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Difficulty ending relationship, sexual incompatibility, grown apart

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treasure47 · 28/02/2022 21:41

I’ve posted here before so some people may recognise my story but here goes - I’m married to the only guy I’ve ever been with (got together at 18), been together over 14 years, married for 5, we have a young child. For the past year + I’ve been unhappy in the relationship and have considered separation. Nothing is “wrong”, he’s a good person, works hard, maybe not the most hands on father but he’s a loving dad.
I think having a child and the past few years have changed us (me mainly) and I’ve started to realise truths about myself I never faced up to before. For example, I don’t think I’ve ever particularly “fancied” him. I think I did a bit at first, and I did/do think he’s attractive sometimes but I’ve never felt that chemistry with him in that way. Never had that “wanna rip your clothes off” feeling. This is an issue that’s been raised (by him) throughout our relationship and I’ve always just thought that’s the way I am although deep down I questioned this. We’ve never been sexually compatible. We’ve never really had a lot of sex (mainly because I don’t feel like doing it). It’s almost felt like a chore to me at times, or a duty. I could have happily gone without it and just cuddled instead 😅 I remember sometimes after sex (and I feel so sad and ashamed looking back), thinking “ahh that’s done, won’t have to do it again for a while” and feeling relief when I got my period because there’d be a few days where I didn’t feel pressure to do it. He never put pressure on me btw, I always put pressure on myself and it would worry me how infrequently we had sex because it didn’t seem “normal” but again I thought it was just me. There were times I’d feel “in the mood” and it would be enjoyable but those times were not as often. Sometimes I’d feel up for it and then part way through I’d just start feeling like I wasn’t into it and he could tell and we’d stop and I’d just feel awful. Sometimes I’d feel like I wanted him to hurry up and finish so it would be over and I’d have to sort of “zone out”. I’ve never told him any of this obviously, he’d be devastated. We haven’t had sex in over a year and the last time we did I cried afterwards and thought to myself “I don’t want to do this anymore”. Not forcing myself to do it has made me realise that although I love him, I feel like it’s more like how I’d love a family member and I think that’s why I’ve always struggled with the intimate side of things. I’ve always just thought it was okay but I’ve never known any different. I have nothing to compare it to. I’ve often wondered if it was something I could sustain really long term.
I’ve always lacked confidence and I think having a child has made me grow in confidence a bit and made me realise these things. I’ve also been attracted to other men more recently and in a different way. I could never imagine myself having a sexual relationship with anyone else before, the idea terrified me but now I think I could. I got married because for some reason I wanted that before having children and I really wanted children. And I was happy. It felt safe. I know this isn’t good and is unfair on him. I feel terribly guilty about it.

I’ve really drifted apart from him and don’t particularly enjoy spending time with him (he’s not horrible or anything, I just usually choose to spend time alone). I think it’s because I know I can’t be what he needs, wants and deserves. And my needs are different now too. Whereas before I was okay with all that, I’m not anymore. I want to separate but it feels like such an unfair thing for me to do. We’ve spoken about my feelings for a long time (first mentioned it to him over a year ago - not so much the sex side, although I’ve touched on that a little. More just a general growing apart. We have different interests and sometimes seems like all we have to talk about is our child). We’ve had around 5/6 conversations recently where I’ve told him I want to separate but he gets angry and defensive and questions why I married him and started a family with him, and he’s right but how do I explain all the above? I can’t without completely destroying his feelings. After every one of these conversations, he cries, I feel terrible and the next day it's like it never happened. In a way I feel like I'm not being taken seriously. It’s like he just won’t accept it even though things are not good between us at all. I’m not sure I’ll ever be able to have sex with him again, thinking about it now makes me feel anxious. We sleep in separate beds and I much prefer it.
I’m not sure what he’s getting out of the relationship at the moment either.

Maybe I need to be firmer when I say I want to separate but it seems like something I’d want us to at least partially agree on, that that would be for the best, but maybe I’m living in a dream world. I feel sad that I’d be breaking up a family but I also feel that it may happen at some point sooner or later so would have less impact when our child is young. I’ve gone back and forth with this for months. I just generally feel like a terrible person a lot of the time. I’m also absolutely terrified - he’s all I’ve ever known really and it would be a huge life change but I feel like maybe that’s what I need. I used to be terrified of being on my own but I don’t feel like that anymore. Im annoyed at my younger self for not recognising my feelings or listening to my doubts, although ultimately I wouldn't change anything because we have a beautiful child and we have had some great times together.
Any thoughts/advice/similar stories?

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19Bears · 01/03/2022 14:19

Hi @treasure47 I thought I was reading one of my own posts there. I'm afraid I don't really have any advice as I am stuck in limbo like you, and although I know exactly what I need to do, I can't do it. Last week marked 11 years without any intimacy, and I just feel like I'm wasting my life. I'm 45 and who knows what's round the corner, especially now. Neither of us are happy, but he seems content to carry on, and I think that's why we're stuck. I wish I had the answer, OP. Well, I do, just move on! But it's easier said than done isn't it Flowers

treasure47 · 01/03/2022 14:31

@19Bears

Hi *@treasure47* I thought I was reading one of my own posts there. I'm afraid I don't really have any advice as I am stuck in limbo like you, and although I know exactly what I need to do, I can't do it. Last week marked 11 years without any intimacy, and I just feel like I'm wasting my life. I'm 45 and who knows what's round the corner, especially now. Neither of us are happy, but he seems content to carry on, and I think that's why we're stuck. I wish I had the answer, OP. Well, I do, just move on! But it's easier said than done isn't it Flowers
I'm so sorry you're in a similar situation, but it's also reassuring to know other people have experienced this too. Do you have children? I'm sure if we didn't have a child I'd just bite the bullet and do it (although would still be easier said than done). I feel like I'm hurting my child by doing this. I feel like I can't imagine going back to how things were (I was happy but looking back I was also very much "going through the motions" in a lot of ways) and my husband is happy to plod on and is convinced that things will get better, but I don't see how unless I force myself, or don't be myself. It's a really difficult situation!
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major1234 · 01/03/2022 14:32

I know the feeling I have been married to my husband for 11 years and I won't even kiss him period and when I do finally break down and give him some, I'm so mean I tell him to hurry and get it over with I hate him want to leave him, but I don't want to hurt him. I really don't know what to do if I leave him I know he will start drinking again and doing drugs I know I'm the only reason he is clean we have spilt up for a while before and he started drinking and using drugs bad but I don't stand for that shit I wish I could help you but it sounds like you have stop loving him maybe you should stand back and really imagine your life without him an see if you are happier

19Bears · 01/03/2022 14:53

Yes, mine are 14 and 10, and it's always the wrong time. Starting school, changing school, getting towards the end of school, when will it ever be the best time? I would also have walked years ago if it wasn't for them. And at the same time, I'll be eternally grateful to dh for giving me my two best little friends, so I wouldn't change a thing. But I cannot keep living what is an existence rather than a life.
However, people do this all the time, and they're ok in the end...

Shuffleuplove · 01/03/2022 14:58

You know what, you’re not being fair. You’ve said several times how you’ve told him you want to separate and then he cries and then it all carries on as normal. This is YOUR life and your choice and you need to follow through on it, rather than waiting for him to come around to the idea. He won’t, and each time you say this and then let things continue, you’re making it worse for both of you.

treasure47 · 01/03/2022 19:48

@major1234

I know the feeling I have been married to my husband for 11 years and I won't even kiss him period and when I do finally break down and give him some, I'm so mean I tell him to hurry and get it over with I hate him want to leave him, but I don't want to hurt him. I really don't know what to do if I leave him I know he will start drinking again and doing drugs I know I'm the only reason he is clean we have spilt up for a while before and he started drinking and using drugs bad but I don't stand for that shit I wish I could help you but it sounds like you have stop loving him maybe you should stand back and really imagine your life without him an see if you are happier
Oh that does sound like an awful situation for you if he's self destruct like that without you. That's a lot to have on your shoulders 😔 I'm so sorry x
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treasure47 · 01/03/2022 19:50

@19Bears

Yes, mine are 14 and 10, and it's always the wrong time. Starting school, changing school, getting towards the end of school, when will it ever be the best time? I would also have walked years ago if it wasn't for them. And at the same time, I'll be eternally grateful to dh for giving me my two best little friends, so I wouldn't change a thing. But I cannot keep living what is an existence rather than a life. However, people do this all the time, and they're ok in the end...
Yeah as much as I get annoyed at my younger self for not realising fully, I wouldn't change anything because having our son was the best thing I've ever done. I worry that if I don't end it soon, I could feel trapped for years. I also feel sad that I may never be able to give him a sibling. I always thought I'd have 2 children but I can't even think about having another child right now!
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treasure47 · 01/03/2022 19:51

@Shuffleuplove

You know what, you’re not being fair. You’ve said several times how you’ve told him you want to separate and then he cries and then it all carries on as normal. This is YOUR life and your choice and you need to follow through on it, rather than waiting for him to come around to the idea. He won’t, and each time you say this and then let things continue, you’re making it worse for both of you.
You're right. I do need to be firm. That did pretty much happen once and then I think I felt so guilty about it I sort of relented. I know I'll feel horrendous and terribly guilty, I'd just need to work through that which at times feels impossible
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VictorandMaria · 01/03/2022 21:01

Op and 19Bears

So much of your post resonates with me. Yet another one in a similar predicament with young dc. What you said about there never being a right time seems absolutely true. I've hoped for a long time that things will sort out and change back again (and also thought the peri-menopause might not be helping) but it might be the fact that I have changed a bit and really miss an emotional connection. I also agree about distractions - I still think I'm looking to this to divert how I really feel and try to convince myself that by improving other areas of my life thing will be fine. I definitely feel I'm not living authentically but having dc makes things so much more complicated on a number of levels and yes, I am also eternally grateful I have dc so wouldn't change a thing historically.

treasure47 · 01/03/2022 21:10

@VictorandMaria

Op and 19Bears

So much of your post resonates with me. Yet another one in a similar predicament with young dc. What you said about there never being a right time seems absolutely true. I've hoped for a long time that things will sort out and change back again (and also thought the peri-menopause might not be helping) but it might be the fact that I have changed a bit and really miss an emotional connection. I also agree about distractions - I still think I'm looking to this to divert how I really feel and try to convince myself that by improving other areas of my life thing will be fine. I definitely feel I'm not living authentically but having dc makes things so much more complicated on a number of levels and yes, I am also eternally grateful I have dc so wouldn't change a thing historically.

As much as it's awful that other people feel the same, it's so reassuring because at times the guilt makes me feel as though I'm the only one or that there's something wrong with me! The not living authentically thing I can relate to. I think I could be "okay" if I stayed but I'd have to not fully be myself.
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SunflowerTed · 01/03/2022 21:33

Your post is heart wrenching. You both deserve happiness so be strong and end it xx

Aquamarine1029 · 01/03/2022 23:26

You don't need his permission to get divorced. Get out of this nightmare as soon as possible.

Catcrazy83 · 01/03/2022 23:33

He’s the one not being fair, you’ve told him your feeling multiple times, then he emotionally blackmails you.
I suggest you dont tell him you want to separate, you tell him you are separating and then immediately sort practicality’s. Life’s to short!

Closetbeanmuncher · 02/03/2022 00:20

You're going round in circles, and doing both of you a disservice. I don't say this with malice, but for the love of God please grow a spine.

It's the right thing to do; you know it and he will come to me to realise when he sees how different it can be with someone else.

You and he both deserve the chance to experience something authentic.

Time is ticking.

treasure47 · 02/03/2022 08:00

I know I need to just end it. It's taken me a while to get to this point. I'm terrified about the practicalities but if I imagine me and my son in a little house somewhere and me being "okay" financially (I'd obviously be much less comfortable than in a couple) I know I'd be okay. I want to still get on with him for our son's sake, and be able to make decisions together etc but I worry he just won't play ball. Only one way to find out though!
Would the first thing to do be speak to a solicitor? The housing situation is the thing that's mostly on my mind because we'd probably have to sell the house.

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GeneLovesJezebel · 02/03/2022 08:04

You do need to be firmer, or you will fanny around like this for years and lose years of your life.
No fault divorce comes in April. Speak to a family solicitor and prepare. Get your ducks in a row now.

Pinkdelight3 · 02/03/2022 10:09

he gets angry and defensive and questions why I married him and started a family with him, and he’s right but how do I explain all the above?

He's not right. You got together too young and you wanted to marry and start a family with him so it wasn't some big charade, but you've changed, as many people do from 18-33, and you want different things now. You don't have to get into the sexual incompatibility as he either knows it deep down or will never be able to hear/understand it and it already hurts enough. But he has to hear you and not shut you down when you clearly need to go. I don't know if marriage counselling would help at this point as the need is more for him to hear that it's over rather than to work on saving the marriage (which is over by the sounds of it), but perhaps some kind of counselling would help you to clarify your thoughts and stick to your decision when he tries to guilt you into staying.

Shuffleuplove · 02/03/2022 11:04

Yes. Go and see a solicitor and start there. And stop having sex with him. It’s sending mixed messages.

Another2022 · 02/03/2022 11:43

I reckon you need to split for both of your sakes. It’ll be tough though, you still have the love but not the chemistry. Be firm but kind and hopefully he’ll work through it and come out the other side realising that there are women out there that will want and fancy him. Years of you telling him, through your actions and some words, that he’s completely unattractive and not in any way sexy will have put his self image in the bin and trashed any confidence he has in that area of life.

I’m in no way saying this is your fault or blaming you! This happens all the time and it’s crap because you both still care for each other deeply but it’s clear your not going to have your head turned by him again. Have an open and brutally honest conversation with him. Good luck and remember to be kind to each other!

treasure47 · 02/03/2022 11:50

@GeneLovesJezebel

You do need to be firmer, or you will fanny around like this for years and lose years of your life. No fault divorce comes in April. Speak to a family solicitor and prepare. Get your ducks in a row now.
I agree. It scares me how long this could drag out for and I already feel like I've wasted a lot of time "in limbo", although I feel more sure about what I want than I did a year ago for example. As much as I know it's right for me, it's really hard and scary to let go of something that's comfortable even though it's not working, if that even makes sense!
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treasure47 · 02/03/2022 11:52

@Pinkdelight3

he gets angry and defensive and questions why I married him and started a family with him, and he’s right but how do I explain all the above?

He's not right. You got together too young and you wanted to marry and start a family with him so it wasn't some big charade, but you've changed, as many people do from 18-33, and you want different things now. You don't have to get into the sexual incompatibility as he either knows it deep down or will never be able to hear/understand it and it already hurts enough. But he has to hear you and not shut you down when you clearly need to go. I don't know if marriage counselling would help at this point as the need is more for him to hear that it's over rather than to work on saving the marriage (which is over by the sounds of it), but perhaps some kind of counselling would help you to clarify your thoughts and stick to your decision when he tries to guilt you into staying.

He struggles to understand how I've changed "so much" but in my head I'm thinking, yeah I have changed, but it doesn't seem quite as drastic to me. I see it from his side too though, it must be devastating. I remember some friends of ours separated a couple of years after getting married (they had no children) and at the time I did find it so odd and wondered why they even got married etc etc. My experience has shown me that I should never ever judge someone else's life or choices, because I probably did back then and now I'm in the same situation 😕
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treasure47 · 02/03/2022 11:53

@Shuffleuplove

Yes. Go and see a solicitor and start there. And stop having sex with him. It’s sending mixed messages.
We're not having sex anymore, not for over a year now. We don't even sleep in the same bed. What sort of questions would I ask a solicitor? Would they be able to help with things like whether I could afford a mortgage on a new home by myself for example? I feel clueless!
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treasure47 · 02/03/2022 11:58

@Another2022

I reckon you need to split for both of your sakes. It’ll be tough though, you still have the love but not the chemistry. Be firm but kind and hopefully he’ll work through it and come out the other side realising that there are women out there that will want and fancy him. Years of you telling him, through your actions and some words, that he’s completely unattractive and not in any way sexy will have put his self image in the bin and trashed any confidence he has in that area of life.

I’m in no way saying this is your fault or blaming you! This happens all the time and it’s crap because you both still care for each other deeply but it’s clear your not going to have your head turned by him again. Have an open and brutally honest conversation with him. Good luck and remember to be kind to each other!

His confidence really is not great at the moment and I feel so terrible because I feel like it's all my fault. I keep telling him that he deserves someone who's as into him as he is into them. I do care for him and want us to be kind to each other, I think he'll probably hate me for a while though 😔 we're both early 30s so at an age where we could potentially go on to have a life with someone else. I think a lot of people stay in marriages that aren't working, because it's easier and I don't want us to be that.
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GeneLovesJezebel · 02/03/2022 12:00

To start with you get your own bank account, if you haven’t already got one. Very easy to open online.
Then you have your wages and any child benefits paid into it.
Then you make a note of all bank accounts that you have, and his if you can.
Do either of you have a private pension and where.
Do you own your home.
Then you get an appointment with a family solicitor, first chat is often free so ring around.
They will want to know all bank accounts, any savings and investments. They will want to know how much you owe on the house and what it’s approximately worth. They will want to know what pensions you have.
Then they will want to know what you want to do, and what you can expect to get.

GeneLovesJezebel · 02/03/2022 12:01

I am still in my marriage because its easier. I also feel in limbo, waiting for something to happen, knowing I don’t want this for the rest of my life.
You are a lot younger than me, don’t waste any more of your life.

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