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My DH and I feel isolated

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PenvelopewithaP · 12/03/2022 15:27

I’ll start off by saying that my husband and I are very very fortunate in many ways- we love each other a lot and have a very supportive relationship. He is my best friend. We also have two beautiful, funny DCs, jobs and a nice home. Considering what others are going through at the moment, our problems will seem trivial. But we are not happy and so incredibly frustrated, and I don’t know what to do about it.

We moved from London (couldn’t afford it) to another city 7 years ago to start a family. But 7 years later, we still find ourselves pretty isolated and lonely. We’ve been really unlucky with making friends. We were really good friends with one couple, but they divorced acrimoniously and both moved away. Another couple we were friends with moved abroad.

I made a few mum friends when I had my first DC, but as nice as they are, I can’t say I’m completely myself around them and I wouldn’t say I have a really good laugh with them. It’s all very polite and we mainly talk about our kids, schools etc. My husband has tried to befriend their husbands, but they are not interested. A lot of people grew up here or went to uni here and stayed, so have ready-made friendship groups or family around and the men in particular don’t really seem interested in making new friends. My husband has really tried and it breaks my heart to see him watching a big football match at home on his own, when I know he’d love to be out watching it with a pint and a group of mates. He is self-employed so doesn’t have work colleagues to hang out with either.

We have no family around (and they don’t really help with the kids when we do see them) and our lives are just a constant tag-team of work and childcare. We hoped that we’d meet more people when our eldest DC started school, but unfortunately he has become best friends with two children whose parents are pretty unfriendly and awkward. I set up a play date with one of the mums and her child and, honestly, it was such hard work- she had absolutely nothing to say. If I didn’t talk, we’d just sit in silence.

My DH and I don’t know what to do. We like the area, we like our house, and we don’t have the money to move anyway. But every weekend just reminds us of how lonely we are. It’s just my husband and me with the kids every single weekend, looking at each other asking: ‘What are we going to do today?’ Over the years we have instigated play dates, have invited people to parties and Christmas drinks- these are never reciprocated. My DC never seem to get party invites. We’ve tried forcing our eldest DC (6) to join sports classes, for his own confidence and as a way of meeting other parents, but he’s not interested. It’s not fair to make him do something that he doesn’t want to do just for our social needs.

Sorry if this reads as one long pity-fest, I’m just feeling pretty down today. Yet another Saturday where it’s just the four of us, just dripping around the local park or soft play. We used to be fun people. We used to be really sociable and go out a lot. We made plans and we used to laugh with friends. Our world has shrunk down so much. I think we both feel a bit lost and as if life is passing us by.

Have others found themselves in this situation? If you weren’t happy, what changes did you make to improve your lives?

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FlowersFlowersEverywhere · 12/03/2022 18:35

Look up your local chapters of Ladies Circle and Round Table (mens version of ladies circle). Great way to make new friends and build a social life

JaceLancs · 12/03/2022 18:47

How about volunteering with local organisations?
Cubs and scouts, brownies, sea cadets - whatever appeals to you
Help out at kids sports events or school stuff
My DP when DC were little was not at all sporty - but made male friends through becoming a scout leader
He then got invited to join a DIY initiative group who did free and cheap work for people on low incomes or older people etc
I made friends through an evening college course
We also got a babysitter couple of times a month to go to our local pub quiz - we started sitting on our own but after a while got asked to join a bigger team

bobthebuilderofstars · 12/03/2022 18:47

OP Remember that friendship is a numbers game. My bet is that to make one decent friend then you have to been friendly with 20 people. Bloody hard with Covid around ! People’s worlds have shrunk.

Keep going, join groups and be friendly to everyone.

mnetting · 12/03/2022 18:50

@diplop

Are you in the south of England, OP?
Is this quiet typical in the South then?
AngelinaFibres · 12/03/2022 18:51

Can you sing Op. Even a bit. One of my friends is part of a singing for fun choir She loves it.

Darley368 · 12/03/2022 18:59

I think making couple friends via your DC is the hardest thing to do especially if you are looking for people to socialise with at weekends because lots of people seem to keep weekends for family only.

I agree it is easier to join clubs individually and make friends that way. That said, I agree with weekend sports clubs for children especially if they have a clubhouse where waiting parents can hang out, drink tea and chat (fond memories of weekend kids tennis lessons). Walking and gardening groups are also good couple activities. I'm a single parent but I made a lot of new friends by taking on an allotment, joining the local gardening club and asking everyone for their advice. My social circle just exploded after that :)

FlyingGeeseAgain · 12/03/2022 19:00

I think as others have said that you both need to do things On your own to make your own friends. For joint friends, what about a dance class? I wouldn’t have wanted to spend my weekends with other couples with kids. Many people don’t. They value family time.
Do things separately and take up joint hobbies without the kids . If you make friends through them, that’s a bonus.

daisyducky · 12/03/2022 19:01

Are you members if a church? Vaguely similar situation & we were attending a church but no one spoke to us. We changed church's and the difference is unbelievable. It's a really social church with lots going on. It has a cafe and there's always members of the congregation there and lots of groups and events. For example they're showing the rugby there next weekend. There's different a fairs for the kids through the year. We haven't been at this new church for more than 6 months & whilst we've made friends we've not made go on holiday type friends yet but I can see there are others who have been going longer are at that stage

Darley368 · 12/03/2022 19:02

Sorry, I also meant to say, is there an option where you and DH book a daytime sitter and socialise without DC for a bit too? When my DC were younger I always found having a proper adult conversation very difficult as it was pretty much guaranteed someone would fall over/ climb something they shouldn't etc so I always had one eye on the DC

AngelinaFibres · 12/03/2022 19:09

The other thing to remember Op is that mumsnet is full of people talking about cheeky fucker friends who take advantage, weird/creepy husbands of female friends , friends who bore you rigid, friends whose children destroy you house, friends who clearly fancy your husband . You could look at someone at school who seems to have a lovely group of friends and find that that person is just conveniently close to the school and their home is just invaded by everyone else (recent thread).A lot of what you see is smoke and mirrors.

PenvelopewithaP · 12/03/2022 19:17

@AngelinaFibres

The other thing to remember Op is that mumsnet is full of people talking about cheeky fucker friends who take advantage, weird/creepy husbands of female friends , friends who bore you rigid, friends whose children destroy you house, friends who clearly fancy your husband . You could look at someone at school who seems to have a lovely group of friends and find that that person is just conveniently close to the school and their home is just invaded by everyone else (recent thread).A lot of what you see is smoke and mirrors.
Grin Very true!
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cigarettesNalcohol · 12/03/2022 19:21

Oh my god I could have literally posted this word for word. Sorry op, I know exactly how you feel as my husband and I are in the EXACT SAME situation. Like for like. I've tried so hard to meet other couples but it just doesn't seem to go anywhere. I also have witness my husband's efforts to befriend other men (in the couple) and they aren't interested. Like you, I feel sad as he is such a lovely guy but no one invites him out or tries to get to know him, despite him being chatty and friendly. We never get invited over, my eldest is yet to be invited to a party. I always arrange play dates with some of her friends from preschool. We've been invited over once in return. If I don't message the mums, we wouldn't see anyone. Moved away just over a year ago. No family near by. Completely isolated. Husband and I get on very well and support each other. We're happy but it feels that other people are so lazy. Like you said, they've been in the area most of their life with friends and family already around so don't need 'new friends'.

Sorry I don't have any advice on how to fix this - there is no solution. The reality is that things will most likely not change. Makes me very sad and I'd go as far as saying it's the one thing in our lives that really upsets me.

Groundedtraveller · 12/03/2022 19:24

Have you tried Meetup.com? If you're in a city they'll usually be a variety of groups on there (book groups, walking groups, general socialising groups etc) so you'll both hopefully find something that interests you. Perhaps take it in turns and go along to a different meet up occasionally. My husband and I have young children and don't have babysitter options so we often socialise individually. I've met some lovely friends through meet up, and even when I've not necessarily stayed in touch with anyone I've just enjoyed attending the event, chatting to new people, doing something different and being sociable for an evening. I think it's great that you and your husband are trying different avenues to increase your social circle, definitely keep trying as it would be worse to just give up. You both sound really nice, I'm sure you'll meet some nice people soon.

AngelinaFibres · 12/03/2022 19:26

@Groundedtraveller

Have you tried Meetup.com? If you're in a city they'll usually be a variety of groups on there (book groups, walking groups, general socialising groups etc) so you'll both hopefully find something that interests you. Perhaps take it in turns and go along to a different meet up occasionally. My husband and I have young children and don't have babysitter options so we often socialise individually. I've met some lovely friends through meet up, and even when I've not necessarily stayed in touch with anyone I've just enjoyed attending the event, chatting to new people, doing something different and being sociable for an evening. I think it's great that you and your husband are trying different avenues to increase your social circle, definitely keep trying as it would be worse to just give up. You both sound really nice, I'm sure you'll meet some nice people soon.
Meet up is fab
AngelinaFibres · 12/03/2022 19:28

Oh and I live in the middle of nowhere and there are lots of neet up groups. You may have to travel a few miles but it will be worth it.

Crikeyalmighty · 12/03/2022 19:34

It doesn’t help when ‘some’ groups that are just set up as social groups actively say for ‘single’ people— as a married woman of 60 is it presumed you wouldn’t need new friends ever? And I would say the same for guys too—

Lotsalotsagiggles · 12/03/2022 19:44

Youd be suprised how many others feel in the same position. Put up a friendly post on your local community facebook page and im.sure other families new to the area will get in touch too

dottydodah · 12/03/2022 19:54

Its difficult when you move area TBH. Where we are (SC) The Churches seem to be involved in lots of activities for young DC."Messy" church every month ,so DC do painting ,crafts and so on .Chance to meet other young families .Also Rainbows/Cub Scouts maybe ? Activities through School (So maybe PTA or just helping when you can?) Also can your DH look for Football teams already established? Look on Facebook perhaps?

Branleuse · 12/03/2022 20:06

What sort of things do you enjoy?
I think the people that i know that have moved areas a few times seem to have a strategy for building a circle. I think getting involved in a political group that you align with can be a good way to find people on your wavelength. I know one that got involved with the local labour group, one that got involved with the local feminist group.Another with an environmental group. That sort of thing. Another likes to invite people out for afternoon tea at a nice place to try and get to know aquaintances a bit better.
Finding an activity that you like too. Paddleboarding? Courses?
What about your local pub. You might get to know a few people if you go regularly enough.
If your husband likes football, maybe he could find a local team thats small and friendly, or if you have kids, could he help out in kids team. You might find some of the other dads are also looking for friends

Etinoxaurus · 12/03/2022 20:10

Seconding @daisyducky’s suggestion about Church. Not us Catholics, unless you want to spend your weekends cleaning the church but friends of mine at Methodist Evangelical and high church Anglican have great social lives around their church.

Tonkerbea · 12/03/2022 20:18

I can very much empathise. DH and I moved from London to a commuter town with DD (2years old at the time) and I'd never been so lonely. DH socialised in London after work with old uni friends when he could, but I felt very adrift.

We then moved again when DD was 3 to another SE town, but we're so much happier. We've both met people through the children who we can get in well with.

It's a smaller, but more welcoming town, with a great sense of community. I honestly think location matters hugely.

EarthSight · 12/03/2022 20:18

I really feel for you.

By our age, a lot of people have their friend spots filled already. They just don't have the time to accommodate extras.

I'm on the opposite end to you in a way. If find that so many social opportunities for people in my age group are for families with small children, so it would be really odd if I turned up alone with no child with me!

If you want to meet people in the community as a family, please could I suggest you look to see if there is a local community arts group? Sometimes they do carnivals where families can get involved in making things for the procession. Amateur dramatic societies would be good too for a laugh and people who join those kinds of groups are quite sociable, other they do tend to be older than you. The Woodland Trust and your local Wildlife Trust will have family activity days and volunteering days. These are good places to meet people that are not necessarily other parents in your children's school (and that can be beneficial).

EarthSight · 12/03/2022 20:21

@cigarettesNalcohol Oh that's really sad about your husband :( Men have different social challenges to women I think.

TravellingFrom · 12/03/2022 20:26

By our age, a lot of people have their friend spots filled already. They just don't have the time to accommodate extras.

That sort if comment annoys me tbh.
For one, this means that no one is expected ti ever move from where they live after a certain age.which isn’t the reality (nor is it healthy Imo)
But also this is not what happens everywhere. It seems to happen in SOME smaller communities where people don’t move and are so unused to see newcomers that they can’t be bothered to welcome them.

It’s sad.

EmmaH2022 · 12/03/2022 20:27

Sorry to hear this OP
I can only offer sympathy

I thought I had good friends before lockdown....apparently I was wrong.

I am single and it has seemed as if a lot of people have gone into "I only need my DH" mode.

I think the only thing we can do is wait. Life changes all the time. I am hoping to move areas so after that's done, I will probably try to make friends.

I talked to a lady in my current area, who ran local meetups in the pub, and she is finding no one wants to come. We get on well but ironically she always seems very busy with DH and DC so I don't ask her to meet more than once a month.

Also nervous of being seen as "full on" etc as that seems to put people off.

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