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I don’t know if our 30 year relationship is coming to an end

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Fairytoast · 26/02/2022 15:02

Or can we save it?
I apologise in advance for the length of this post.
I’ve never been in any other relationship so have no bench mark to set against to measure if this has been a good or poor relationship but it currently feels strained and I just don’t know where to turn.
DH and I have been together for 30 years since we were 17 and 18.
Our 20’s were full of fun, travel and going out, lots of laughter. Our 30’s were raising our children who are now 16 and 14.
The next part of our lives is where it’s started to stain and I am not sure if it is these circumstances which are fraying things?
Our early 40’s were fine but it’s all been a bit shit the last 5/6 years.
My lovely MIL passed away 18 months ago after 5 years poorly with a bowel tumour. DH has just gotten on with things, doesn’t talk much about MIL and that’s up to him as we all grieve differently (although personally I really don’t think he’s addressed his grief). I really miss her so much.
Then my own mum was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s 4 years ago. My dad struggles and is in denial with her diagnosis. My dad is an awkward character (that would be a whole other thread just on him!) and it’s hard for my sister and I. He won’t have any outside help in and so I go in everyday and help. It’s stressful and has taken it’s toll on my mental and physical well-being. I am going to have to insist he gets help in this year.
My ds (16) has had a lot of anxiety over the last few years. It’s started off in the last year of primary and turned out he was scared of secondary school. The first years of secondary were a nightmare. Every morning he refused to go to school and this has gone on until year 10. The school have been of no help, the attendance officer would ring me and insist I get him in. I would say he’s 6 foot tall and 2 stone heavier than me, just how do I do that? No answer or help from them. I would plead with them to check him for dyslexia but they said they couldn’t. They checked him 6 months ago and indeed he has dyslexia (DH would not pay for a private assessment, see below re financial issues). This was the main reason for his anxiety as he was struggling. Eventually I got him some counselling and he has been better. No help from anyone else, dh wouldn’t get involved as he was at work when this happened every morning. He and his family don’t deal well with mental health issues, it’s all controllable according to them!
The stress of recent years have taken its toll on my physical and mental health. I have IBS which is in constant flare no matter how many invasive, uncomfortable tests come back ok I am in discomfort most days which gets me down. I also suffer awful anxiety not helped by the fact I have very low anaemia (had to have urgent infusions 2 weeks ago), I am due to have an op to fix my heavy periods but can’t have it till my iron is up so that is a bit of a vicious cycle.
DH tells me that I am making him miserable, that I am ruining his life because I feel unwell and am depressed. I am really trying to be proactive in getting better, I have had CBT and counselling, I take all the IBS meds and stick to the diets. I don’t just sit and mope, I really try but keeping all these plates in the air is bloody draining.
I feel he is being unreasonable. He doesn’t help with the kids. He never took them out on his own when they were babies/toddlers. Has never helped with homework, never taken any interest in their studies or how well they are doing (he is not academic and has made his money by being practical). He never gets involved with parents evening, never looks at their reports etc. He loves the kids, I do know that for sure but he’s never been a hands on dad at all (just like his own father. Always their physically but not so much emotionally etc).
He works full time and I part time as a PA for a disabled lady.
I have buried this thought for years but I do wonder if he’s a little financially controlling? Obviously he earns much more than I do. All my money is for the kids, I don’t spend much on myself, all their little treats in life are from me.
DH pays all the bills and our mortgage which after all these years is only about £300 per month and for another 3 or so years.
He is a big saver and obsessed about saving loads for his retirement. The kids always moan that we don’t do anything fun. They even say he’s a Scrooge. I need to get a job earning more money to treat them but it’s been hard as I’ve been helping with my mum a d have these health issues going on. DH resents this.
He hates paying out for utility bills and moans like crazy if the kids leave lights on or turns up the thermostat or uses too much water (this all before the recent fuel issues). He works outside so is never cold, he hates putting the heating on. It’s on for an hour in the morning and then comes on around 5pm. He keeps it low or off and insists on a log burner which I hate but he insists we keep it as he gets the logs for free. Obviously makes sense especially with the current fuel crisis but it aggravates my bad sinuses.
He has a smart meter and spends all his time looking at it and tutting!
Martin Lewis is his hero!
Obviously I am painting a bad picture here and I am certainly no angel but he is getting on mine and the kids nerves, they both say he’s changing and becoming more grumpy and mean spirited. He questions everything to do with cost and money. Whatever the kids ask for something or wants to do something fun with friends it’s ‘how much will that cost?’ and the answer is usually no. I end up giving them the money even though I can’t afford it.
Sorry lots of ramblings here but I have so much going on in my head and can not fathom any of it out. I can’t work out if I am genuinely in a shit relationship or this is just a blip because I am pretty sure I still love him but having never been in any other relationship do I even know what love is?
I am so confused.
I would suggest counselling for this but he is totally against anything like that, he is very stubborn and very rarely compromises or would want to see another POV.
Has anyone questioned their long term relationship? I would be so scared to even know what to do. I don’t want to have wasted the last 30 years of my life, I want to save me marriage but certainly don’t want a future like this either.

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Quartz2208 · 26/02/2022 17:56

You poor thing it sounds like you have held it together and now you need him he isnt there.

Do you think he would change because I think it needs him to listen to you in order for your relationship to survive. You cannot keep this up for him - something needs to give

GeneLovesJezebel · 26/02/2022 18:00

He is a big saver and is obsessed about saving for retirement - so is the savings in a joint account ?

GeneLovesJezebel · 26/02/2022 18:05

You want to save your marriage, but he has to as well.
You don’t want a future like this, so you have to be prepared to make the move if he won’t/can’t change.

MerryMarigold · 26/02/2022 18:17

Just as an aside, I had IBS and discovered citalopram nearly cured it!

My dh sounds similar to yours re money. I think you have to say, "I would like to go on a family holiday. It will cost this much..." He needs to be told in no uncertain terms. If he gets shirty, tell him you can't live like that. If you divorce, you can sell the house.

Yellownightmare · 26/02/2022 19:29

He sounds like he'd make anyone feel depressed and anxious. He's not supporting you, he's not supporting the children. He's really a joy sponge. If you don't want to leave him, at least start focusing more on you and finding some joy in your life. Flowers

PS, he won't change!

Fairytoast · 26/02/2022 19:53

Quartz2208* My worry is that I am not sure if he will change, I genuinely don’t think he sees that he is unreasonable.
GeneLovesJezebel No, we have never had a joint account and I am ashamed to say that I have no idea how much he has invested (stocks and shares etc) or in his current account.
MerryMarigold I have just started taking nortriptyline in the last two days, fingers crossed it will help if not I will definitely try the Citalopram.
If I say I’ve seen a holiday etc and it’s this amount, 9 times out of 10 he will say it’s too much. I always have to hunt for the bargains etc. The kids would love to go to Centre Parcs for example but everything is too expensive and a ‘rip off’ in his opinion, so we go without.
Yellownightmare He is tbh but I am too scared to change. 30 years of my life could be down the drain.

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spacehardware · 26/02/2022 19:59

If 30 years of your life are down the drain, chucking the rest of it after them won't make that better

He sounds absolutely awful. What a miser.

tiredanddangerous · 26/02/2022 19:59

How do you feel at the thought of spending the rest of your life with him op? Happy?

toobusytothink · 26/02/2022 20:02

You sound like me 3 years ago. Great fun in 20s, raising kids in 30s then 40s was crap. I made it to 43 before calling it a day. Within 3 months I’d met someone else who has made life worth living again. So in love and happy and looking forward to the next 30 years with him (fingers crossed)

sandwiches77 · 26/02/2022 20:03

Feeling the same OP, my DC are starting to fly the nest, DH are arguing constantly. We too have been together 30 years... not sure how I'm going to cope with the years ahead, i am trying to make an effort but he doesn't seem to be interested

Fairytoast · 26/02/2022 20:08

@tiredanddangerous

How do you feel at the thought of spending the rest of your life with him op? Happy?
The person he was in our 20’s then yes.The person he has been in recent years, no.
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HaggisBurger · 26/02/2022 20:10

Yes. That’s financial control and abusive.

He will only get worse - grumpier and stingier as he ages.

Let him know in no uncertain terms that there must be changes or you will leave. Sadly your children are absorbing the message that a woman in a relationship is not an equal partner and has to scrimp to allow her children some fun. That’s not good. He should be contributing more to them - not less given what he earns.

Ask him to tell you exactly what your joint financial position is. You have a right to know - it’s joint money. Which he will find out soon enough if you file for divorce and have a starting point of 50:50 division of assets …

I have sympathy. Took me many years to see my 23 year relationship was lacking in many many areas. In fairness my ex wasn’t financially abusive at all though. Despite growing up with a Dad who was.

HaggisBurger · 26/02/2022 20:12

“Last 30 years down the drain” is total sunk costs fallacy. It’s more about not wasting the 30 + years ahead!

Fairytoast · 26/02/2022 20:13

spacehardware I certainly don’t want that but I miss the person he used to be and live in hope he’s still there somewhere.
tobusytothink that sounds wonderful, I hope you have many lovely years together.
samdwiches77 I am so sorry you are going through the same thing, it’s so sad isn’t it? I have buried my head in the sand a bit as I don’t want to admit our relationship has turned to shit.

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BigSandyBalls2015 · 26/02/2022 20:15

Do you ever do anything fun together just the two of you. Prob not if he’s so mean.

Fairytoast · 26/02/2022 20:20

HaggisBurger you are right, it pains me to think my kids see that, it affects them so much too. DS has just asked dh if he could have a fiver to go into town tomorrow, I would instantly say yes, dh didn’t answer then said he’ll think about it, still hasn’t answered him, he’ll have to ask and ask until he will hand it over. It’s a bloody fiver ffs! I could ask how much he has but he won’t answer me, he hates me knowing.

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Quartz2208 · 26/02/2022 20:24

30 years of your life wont be down the drain - you have had them learnt and grown from them. Even if you do decide that it is the right thing for you to go on from here without him that doesnt render it all worthless.

spacehardware · 26/02/2022 20:25

"dh didn’t answer then said he’ll think about it, still hasn’t answered him, he’ll have to ask and ask until he will hand it over"

I don't think the man he was in his 20s is still in there, sorry.

sandwiches77 · 26/02/2022 20:27

Fairytoast im trying to keep telling myself that other people feel the same in a long term relationship and it is part and parcel of getting older.

Fairytoast · 26/02/2022 20:28

BigSandyBalls2015 the odd walk with the dog or a mooch around a garden centre! Used to go away for weekends etc but not for quite a few years. Covid and it’s restrictions have been right down his street tbh.

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Fairytoast · 26/02/2022 20:32

spacehardware sadly, I don’t think he is.
sandwiches77 I keep doing the same but I think I may be deluding myself.

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sandwiches77 · 26/02/2022 20:39

Fairytoast OMG are you me?! DH and I walked the dog in silence tonight, how come it still seems to be my fault? Covid has suited my DH too as he never wants to go out either.
I'm kicking myself as I didn't go to a fitness class this morning as wanted to spend time with him, why do I bother?

HaggisBurger · 26/02/2022 20:57

@Fairytoast

HaggisBurger you are right, it pains me to think my kids see that, it affects them so much too. DS has just asked dh if he could have a fiver to go into town tomorrow, I would instantly say yes, dh didn’t answer then said he’ll think about it, still hasn’t answered him, he’ll have to ask and ask until he will hand it over. It’s a bloody fiver ffs! I could ask how much he has but he won’t answer me, he hates me knowing.
God I’m sorry. But you are drawing back the veil. Do you want to live like this?
MerryMarigold · 26/02/2022 21:01

The center parks comment made me 😬. SO my dh. We've never been and our kids are all teens. I do persuade him to cheap Air bnbs. I shop at Aldi and Lidl, I cut my own hair, and he offered to take me for Valentine's because he had a voucher for Zizzi. I'd had pizza for lunch as work ordered it in so I didn't really fancy pizza, so.... We didn't go anywhere! I worry he is going to get worse. I do know exactly how much money we have though in different accounts and I suggest you start with this. Complete visibility. Just say you want to help with budgeting now energy prices and petrol are rising, you'd like to see all the incoming and outgoing each month plus what you have in savings to help any anxiety.

LaurieFairyCake · 26/02/2022 21:14

If you're going to leave you need to find out how much is squirrelled away - you need to do some digging - you need to know where the savings and investments are

I know so many stories of men who have successfully hidden it