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Difficulty ending relationship, sexual incompatibility, grown apart

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treasure47 · 28/02/2022 21:41

I’ve posted here before so some people may recognise my story but here goes - I’m married to the only guy I’ve ever been with (got together at 18), been together over 14 years, married for 5, we have a young child. For the past year + I’ve been unhappy in the relationship and have considered separation. Nothing is “wrong”, he’s a good person, works hard, maybe not the most hands on father but he’s a loving dad.
I think having a child and the past few years have changed us (me mainly) and I’ve started to realise truths about myself I never faced up to before. For example, I don’t think I’ve ever particularly “fancied” him. I think I did a bit at first, and I did/do think he’s attractive sometimes but I’ve never felt that chemistry with him in that way. Never had that “wanna rip your clothes off” feeling. This is an issue that’s been raised (by him) throughout our relationship and I’ve always just thought that’s the way I am although deep down I questioned this. We’ve never been sexually compatible. We’ve never really had a lot of sex (mainly because I don’t feel like doing it). It’s almost felt like a chore to me at times, or a duty. I could have happily gone without it and just cuddled instead 😅 I remember sometimes after sex (and I feel so sad and ashamed looking back), thinking “ahh that’s done, won’t have to do it again for a while” and feeling relief when I got my period because there’d be a few days where I didn’t feel pressure to do it. He never put pressure on me btw, I always put pressure on myself and it would worry me how infrequently we had sex because it didn’t seem “normal” but again I thought it was just me. There were times I’d feel “in the mood” and it would be enjoyable but those times were not as often. Sometimes I’d feel up for it and then part way through I’d just start feeling like I wasn’t into it and he could tell and we’d stop and I’d just feel awful. Sometimes I’d feel like I wanted him to hurry up and finish so it would be over and I’d have to sort of “zone out”. I’ve never told him any of this obviously, he’d be devastated. We haven’t had sex in over a year and the last time we did I cried afterwards and thought to myself “I don’t want to do this anymore”. Not forcing myself to do it has made me realise that although I love him, I feel like it’s more like how I’d love a family member and I think that’s why I’ve always struggled with the intimate side of things. I’ve always just thought it was okay but I’ve never known any different. I have nothing to compare it to. I’ve often wondered if it was something I could sustain really long term.
I’ve always lacked confidence and I think having a child has made me grow in confidence a bit and made me realise these things. I’ve also been attracted to other men more recently and in a different way. I could never imagine myself having a sexual relationship with anyone else before, the idea terrified me but now I think I could. I got married because for some reason I wanted that before having children and I really wanted children. And I was happy. It felt safe. I know this isn’t good and is unfair on him. I feel terribly guilty about it.

I’ve really drifted apart from him and don’t particularly enjoy spending time with him (he’s not horrible or anything, I just usually choose to spend time alone). I think it’s because I know I can’t be what he needs, wants and deserves. And my needs are different now too. Whereas before I was okay with all that, I’m not anymore. I want to separate but it feels like such an unfair thing for me to do. We’ve spoken about my feelings for a long time (first mentioned it to him over a year ago - not so much the sex side, although I’ve touched on that a little. More just a general growing apart. We have different interests and sometimes seems like all we have to talk about is our child). We’ve had around 5/6 conversations recently where I’ve told him I want to separate but he gets angry and defensive and questions why I married him and started a family with him, and he’s right but how do I explain all the above? I can’t without completely destroying his feelings. After every one of these conversations, he cries, I feel terrible and the next day it's like it never happened. In a way I feel like I'm not being taken seriously. It’s like he just won’t accept it even though things are not good between us at all. I’m not sure I’ll ever be able to have sex with him again, thinking about it now makes me feel anxious. We sleep in separate beds and I much prefer it.
I’m not sure what he’s getting out of the relationship at the moment either.

Maybe I need to be firmer when I say I want to separate but it seems like something I’d want us to at least partially agree on, that that would be for the best, but maybe I’m living in a dream world. I feel sad that I’d be breaking up a family but I also feel that it may happen at some point sooner or later so would have less impact when our child is young. I’ve gone back and forth with this for months. I just generally feel like a terrible person a lot of the time. I’m also absolutely terrified - he’s all I’ve ever known really and it would be a huge life change but I feel like maybe that’s what I need. I used to be terrified of being on my own but I don’t feel like that anymore. Im annoyed at my younger self for not recognising my feelings or listening to my doubts, although ultimately I wouldn't change anything because we have a beautiful child and we have had some great times together.
Any thoughts/advice/similar stories?

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treasure47 · 05/03/2022 23:34

@Disneyblueeyes

I know how you feel OP. I've never massively fancied my hubby either. We got together young and my wish to find love and settle down outweighed any of the lust/physical attraction side of things. Now I've 'grown up' I realise this, but the difference is we are best friends and extremely close. We still have sex but he's far more into it than I am. I feel like I've got far more to lose than gain if I leave. We have dreams and goals we want to achieve together.

You're doing the right thing though. It will be sad for you both, but you'll fall on your feet and you'll realise once all that's passed that it was the right thing to do.

That's exactly what happened with me! We always used to have more common interests and have a laugh together but I feel like we've grown in opposite directions the last couple of years. There are other things apart from the intimacy that I know aren't right. My worry is that if I don't do something now it will inevitably happen anyway in a few years time when DS (and both of us) are older so will be even more difficult.
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CheshireChat · 06/03/2022 00:03

Also, what would you gain from staying in this relationship even longer? Not him.

treasure47 · 06/03/2022 07:41

@CheshireChat

Also, what would you gain from staying in this relationship even longer? Not him.
I think my self esteem would probably get worse. I've realised quite a lot about myself over the past year, one thing being that I've been almost a bit methodical in this relationship and haven't always done things because I've felt like it, but because I feel like I "should", which isn't right. Obviously not his fault though and it's really hard/impossible to explain that to him.
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CheekyHobson · 06/03/2022 20:34

Your husband sounds quite emotionally disregulated.

When he experiences difficult feelings (shame, anger, jealousy, inadequacy, etc) he doesn't know how to cope with them/keep control of himself so, he makes you feel 'responsible' for them by saying you 'caused him to feel bad' (ie he wants you to become responsible for never doing anything that results in him having bad feelings).

I imagine that his sexual technique is pretty average so sex is not that exciting for you, but if you ever tried to bring up ways that he could please you better, he acted stung and dramatically upset, so you've backed off bothering and there seems no way to fix your sexual problems. The whole situation where he asked you if you 'self-pleasured' and said it turned him on, but when you said you did, he suddenly got angry and upset and lashed out, so you instantly retreated is a classic example of this dynamic.

You've emotionally distanced yourself from him. Since there's little sexual attraction/connection and little emotional attraction or connection (feeling like you're dealing with a child who can't handle his emotions isn't sexy), it's not surprising at all that you don't want to have sex with him. However he seems to feel that it's an obligation on your part to provide it, regardless of the reality of the emotional and physical connection problems.

It's easy to blame yourself for 'not being physically attracted to him' but when you felt emotionally attracted to him, there was enough 'in the relationship' for you to want sex. I can tell you right now that until he learns to manage his emotions, stop blaming you for his feelings, find confidence in himself and starts acting like a grown man and not a sad little boy, you probably will not feel attracted to him again. That's a lot of work for him to do, so I can see why he feels scared of doing it, but the reality is that it's not your problem to solve.

Lambkin689 · 06/03/2022 20:42

I always thought a marriage was based on promises to never leave nor forsake each other until the day you die, not on whether or not you fancy the person. Feelings and attraction will always change. That's what makes a marriage so different to just co-habiting or dating - it is not based on transitory feelings, but on faithfulness. That's why we make these promises before witnesses. You may well marry someone else and go off him in a few years, because human hearts are fickle. If you want a relationship fundamentally based on attraction and not faithfulness, don't get married.

CheekyHobson · 06/03/2022 21:01

I always thought a marriage was based on promises to never leave nor forsake each other until the day you die, not on whether or not you fancy the person.

She's struggling with sex to the point where dissociating ('zoning out') and crying afterwards. She can't talk about it and try to improve things with her partner because he loses his shit and cries and blames, dismisses and guilt-trips her whenever she says anything that he's uncomfortable with, and your response is to lecture her about her being faithful?

What about her husband's faithfulness to her? What about his promise to faithfully 'love her'? Is it loving to blame and criticise and guilt-trip because he doesn't want to face his own failings? Is physical abandonment within a marriage terrible but emotional abandonment no big deal?

The marriage vows have depth. They are about two partners committing to keep things right within the relationship at a deep level, not just to keep things looking right on the outside.

treasure47 · 06/03/2022 21:02

@CheekyHobson

Your husband sounds quite emotionally disregulated.

When he experiences difficult feelings (shame, anger, jealousy, inadequacy, etc) he doesn't know how to cope with them/keep control of himself so, he makes you feel 'responsible' for them by saying you 'caused him to feel bad' (ie he wants you to become responsible for never doing anything that results in him having bad feelings).

I imagine that his sexual technique is pretty average so sex is not that exciting for you, but if you ever tried to bring up ways that he could please you better, he acted stung and dramatically upset, so you've backed off bothering and there seems no way to fix your sexual problems. The whole situation where he asked you if you 'self-pleasured' and said it turned him on, but when you said you did, he suddenly got angry and upset and lashed out, so you instantly retreated is a classic example of this dynamic.

You've emotionally distanced yourself from him. Since there's little sexual attraction/connection and little emotional attraction or connection (feeling like you're dealing with a child who can't handle his emotions isn't sexy), it's not surprising at all that you don't want to have sex with him. However he seems to feel that it's an obligation on your part to provide it, regardless of the reality of the emotional and physical connection problems.

It's easy to blame yourself for 'not being physically attracted to him' but when you felt emotionally attracted to him, there was enough 'in the relationship' for you to want sex. I can tell you right now that until he learns to manage his emotions, stop blaming you for his feelings, find confidence in himself and starts acting like a grown man and not a sad little boy, you probably will not feel attracted to him again. That's a lot of work for him to do, so I can see why he feels scared of doing it, but the reality is that it's not your problem to solve.

He has a fear of embarrassment, something that has caused issues in the past (he used to talk down to me around friends etc if I questioned anything he said, even if it was really minor). So I think he has a hard time accepting any blame for things going "wrong". Not that I'm putting any blame on him but I do start to wonder if I should place 100% of the blame on myself. Yes anything sexual I think he is a bit sensitive about because he's said in the past I've been too critical (there was probably one moment years ago where I was but other than that I've been encouraging). The emotional disconnect has definitely impacted that side of things. I think as much as it's probably not right to feel like you have to go along with something you're not that into, at the time I was okay with that because we were good in other areas.
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treasure47 · 06/03/2022 21:05

@Lambkin689

I always thought a marriage was based on promises to never leave nor forsake each other until the day you die, not on whether or not you fancy the person. Feelings and attraction will always change. That's what makes a marriage so different to just co-habiting or dating - it is not based on transitory feelings, but on faithfulness. That's why we make these promises before witnesses. You may well marry someone else and go off him in a few years, because human hearts are fickle. If you want a relationship fundamentally based on attraction and not faithfulness, don't get married.
I agree with you in a way and tbh I shouldn't have got married. I actually don't think I was in the best place mentally when I did. I'd never been bothered about marriage and all of a sudden I felt that I needed it. I was incredibly anxious. I know that's no excuse. I did want it at the time, I had high hopes for the future.
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Lambkin689 · 06/03/2022 21:14

@CheekyHobson

I always thought a marriage was based on promises to never leave nor forsake each other until the day you die, not on whether or not you fancy the person.

She's struggling with sex to the point where dissociating ('zoning out') and crying afterwards. She can't talk about it and try to improve things with her partner because he loses his shit and cries and blames, dismisses and guilt-trips her whenever she says anything that he's uncomfortable with, and your response is to lecture her about her being faithful?

What about her husband's faithfulness to her? What about his promise to faithfully 'love her'? Is it loving to blame and criticise and guilt-trip because he doesn't want to face his own failings? Is physical abandonment within a marriage terrible but emotional abandonment no big deal?

The marriage vows have depth. They are about two partners committing to keep things right within the relationship at a deep level, not just to keep things looking right on the outside.

Yes the marriage vows absolutely go both ways!
CheekyHobson · 06/03/2022 21:33

He has a fear of embarrassment something that has caused issues in the past (he used to talk down to me around friends etc if I questioned anything he said, even if it was really minor). So I think he has a hard time accepting any blame for things going "wrong". Not that I'm putting any blame on him but I do start to wonder if I should place 100% of the blame on myself. Yes anything sexual I think he is a bit sensitive about because he's said in the past I've been too critical (there was probably one moment years ago where I was but other than that I've been encouraging). The emotional disconnect has definitely impacted that side of things. I think as much as it's probably not right to feel like you have to go along with something you're not that into, at the time I was okay with that because we were good in other areas.

Honestly, you should definitely NOT be putting 100 percent of the blame on yourself and I actually think you are really minimising your husband's unhealthy behaviours and double standards.

If you say something minor in front of others that makes him feel 'questioned' he will openly talk down to you.

If you say something that he feels is critical (even if it's quite nicely worded) he will lash out angrily in response.

So in his view it's not okay for you to even mildly question him, but fine for him to speak to you condescendingly?

And it's not okay for you to say something he feels is critical of him, but it's okay for him to be angry and defensive and imply that you married him in bad faith?

Do you not see the stark contrast between the standard of 'respectful, kind' behaviour that he expects from you and the standard of 'respectful, kind' behaviour he expects from himself?

treasure47 · 06/03/2022 21:58

@CheekyHobson

He has a fear of embarrassment something that has caused issues in the past (he used to talk down to me around friends etc if I questioned anything he said, even if it was really minor). So I think he has a hard time accepting any blame for things going "wrong". Not that I'm putting any blame on him but I do start to wonder if I should place 100% of the blame on myself. Yes anything sexual I think he is a bit sensitive about because he's said in the past I've been too critical (there was probably one moment years ago where I was but other than that I've been encouraging). The emotional disconnect has definitely impacted that side of things. I think as much as it's probably not right to feel like you have to go along with something you're not that into, at the time I was okay with that because we were good in other areas.

Honestly, you should definitely NOT be putting 100 percent of the blame on yourself and I actually think you are really minimising your husband's unhealthy behaviours and double standards.

If you say something minor in front of others that makes him feel 'questioned' he will openly talk down to you.

If you say something that he feels is critical (even if it's quite nicely worded) he will lash out angrily in response.

So in his view it's not okay for you to even mildly question him, but fine for him to speak to you condescendingly?

And it's not okay for you to say something he feels is critical of him, but it's okay for him to be angry and defensive and imply that you married him in bad faith?

Do you not see the stark contrast between the standard of 'respectful, kind' behaviour that he expects from you and the standard of 'respectful, kind' behaviour he expects from himself?

I see what you mean. It's difficult as he's the only person I've been with, so it's not like I have anything to compare it to. He is generally a good person but he does have insecurities he sometimes has taken out on me. He's always been quite a jealous person. Always worried a bit too much about how his life "looks", and what people think. The sexual incompatibility is something that we've spoken about pretty much throughout our whole relationship, so although I can't really bring that up (because I think it's unnecessary and upsetting), it shouldn't be a complete shock to him. It's not something that's never been a thing and all of a sudden it is. I think it's only with time and growing as a person that I see it clearer now. I think I do blame myself more because I think I perhaps should have listened more to my doubts, as much as I don't regret anything because of our DS. I've had a lot of time to self-reflect and I think he's always been my safe place, I've always felt a bit scared of the world/life, and having a child, I realised that I have a strength in me that I didn't think I had! Or something. I love to psychoanalyse myself 😅 I have definitely grown in confidence - other people have noticed it too. Today we spent most of the time apart and I've felt all over the place emotionally and been thinking a lot about how he must be feeling. When he got home I asked how he was and how his day had been but after that he didn't really speak to me and this evening he was quite bitter "we'll have to wait until 6th April until we can do anything and then there's a 20 week wait so you'll be stuck with me until September I'm afraid". I don't think he's even aware sometimes of how he comes across. When I said to him that it feels like he doesn't care about how I must be feeling and explained how I'd thought about him all day he seemed surprised. I know everyone is always a villain in someone's story and in doing this I am being selfish, but it's for me to make peace with.
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