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LDR and planning on moving in together, too many compromises?

82 replies

ruddygreattiger · 08/03/2022 21:20

Hi Ladies, I welcome any independant opinions on this.

A bit of background first:

We have both been separated from exes for 5 years, my divorce was finalised 2 years ago, his is still at nisi stage. His ex will not engage on discussions re finance, I have seen email and text communications so know this to be the case.
We have been together for just over 2 years and live 2 hours apart.
I have an 18yr old dd and he has 2 younger kids.
I have been travelling to his most weekends rather than bring his kids to mine as this fits around his access times and days.
For the past year we have talked about buying a house together, my house very recently went on the market, he rents a 2 bed flat.

My main concerns are that to buy a house together that is big enough for us and the kids I would have to put in every penny of equity from my house sale. His divorce is not looking likely to happen anytime soon so he has no lump sum to contribute, but he is willing to have a joint mortgage on a new property.

He constantly says how much better off we will be financially as we would be splitting all the bills and how his kids are looking forward to having a bedroom each, there is no mention of how much he is looking forward to being with me at all. I am prepared to relocate and find a new job because I love him, and lately I am beginning to feel like a mug.

When we first met we talked in depth about travelling abroad and very recently I suggested we go away overseas, sometime next year, on a romantic week away, just the two of us.

His response was less than enthusiastic because he thinks his kids should come with us too.
I would hasten to add I suggested a week away last year, just us, and he insisted on the kids coming too which resulted in one of the worst 'holidays' I've ever been on, his kids constantly argue and bicker and absolutely spoilt it.
I told him in no uncertain terms I will not be repeating it again and am so very hurt that he doesnt want to go away with just me.

After the initial honeymoon stage wore off it has become clear that he is not affectionate or cuddly in relationships. I have to ask for a kiss or cuddle, however he does initiate when we have sex. When we are intimate it is wonderful but lately I can't help feeling that is all on his terms too.

He is diabetic and for the past 18 months has also suffered from very frequent migraines. This is impacting on our activities, where we go, how bright the lighting is, what food we eat and being prepared to drop everything if he feels a migraine coming on and has to basically retreat to the car, bedroom or somewhere dark so he can close his eyes and sleep.
Obviously when this happens if his kids are with us I am left to babysit. They are ok kids but at the end of the day I don't drive for hours to see them, I'm there to be with their dad.

A year into the relationship I proposed and he said he will never get married again, I was very upset but respected his decision and do understand as his ex can make life very tricky from time to time.

I feel so bereft, I love this man so much, but I'm getting the feeling I could be making a huge mistake to buy a house and move in together. My friends have been hinting very kindly that I should think carefully and they don't want me to move away, but they are not impartial.

Tell me if I'm wasting my time ladies.......

OP posts:
TracyMosby · 08/03/2022 21:54

So, youll be moving your children to his area, two hours away. Buying a house with your money alone. With a man who doesnt want the same things as you from holidays to marriage. To parent his children on his days.

Did he also suggest his name goes on the mortgage / deeds?

MunchyMonsters · 08/03/2022 21:57

Don't do it OP. Don't leave yourself and your DD vulnerable like this. Be mortgage free in YOUR own home.

scoobydoo1971 · 08/03/2022 21:58

Please don't do this. Think of your children and their future. You could be locked into a dreadful financial bind with a man that you already have other doubts about. Forget love. You are not his social worker. You can test him by suggesting you move local to him at a separate address. That would not be a bad idea if you are set on moving anyway. Lower risk. If he loses interest when you tell him you are not buying a house together, you know all you need to.

ruddygreattiger · 08/03/2022 22:00

@babytum

You’ve listed every fathomable reason not to sell up and move. Do yourself a massive favour and save yourself the heartache of being far away from support, jobless, homeless and financially tied to a man that’s looking for a financial prop and on-site babysitter.

You are in love with an ideal not a reality.

You are in love with an ideal not a reality.

I think you might be dead right. Fuck. Sad

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LoganberryJam · 08/03/2022 22:03

It does sound like a very unequal relationship OP.

You do all the driving to see him. You are providing the bulk of the finances. You are uprooting yourself from your friends (and potentially your DD from hers) whereas he gets to stay in the same area. You babysit his kids sometimes but he never has to babysit yours (ok not his fault if he's unwell, but it doesn't sound like he makes it up to you in other ways), and this will increase if you're living together. You have to ask before he shows affection and he doesn't want to go on holiday with you Sad.

If you don't want to break up with him now, maybe just put the house buying plans on hold until his divorce comes through and see how you feel about it then.

Easterbunnyiswindowshopping · 08/03/2022 22:03

Once you are saddled with his dc 50% of the time your plans will be out the window op.. He has your time and money accounted for I am guessing..
Time to bow out op.

Quitelikeit · 08/03/2022 22:05

The things you have mentioned IMO is your internal sensor telling you things are not right.

Your lives are at very different stages since he has kids and that’s where his priorities lie. If you move in with him and things go pear shaped you will be trapped for all sorts of reasons.

Buy yourself somewhere smaller, but don’t buy with him.

Listen to your gut before it’s too late

Bonbon21 · 08/03/2022 22:08

No no no no.... NO joint finances until he is free to make them!!
No way!!
And what he is suggesting would certainly be cheaper for him, easier for him.... all about him..
If he is even THINKING along these lines... run.. fast... far far away....

ruddygreattiger · 08/03/2022 22:20

Thank you so much ladies, you have no idea how much I appreciate your help.
Yes, his kids are his priority as they should be, but it is clear that I will be playing second fiddle to him and them. I know he feels incredible guilt that he isnt there with them every day and just wants a normal, family unit back. Unfortunately I have bent over backwards to give them all what they want and it's backfired on me.

As upset as I am, as pp have said I do know the relationship is totally off-balance and it's down to me to put an end to it, which I will.
I'm going to put me and dd first from now on, she deserves to see a mum not afraid to stand her ground.
I can't stop crying but you are all right. thank you. XXXXXXX

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Crocadoodledoo · 08/03/2022 22:27

Well done OP - right decision. Hope you and your DD have a lovely future together without this selfish freeloading git.

Monr0e · 08/03/2022 22:28

Good luck OP, you deserve to put yourself first

"
Initially I was thinking of buying somewhere outright, be mortgage free and change my job as im currently working shifts."

This sounds an absolute dream, something most of us can only imagine, do this

ruddygreattiger · 08/03/2022 22:37

@Monr0e

Good luck OP, you deserve to put yourself first

"
Initially I was thinking of buying somewhere outright, be mortgage free and change my job as im currently working shifts."

This sounds an absolute dream, something most of us can only imagine, do this

Thanks Monr0e, you know that actually put a smile on my face, I rather think I will do that, thank you. XXXX
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venusandmars · 08/03/2022 22:53

@ruddygreattiger

*You are in love with an ideal not a reality.

I think you might be dead right. Fuck.* Sad

It is sad, but not unreasonably so. We all fall in love with an ideal. If we're lucky the reality and the ideal align (well, something close!). There is nothing you have done wrong in this, except be hopeful, and that is a good quality to have.

Now you've seen that your ideal and the reality are not matched. Fine. You've seen that. Let go of that dream, find another one (a mortgage free, smaller, simpler home...?)

Blossom64265 · 08/03/2022 23:18

You could choose to move closer to him so that it is easier to socialize.
You would be insane to live together and join your finances.

babytum · 09/03/2022 00:21

And there’s no shame in being in love with an ideal, we all have one, the shame would be to realise it’s not matching with the reality and sinking everything into a situation that won’t give you the happiness you deserve.

You are in a great position where you can make choices that will set you up for the future independently, with your home, financial security and self worth.
Because as you already know there’s nothing like an unhappy relationship to sap the self worth out of you.
Congratulate yourself on identifying that this relationship is one sided and not what’s in your best interest. Its harder to recognize and change a situation than to ignore all the problems and keep going pretending that everything will work out. There’s no shame in saying this isn’t for me it’s a greater shame to pretend it is.

springtimeishereagain · 09/03/2022 00:27

Massive red flags. No no no.

You're making too many concessions; he is making none.

Put yourself and your dc first. Don't move in with him.

RantyAunty · 09/03/2022 01:07

@Monr0e

Good luck OP, you deserve to put yourself first

"
Initially I was thinking of buying somewhere outright, be mortgage free and change my job as im currently working shifts."

This sounds an absolute dream, something most of us can only imagine, do this

This would be the dream for sure!

The peace of mind from being mortgage free and not working shifts would be priceless.
More time, energy, and money to spend doing things you love.
All the best to you and your DD. Flowers

MaryAndHerNet · 09/03/2022 01:15

You know op I used to really like rock music and some rock music from the 80s is still amazing today.

Especially Heavy Metal...
Your OP reminded me of a very good heavy metal song by Iron Maiden...

Run to the hills
Run for your lives
Run to the hills
Run for your lives

Nsky · 09/03/2022 01:29

He sounds needy, un attentive, and wants your money, and no affection, better off with a cat! I get that with my cat, affection and time together!
Dump now

Newestname002 · 09/03/2022 01:32

@ruddygreattiger

Initially I was thinking of buying somewhere outright, be mortgage free and change my job as im currently working shifts.
Maybe that was the right idea all along....

This ^^ is a MUCH better idea!

I also 100% agree with the other posters - please don't entangle your finances and think twice about taking on someone else's children when you have already brought yours up to young adulthood and are ready to "get some excitement, fun, and just feel alive again."* *

What you are describing with this man who wants a room each for his children, holidays with his children together with you all the time (mainly funded by you), little affection unless he wants sex surely isn't that?

Please listen to your friends and your gut (and the sensible advice from here) and take plans of moving away and blending further with him off the menu. Being mortgage free (especially in this country's currently uncertain financial future) as well as not being the one doing all the compromising is also a very good idea.

What's that phrase on MN about a "Nurse with a Purse" being of value to a man looking for a better life for himself and his kids? I think that's generally where the man is older but this one has children, so...

Don't be too downhearted he declined your marriage proposal - you have too much to lose. 🌹

SarahBellam · 09/03/2022 04:25

I know this is hard, but in time you will thank him for turning down your proposal. I think that makes clear your role in his life - which is to facilitate his life and the lives of his children. Put yourself first, because you’re the most important person in your life, and think about how you would advise a friend/family member if they were in this position. The mortgage free home versus taking out a mortgage on a bigger home so his children can have a room each is a no brainer to me. Can you imagine the freedom of being mortgage free?!

knittingaddict · 09/03/2022 05:23

The most worrying issue is the house you are intending to buy. Will his name be on the mortgage and/or deeds? If he is named on the house purchase before divorcing and sorting finances you leave yourself open to your home being considered in the divorce settlement. It is generally recommended that no one buys a new property until the divorce is finalised and finances agreed on.

SNUG2022 · 09/03/2022 05:35

You're in such a great position, op! Survived cancer, soon to be mortgage free, a wonderful adult daughter, you've had a fun fling. On to the next chapter! It didn't work out, he didn't work out, but he's probably been a good distraction and got you back out there. Get on rightmove and start looking for your new pad. I bet you'll feel like a weights been lifted.

isthismylifenow · 09/03/2022 05:35

Initially I was thinking of buying somewhere outright, be mortgage free and change my job as im currently working shifts.

Gosh OP, why would you even risk this by setting up with him. You are in a fortunate position to be able to do this, please don't let someone sway you from your plans.

I am sorry to hear you have been through a tough time, and it is understandable that you want a happy life going forward. But honestly I don't think this is the happy ever after situatuon at all. Always go with your gut feel. Which you have otherwise you would not have posted. It's a good thing to typei it all out, when you read it back you see if from a different perspective. You and your DC are the most important here. It's not up to you to provide a nice big house for everyone, to your detriment

I am not sure how you must have felt when he rejected your proposal, but perhaps now he is going with the thought of, the ball is in his court, as you will wait for him to be ready iyswim.

And its only been 2 years. Have a look at many many threads. Generally people can live under a mask for 18 months to 2 years roughly. Have a think about if anything else has bothered you recently that you just brushed off.

I'm not saying you have to go in and break the relationship off right now. Just step back from the living together part and then reassess the situation with fresh eyes.

All the best 💐

Weatherwax13 · 09/03/2022 05:45

Please don't give any more to this fella. All his ideas are purely for his own benefit, aren't they.
You have the chance to be mortgage free with a less difficult worklife. Or you could provide housing and free childcare for his kids
Which life sounds better?
Fgs don't throw your opportunity away. You'll end up bitterly regretting it.

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