just moved to Wales and I've been so looking forward to having her here to show her around and have her spend time with me and the grandkids. We have had a lovely time. I gave her the grand tour yesterday. We had a pamper evening. Face packs and chit chat in front of the telly. I took her out with the kids today. To the beach and then a lovely country park. Its been gorgeous sunshine. I thought we were having a lovely time but when we got home she flounced off.

We didn't have any plans this evening. I invited her back to ours for dinner and then she was due to go back to the hotel later on as she does like her own space and wanted to just chill on her own tonight. We got home, i put the oven on and I popped up to the loo. When I came downstairs my husband said your mum has packed her bag and gone. I managed to catch her loading the car and asked her what was up. She had got it into her head that I'd had enough of her and she was upset and wanted to leave. This literally came out of nowhere. I was really shocked. I apologised for unintentionally upsetting her and pleaded with her to stay. She said she was teary and wanted to leave to she left. There is no drip feed here. We have not had any cross words today.

She txt me later on from her hotel room. She basically made up this whole scenario in her head. My husband made a comment that she's my daughters new favourite and I joked that her favourite is whoever is paying her the most attention. It's a running joke. He is the favourite when he's spending lots of time with her. I'm the favourite when she's spending a lot of time with me. My mum took that as a dig and that I was angry at her that my daughter liked her better. Ive no idea why. I was looking forward to them bonding today. I don't care who she likes! She also thought I was trying to terf her out early because when we got home (around 5pm) I asked my husband if he wanted dinner now as this is our usual dinner time and she thought I was trying to get dinner out the way so I could get rid of her earlier. She also said she thought she got weird vibes from me earlier when we were walking back to the car. I was happy and smiley the whole time. Like where has she got this from?! She is very insecure. I told her I wouldn't have invited her up here if I didn't want her here. I've had a great time and if she was feeling put out id rather she told me instead of running off. It's made me feel crappy and it's confused the kids as they don't know why she's disappeared. We have plans again tomorrow and now I feel weird about it. But now she's calmed down and let me apologise for things I've not even done, she's kinda washed over it like ok cool what time are we going out tomorrow? Why did a nice weekend have to end in drama? I wish this could have just been the nice weekend I was anticipating.

OP posts:
Disneydatknee88 · 19/03/2022 23:22

@tearinghairout

I also think she might be a bit jealous, which is weird isn't it, when you only want what's best for your own dch (and parents!). There's maybe some guilt involved on her part? I found with my own difficult mother that two hours was enough to spend together at any time. So your mum moving closer might be a good idea. But I had my own life when mine came to live nearby and I couldn't cope with her ringing up at 9am saying "What shall we do today?" so had to have some boundaries. It was difficult. I felt very guilty, as she didn't have friends here. But if she's got your dad then hopefully that will take the pressure off a bit. But still, are there e.g. clubs she can join?
Oh she is definitely jealous and she projects her guilt about her own parenting onto me whenever my kids are doing well. My parents are heavily involved in the church so they would be the same here if they moved. She would make church friends fairly easily.
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OhItsSpicyyy · 19/03/2022 23:25

Me too, OP Flowers

DramaAlpaca · 19/03/2022 23:25

My mother is just the same, imagined slights rule her life. It's exhausting for everyone, including her.

CakesOfVersailles · 19/03/2022 23:32

Ah... I had a relative the exact same, but only when off her medication.

It helped that I had siblings so we could all look at each other and say, "no, it definitely didn't happen that way," or "you didn't give her a funny look." Kept us sane knowing we weren't the ones making things up!

In truth, and this will sound harsh, by the age of about 10 I'd learnt to just ignore the drama. Apologise once and be done with it if an apology will help it resolve faster. I don't mess round replaying the day or rehashing what might have caused it or trying to change anything.

It's a sort of closed loop with her having very thin skin leading to her thinking no one likes her leading to her behaving in a way which drives people off! Drives me nuts.

I'd say in that sort of scenario you say, "Oh, I didn't mean to make you feel that way. I want you to stay. Come inside and have dinner."

If she comes in, great. If not, move on with your evening. Don't agonise over what happened.

UniversalAunt · 19/03/2022 23:44

Wise words @Supersimkin2

Nightdancer · 20/03/2022 00:45

HNRTFT!!

Mine is dead and has been for a cruelly long time, but that is irrelevant to you and your post.

In your title you used the word normal. What is that?

It sounds like your mum doesn't want to impose herself on you or your life. There could be many legitimate reasons for this. It could be her MH or it could be other reasons. Is having a heart to heart convo with her an option? You obviously need to realise the reasons, so she might be the best person to speak to.

KELLOGSspeck · 20/03/2022 03:41

I don't think you have done anything wrong as such but you do need to accept that she has mental health. If she packed her things up I wouldn't of pleaded with her.

Some people cannot cope with busy places or big gatherings.

Monty27 · 20/03/2022 03:46

OP what ages are you both may I ask?

Disneydatknee88 · 20/03/2022 04:06

@Monty27

OP what ages are you both may I ask?
33 and 58.
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Justilou1 · 20/03/2022 04:31

Honestly, this type of behaviour (from your mother) is a very toddler-like form passive-aggressive form of control that gets attention. If you stopped being afraid of “hurting her feelings” and told her off for tantrumming, she’d be right as rain.

CakesOfVersailles · 20/03/2022 05:03

@Justilou1 having tried that in the past, let me tell you, it may not work...

Monty27 · 20/03/2022 05:13

OP your DM is not dealing well with this transition in her life.
However you deserve your own life.
You're going to have to deal with it. I recommend sensitively and directly.
I got a blasting from my DD a couple of weeks ago. Tough love ❤️❤️

Thegiftthatkeepsongiving · 20/03/2022 05:31

That sounds so tough. Do not feel you are to blame, it sounds like your mum has a lot of unresolved issues which are coming out over the smallest comments. You have done nothing wrong. My DH had this when he told his mum we were expecting a baby. A week later she rings crying down the phone how he said he didn’t want her to see the baby or visit (DH has said nothing of the sort!) but she had seemed to made up a conversation in her head and DH was apologising and running around her to make her feel better. Unfortunately unless your mum is willing to go seek counselling there isn’t much you can do to help her.

MMMarmite · 20/03/2022 05:40

Is she seeing a therapist? I feel like you need to set some boundaries. Her behaviour really is very offensive, jumping to conclusions that you are being nasty, to the point of walking out without saying goodbye. Did she have the capacity to see how rude and hurtful that is?

Mummyoflittledragon · 20/03/2022 06:16

Parents normally put their children’s feelings first. Not the other way around, right? Whilst you were treading on egg shells, putting her feeling first, your mum will not have been emotionally available. I think this is similar, at times, to being the child of an emotionally distant father and your childhood doesn’t sound easy and perhaps traumatic.

You say you agonise over everything you’ve said and done. From her reaction, I imagine your mum will be doing the same thing. What I’m thinking is you’re both maybe acting from a place of trauma and much as you say she feels rejected, I’m thinking that part of you also might feel rejected. Is that correct? It’s just I’m trying to figure why else would you apologise for something you haven’t even done?

It also sounds as if you might be monitoring yourself, your reactions, what you say a lot when you’re around her. Maybe I’m wrong. This is my interpretation based on my upbringing. All I can say is that it really isn’t your job to convince your mum you have enjoyed her company.

From what I’m reading, I think you may have been the subject of parentification. This is where the roles of parent and child are somehow switched. It doesn’t necessarily mean physically. It can also be looking after a parent’s emotional well-being. This causes trauma in a child, which is then brought into adulthood, with the dynamic set between parent and adult child continuing.

If you only have these feelings around your mum, brava. I’ve struggled a lot with esteem issues and more besides over the years, which impacted every area in my life, including irrational fears of being dumped by my dh and so forth.

From what my mother says about her father, he also was emotionally distant. Her mother was equally not particularly loving and my mother’s parenting was similar to that of her mother’s. Until I got decent therapy, I had a tape of her voice running constantly in my head telling me what to do. Her parenting was authoritarian and didn’t equip me to believe I could make decisions for myself, so until that point, I didn’t know how to truly separate from her.

At 58, your mum is definitely not too old to seek help herself. Right now she is choosing not to, which of course you cannot control anymore than you can control or read her reactions, thoughts or state of happiness. We say things like x person makes me happy or unhappy, but happiness and contentment are internal feelings. It isn’t that a person makes us happy or unhappy. Rather it is our reaction to something another person says or does, which dictates our mood. And it sounds as though you are pushing and pulling yourself all over the place to try to attain this state of mum being happy without regard for your own.

Hopefully you’re not as affected as I was and to an extent still am. Therapy was the only way for me. It did make me a better person, helped me to set my own boundaries as I had none and set me up to ride the tumultuous storm of the teenage years… well, dd is 13 going on 20, so I have a way to go yet…

I don’t doubt these days that my mother loves me, albeit I truly thought she didn’t as a child, which was extremely destabilising. Your mum also loves you very much by the sound of it too.

I hope you have a good day today. Smile

Roselilly36 · 20/03/2022 06:37

It’s really hard I know, I have experienced very similar behaviour with my mum. We are NC and have been for many years now. Having my own family made come to realisation on a few things, would I ever treat my DS like that, never in a million years. Why was I putting up with the behaviour and even enabling it with my response. Did I want to carrying on living like this for many years to come? No I had had enough. I have to say with my mum, it was definitely down to jealousy.

Lubeyboobyalt · 20/03/2022 06:51

Oh no we appear to share a mum. Mine does thing like in your post, and also goes on and on, every time we see her about every perceived slight anyone has done to her since childhood. I despair. I do love her but god it's mentally hard. The pandemic has made her worse. I have no advice but Flowers

Allaboutyou222 · 20/03/2022 06:52

Yep. My mothers mad as well. Learn to manage her. That’s what I’ve done.

ineedsun · 20/03/2022 07:02

Could you talk to her about the impact of her behaviour on other people?

It’s possible to do that in a supportive way, acknowledging her struggles and difficult feelings but pointing out that this has an impact on other people. No one is being critical or annoyed with her but when she behaves like this it is hard to be around and puts a downer on what was a lovely day. Maybe validate the fact that she had a shitty upbringing and that you’re sorry that happened to her and suggest she talk to someone.

Am going to also point out here that referring to someone who by the OPs account is traumatised as mad is really unpleasant.

AnotherEmma · 20/03/2022 07:19

"I'm really sad I've not done enough to convince her I've enjoyed her company"

Nothing you could do or say would convince her; you can't convince her and it's not your responsibility to do so. You're just pouring it all into the black hole of her issues; low self-esteem, unresolved trauma, whatever it is. Her feelings of inadequacy run so deep and they are absolutely nothing to do with you.

There is a book you might find helpful; it's called 'Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents' by Lindsay Gibson.

I also recommend counselling for yourself, it should help with your sense of obligation and guilt.

longwayoff · 20/03/2022 07:22

As above, you can't fix her, you can't change her. Find some counselling to help you.

Bellringer · 20/03/2022 07:28

You KNOW it's her stuff, she was probably tired and needed a bit of space. It's hard but don't take it on. Let her cool off and enjoy the next day.

Herecomesthesun2022 · 20/03/2022 07:30

Good when you said she’s planning to move near you my blood went cold. Bit dramatic but my mum was like this. You could never win. Do NOT put up with her shot. You don’t need to be nasty but you can just say eg last night when she was stripping off ‘mum, I’ve had a lovejy day, I love you. no one said anything to upset you, if you choose to strip off about nothing at all that’s up to you’ and expect an apology. If you don’t get one then you don’t hang out te next day. Gentle, loving zero tolerance is the only way to go. If you can’t sort this out I really bloody hope she doesn’t move near you. Avoid it like the plague. If she feels you backing off explain why. In fact explain your concerns and how you are feeling now

Herecomesthesun2022 · 20/03/2022 07:31

Strop not strip 😆

sazza76 · 20/03/2022 07:32

Sounds so familiar and it’s only in the last few years whilst having counselling that everything has become much clearer for me. I have always been the one trying to fix every issue that I had supposedly done wrong and I have lived with constant feelings of guilt because nothing I did was right. I didnt see anything other than it must be all my fault. However I now see the trail of family members who no longer have contact with her, the jealousy of every friend or boyfriend I ever had, the constant manipulation of ‘poor me’ and emotional blackmail. It’s not been easy, and its taken me a long time but I now feel free of the chains.

It’s sad that my mum was damaged by her mum, I think of it as her having an open wound. It wasn’t me that caused it to be there, it’s not my responsibility (& also isn’t possible) for me to fix it, constantly pandering to it and feeling guilty about it also isn’t going to fix it but risks an open wound in myself that my children will then experience.

None of this stops it being really sad though, she will probably always make you sad but don’t let the blame load onto you all the time.