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My DH and I feel isolated

94 replies

PenvelopewithaP · 12/03/2022 15:27

I’ll start off by saying that my husband and I are very very fortunate in many ways- we love each other a lot and have a very supportive relationship. He is my best friend. We also have two beautiful, funny DCs, jobs and a nice home. Considering what others are going through at the moment, our problems will seem trivial. But we are not happy and so incredibly frustrated, and I don’t know what to do about it.

We moved from London (couldn’t afford it) to another city 7 years ago to start a family. But 7 years later, we still find ourselves pretty isolated and lonely. We’ve been really unlucky with making friends. We were really good friends with one couple, but they divorced acrimoniously and both moved away. Another couple we were friends with moved abroad.

I made a few mum friends when I had my first DC, but as nice as they are, I can’t say I’m completely myself around them and I wouldn’t say I have a really good laugh with them. It’s all very polite and we mainly talk about our kids, schools etc. My husband has tried to befriend their husbands, but they are not interested. A lot of people grew up here or went to uni here and stayed, so have ready-made friendship groups or family around and the men in particular don’t really seem interested in making new friends. My husband has really tried and it breaks my heart to see him watching a big football match at home on his own, when I know he’d love to be out watching it with a pint and a group of mates. He is self-employed so doesn’t have work colleagues to hang out with either.

We have no family around (and they don’t really help with the kids when we do see them) and our lives are just a constant tag-team of work and childcare. We hoped that we’d meet more people when our eldest DC started school, but unfortunately he has become best friends with two children whose parents are pretty unfriendly and awkward. I set up a play date with one of the mums and her child and, honestly, it was such hard work- she had absolutely nothing to say. If I didn’t talk, we’d just sit in silence.

My DH and I don’t know what to do. We like the area, we like our house, and we don’t have the money to move anyway. But every weekend just reminds us of how lonely we are. It’s just my husband and me with the kids every single weekend, looking at each other asking: ‘What are we going to do today?’ Over the years we have instigated play dates, have invited people to parties and Christmas drinks- these are never reciprocated. My DC never seem to get party invites. We’ve tried forcing our eldest DC (6) to join sports classes, for his own confidence and as a way of meeting other parents, but he’s not interested. It’s not fair to make him do something that he doesn’t want to do just for our social needs.

Sorry if this reads as one long pity-fest, I’m just feeling pretty down today. Yet another Saturday where it’s just the four of us, just dripping around the local park or soft play. We used to be fun people. We used to be really sociable and go out a lot. We made plans and we used to laugh with friends. Our world has shrunk down so much. I think we both feel a bit lost and as if life is passing us by.

Have others found themselves in this situation? If you weren’t happy, what changes did you make to improve your lives?

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Laney39 · 12/03/2022 17:03

We moved to a new area, my dh also self employed, he joined a running club. It's a mix of male and females but he really enjoys it. There's also a cycling club he goes to. I'm not very sociable but I'm OK with a quick chat at the school gate and then home but I can see how if you were looking for friends it can be tough. A club seems to be the beat option in small places where everyone knows each other

KingscoteStaff · 12/03/2022 17:06
  1. Take both boys to the local Rugby club minis (U7s) training - normally Sunday morning. Parents all stay, so easy to chat on side lines. Most people stay for a drink in the club bar after training, while the little ones bomb about.
  2. Volunteer as helpers. Could your DH help out with training sessions? Is that more your thing or, if not, could you help out with the bacon sandwich stall or the tuck shop?
  3. In April, transfer to the local cricket club and repeat!
PenvelopewithaP · 12/03/2022 17:08

Thanks for the replies and to those admitting that they sometimes feel the same. I think it’s easy for DH and I to get into a cycle of negativity, where we think it’s ‘just us’ who feels this way, especially after another long day of looking after the kids.

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PenvelopewithaP · 12/03/2022 17:11

@KingscoteStaff

1. Take both boys to the local Rugby club minis (U7s) training - normally Sunday morning. Parents all stay, so easy to chat on side lines. Most people stay for a drink in the club bar after training, while the little ones bomb about.
  1. Volunteer as helpers. Could your DH help out with training sessions? Is that more your thing or, if not, could you help out with the bacon sandwich stall or the tuck shop?
  2. In April, transfer to the local cricket club and repeat!
We have our son on the waiting list for rugby- hopefully he’ll enjoy it!
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GOODCAT · 12/03/2022 17:13

Could you befriend any neighbours e.g. have a street party for the Queen's Jubilee. Otherwise both of you going out and joining local groups separately. Park run can be good. Joining local council or PTA.

nopuppiesallowed · 12/03/2022 17:16

Am Dram is brilliant for making friends. You don't have to be on stage - there's always room for extra stage hands and scenery painters. Around here there's at least one group (mainly men) who have set up a 'Fix It' group - people with a broken radio etc can take it to them to have it mended. What about your children Brownies or Scouts? You can go along and help. Volunteering for anything helps you and others. Good luck!

ISmellBurnings · 12/03/2022 17:18

I have to confess I am one of those that made friends when my eldest started school and haven’t made as much effort with the parents of my younger DC because I didn’t need to. I know it sounds terrible.

Have you tried joining a martial arts in the evening? My DC do it and it’s open to all ages. We also have a WI that’s open to younger women. Or join the pta? Running group?

billy1966 · 12/03/2022 17:19

Do you have a cricket orvtennis club nearby?
Both tend to be very family orientated, especially tennis.

SecondhandTable · 12/03/2022 17:24

Where are you in the country OP? Some of us might be near enough to you to be pals or recommend local groups/activities.

SilenceOfThePrams · 12/03/2022 17:27

Even if it’s the wrong age for your children, try volunteering for Guides or Scouts. Whichever age segment suits you best. I promise you will meet all kinds of people, and volunteering will expand to fill as much of your time as you want it to.

Trygowithflow · 12/03/2022 17:28

I could have written your post! Including self employed DH. I haven't found a solution but there's some good tips here.

Rugfeatures1 · 12/03/2022 17:29

I have been in exactly your situation and it is so tough. My husband and I lived in a city for 10 years working in high pressure corporate jobs - also in that time having 3 children - and struggled to make any friends at all. We got to the point where we dreaded weekends! In the end we decided to move back to where we both grew up, near our families and old friends and have never looked back or been happier. We were fortunate that our careers allowed for this etc so understand it's not an option for everyone, but I just wanted you to know that you're not alone. It is so hard to form connections when you are a certain age with young children because it's a real effort to arrange and do things and frankly people won't take the risk on going to all the trouble for someone they just met!

theqentity · 12/03/2022 17:31

I'm a bit of a loner, but I also get lonely. Like you we left London with our young family because we couldn't afford to live comfortably there any more. We love our home, our town and our kids are very happy and settled. We don't want to move. We just wish our friends were closer, but tbh maybe that's just part of growing up and moving on.

My saviour is the long distance friendships I maintain with a few friends. My best friend, I talk to all day long on WhatsApp. Same with my sister. And I have several friends who I check in with every day, who also check in with me.

I'm not great in person, I'm autistic and get very anxious about social situations, so when I find people who love me for me I hang onto them.

My DH is able to see his London friends whenever he's working in the city, which is every other week or so, so he gets to keep those connections.

TravellingFrom · 12/03/2022 17:36

I don’t know where in the country you yu are
But my experience is that, if after 7 years, you still don’t fit in, you won’t.

Lots of reasons but it just doesn’t seem to work.
Maybe a mix of different types of people/interests/ friendship already established/not fitting in perfectly.

But I dont know of anyone who suddenly started to get lots of friends when they’ve already spent 7 years in the same place.
It’s the place btw nit you or your DH.

Kracken · 12/03/2022 17:41

I agree with PPs that it's hard to join up the adult and kid dots when it comes to friendships. It's just so rare that both the kids and adults get on! We moved to a new area just before the start of the pandemic two years ago so I feel your pain to some extent. By far the best thing we have done to make local friends is get season tickets to our local football team. I wasn't particularly interested in the team at first (though I do like football) but we now have a shared interest and passion with a lovely group of people and have started going out for non football related things like comedy clubs, drinks etc. Perhaps your DH could start this off if you aren't into football, there are partners of the season ticket holders who don't come to the matches but join us in the pub afterwards or to do other things.

I am also planning on joining the local women's institute as I hear such good things about it and I'd love to meet some more women in our area. Then hopefully if I click with anyone DH will get on with their partners etc.

Good luck, I do hope you are able to make some connections soon.

PenvelopewithaP · 12/03/2022 17:46

@theqentity

I'm a bit of a loner, but I also get lonely. Like you we left London with our young family because we couldn't afford to live comfortably there any more. We love our home, our town and our kids are very happy and settled. We don't want to move. We just wish our friends were closer, but tbh maybe that's just part of growing up and moving on.

My saviour is the long distance friendships I maintain with a few friends. My best friend, I talk to all day long on WhatsApp. Same with my sister. And I have several friends who I check in with every day, who also check in with me.

I'm not great in person, I'm autistic and get very anxious about social situations, so when I find people who love me for me I hang onto them.

My DH is able to see his London friends whenever he's working in the city, which is every other week or so, so he gets to keep those connections.

I think you summed it up when you said ‘We don’t want to move. We just wish our friends were closer’. We have good friends, they just aren’t near enough to see regularly. And when we do hear from them, they’ve been on camping weekends with their new friends, who they’ve met through their DC. SIL text this morning saying BIL was hungover after going out with the school dads. I admit we are jealous that we haven’t found that yet. But I agree that I may be romanticising things, and that it doesn’t work like that for a lot of people.
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Lookingforatimeslip · 12/03/2022 17:46

I feel you OP. I have two children with special needs and so we can’t attend run of the mill clubs and they’re both at specialist schools. I’ve taken tentative steps into the world of bumble and Peanut. Can’t attest to their success yet. I’ve found it very hard in our town. I wouldn’t say it is hugely friendly.

theqentity · 12/03/2022 17:51

For me personally, the idea of camping away with parents of my kids' friends brings me out in hives. So if any of that were happening around me I'd not pay it any heed really. For me it's more important to have fewer relationships (but good quality, emotionally honest friendships) than lots of lots of more superficial ones built on interests that might change or fade.

PenvelopewithaP · 12/03/2022 17:53

@Lookingforatimeslip

I feel you OP. I have two children with special needs and so we can’t attend run of the mill clubs and they’re both at specialist schools. I’ve taken tentative steps into the world of bumble and Peanut. Can’t attest to their success yet. I’ve found it very hard in our town. I wouldn’t say it is hugely friendly.
I’m sorry that you are struggling, parenting can be so lonely sometimes- the past two years have really tested that. I hope you find supportive friends soon x
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coloradoqueen · 12/03/2022 17:58

@VerveClique

Join your local tennis and / or cricket club, lots for all of you to do there. Get stuck in with organising/coaching too. All very sociable.

Don’t write off parents of your younger DC as potential friends. Basically keep going!!

Invite people with similar age DCs for days out with you. Don’t sweat it if you can’t all go all the time. Offer to help with stuff… friend wants to clear out their garage or dig up a hedge? Offer to help. It may not be reciprocated but the best friendships are based on shared histories… you just just can’t get that through BBQs and kids parties alone.

I was about to suggest the same. Our local tennis club has a bar/social club, lessons for kids and adults, plus just social memberships. What are your/DH interests?
KeepingAnOpenMind · 12/03/2022 18:12

Perhaps this is because you have no passionate interests beyond family? You can’t help but meet people when you are involved with politics, religion, tennis, animals or other big interest.

AngelinaFibres · 12/03/2022 18:17

Could you do an evening class at your local college Op. I signed up for a course called 'experimental embroidery ' which I absolutely loved. I met a friend there who I have a huge amount in common with. We have been friends for 5 years now. You don't have to be good at the thing as most are for beginners. It doesn't have to be 'useful'. It can be something that takes your brain (and your soul) away from work and domestic trivia and you will meet like minded people. A drink in the pub afterwards is often suggested after you have been going for a few weeks. We have a tech and an art college near to me and they run lots of practical and fun and creative courses. I bet you have something like that near you . New stuff will be starting in April so now is the perfect time

SquarePegInACircularHole · 12/03/2022 18:29

It’s definitely not just you OP. We’ve lived in the same town for 15 years now and aside from school mum acquaintances who have dropped away since our youngest started secondary school last September, I’ve had no friends in all the time we’ve lived here. I can’t quite believe it sometimes! No family either.

I’m another one with a DH who works odd shifts until late at night and weekends so could never commit to going to a hobby for myself every week when DC (4 of them) were younger. I never got past chit chat with other mums really, they all did clubs, birthday parties and play dates and were popular at school. I had a long period of being a SAHM as one DC has a disability and has taken up a lot of time and brain space to fight fir support. I worked for a few years when we first moved here and older DC went to breakfast and after school club so I missed early interaction at the school gate due to that.

I got on well with work colleagues but they had older DC or none and didn’t live locally. Currently I WFH, have lots of teams chats and have had a few evenings out but again no one is local and they’re older with DC flown the nest and it’s difficult to build close relationships in work.

It’s a strange situation as this town is very much a working class place which I am as well but as soon as I open my mouth people assume I’m posh and presume I think I’m better than them. I’ve been told this to my face do not imagining it! So I certainly don’t fit in, not a wine o clock type of person either. I’d love to move to a friendlier place but DH’s work is here and DC have friends.

I’ve got used to it but sometimes I do find it upsetting. I’m holding out for moving to a retirement area by the sea when DC have all moved out, maybe I’ll connect with someone thereGrin. Bit sad really.

PenvelopewithaP · 12/03/2022 18:31

@KeepingAnOpenMind

Perhaps this is because you have no passionate interests beyond family? You can’t help but meet people when you are involved with politics, religion, tennis, animals or other big interest.
I have plenty of interests outside of my family, but it’s hard when you work, have young children, a husband who works long hours and no family help. But I do need to look at pursuing things for me and not making excuses because I’m too tired.
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AngelinaFibres · 12/03/2022 18:31

My husband and I have been together for 20 years. We love each others company and, now the children are adults and we are retired, we spend spend lot if time together. We have friends too but not a single set of couple friends. My husband has friends who were former colleagues, as do I. I don't know their wives , my husband doesnt socialise with the husbands of my friends. DH and I share lots of things we like doing as a couple but the interests that form our friendships are very, very different. I don't think we have ever done the 'dinner at other people's houses' thing. I had friends when my children were small but they are 27 and 29 now and those friendships are long gone. Maybe just join some stuff, together or separately, and enjoy the 'thing' and see if any friendships come out of it. Do grown up stuff too, not just things that involve children. Children are lovely obviously but you are people too not just parents