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Cannot communicate with DH , I’m so unhappy

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MRS54321 · 08/02/2022 21:08

I’ve been with DH for around 15 years. 6 married, one DC

I’ve often found him to be a “difficult “ man , owing to the fact that he suffers greatly from anxiety , and for years I “let him off “ or normalised his behaviours/quirks/ticks/obsessions ..
Since having DC ,my eyes are wide open to his issues and how deeply they have affected my life.

Amongst the many issues we have, a huge one is communication.
I cannot talk to or ask him about anything without a show down
So I realised for years, I would not even ask him if he knew where my keys where because it just was not worth the effort
But since having DC I now HAVE to rely on him and discuss things: and I just cannot be bothered with him and his “issues” anymore ..

  • recently I’m failing to see anything I like about him , but I’m trying at least whist the DC is young.

I cannot ask him anything when he arrives in form work as “ he’s just in from work!”
if he’s doing another job , he cracks up when he’s disturbed and cannot take any direction
If I ask him to do something which he wasn’t planning , he is unhappy and lists the things that he DOES do..

Tonight, ( after informing me that I’m in a bad mood as soon as he walks in the door-a guaranteed way to actually PUT me in a bad mood) I asked him to fix a messy item in the home ,which he had broken. And I had to establish how much cleaning and where to clean up,after he’s finished. This has lead to an argument : he thinks I’m nit picking or trying to catch him out ( a common reply) when actually, I’m just trying o establish where in my house do I need to defrost because a: the job was gross b: we have small DC and c: he had clearly not thought to do so
I didn’t say any of the reasons ( which I think are quite reasonable ) as he kept cutting me off so I gave up.

He doesn’t like when I ask sweetly/nicely ( I’m condescending) He doesn’t like it when I ask flatly ( I’m not being nice about it)

Often , I have to text him lists of anything that needs done or I need to ask him.
This isn’t a practical way to spend our lives.
Me: tiptoeing around asking something as simple as “ have you seen that letter that was on the ta so yesterday?” or just not asking at all

  • he refuses marriage therapy and also ADHD diagnosis

I’m so deeply unhappy every single day. He is unhappy too, but thinks he’s trying. But it feels like small tokens , so he can carry on and not have to change anything about himself

Any practical advice? Not just “ he’s rubbish leave him” as ever Sad

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19Bears · 09/02/2022 12:27

Oh @MRS54321 every single thing you've said about your DH, and all the responses, I completely relate to 100%. In fact, as I've gone through the thread I've written down notes so I don't forget what I want to say to you. "Just talk to him!" is what my friends and family say to me, but he's literally impossible to talk to. I know exactly what you mean by this. Everything turns into some kind of issue or argument, so I've pretty much given up talking to him. He turns this around on me saying I'm passive aggressive. We also communicate by email. What kind of a marriage is that??!!

Practical tips. The first thing, that someone else suggested, is to keep a journal. If you're like me, so many things happen during the course of another frustrating day, you wake up the next morning and you've forgotten what he's done. You get so desensitized to his behaviour and actions and moods, that you just don't even notice sometimes. I come to work and tell my friend the latest, and she often reminds me that these things are not normal, and that I should not just be brushing it off.

Also, to convince yourself that your feelings are valid and you're not just overreacting to things he's done, please see a counsellor. I felt such a sense of relief when I went to see one for the first time. She said to me, "none of this behaviour is normal in a happy relationship and you do not need to accept it." She also said that normally she would find a couple of things to work on, but that there was nothing in my relationship worth working on or saving. It really opened my eyes. It's just nice to know that you're not going crazy.

About your MIL. Mine is lovely, and she thinks we are happy, and always comments on us being a 'loving couple' when she sends cards etc. Little does she know how much I dislike him, or how little interest he shows in me, let alone the fact we haven't had sex in 11 years. She would be devastated if we broke up, and I hate the feeling that I would be causing that. But!!! If he had kept me happy, I wouldn't have reached this point! I didn't choose to feel this way, it's in response to him and the way he's made me feel like a single mum for years and years. His family is the best aspect of our relationship. They are all great, but I can't live the rest of my life with someone I don't love, just to keep them happy. I think I could still maintain a good relationship with them if we do split. I'm sure you could too.

Sorry if this is a bit disjointed but I'm going by my notes!

My dh also has a spending habit. He's forever buying records on Ebay, and parcels come almost every day. He has a credit card which I know he pays around £70 interest on every month. I've mentioned to him that he needs to transfer his balance to a 0% card, which is straightforward, but he just doesn't bother. If he ever does try to do something like this, book a train, set up an account for something, he can't do it without my help. It's so infuriating. And I've been thinking recently how much he must have saved on travel costs this past two years working from home, whereas I'm still putting diesel in the car every week as I work in an office. As well as this, there's the heating while he's in the house - and I pay that bill!!! And! I tend to pay for the expensive Christmas presents for the kids (games consoles bikes etc, whereas he'll pick up a few cheap football kits on ebay) All of the costs for the kids' everyday things I just deal with myself. I realise I only have myself to blame for letting this happen, but he conveniently keeps quiet about it if he does notice. I'm not sure what the answer is to this. Some people are just compulsive and they can only change if they want to. It's not up to you to mother him.

He also broke our toilet. But it wouldn't cross my mind to ask him to fix it, he would have no idea where to start. If anything needs fixing, I do it, or I get someone to do it. And I bloody pay them! Not that I said a word about this either. He insists on flushing and flushing before the cistern has a chance to fill up, and this eventually led to the top of the cistern cracking and breaking. He's wrecked his end of the sofa. His side of the mattress is collapsed. I could go on. Again, what do you do about that, apart from telling them to stop f*** breaking stuff!!

Sometimes I do suspect he may be on the autism spectrum, but as others have pointed out, it's no excuse for being an arse. He does take antidepressants, but tends to rely on them rather than eating healthy and getting outdoors as he should.

If I showed him this post, he would not recognise any of it in himself. Not a thing.

So please, OP, if you feel anything like me, please start making plans to find the best way to end your relationship. I've delayed and delayed, not in the hope that he'll change as I know he won't. Even though he knows how unhappy I am, he hasn't done a thing to improve it. He still only brushes his teeth once a week ffs. Like you, I tried to be nice about it, tried going down the more insistent route, left it completely, and nothing changes. You can't win. I delay because I worry how my decision to end the marriage will affect everyone else. I am so scared that it will hurt my kids, or that I have to move house and take them away from their home, and send them to stay with their dad somewhere that might not be very nice, to not be with them every day, for them to be upset not to be with me, all the catastrophes whirl around in my mind all day every day. But I am wasting my life. And I'm teaching my boys that it's normal for their mum to go and stand in the kitchen on an evening just to avoid their dad. He's away for a few days and my god the difference! We are so relaxed, having fun, not being bombarded with news and politics on telly, it's so much better.
Please don't think you're letting your dc down by choosing to be happy. You are allowed to be happy, and a happy mum is all any child wants or needs. I hope that counts as practical advice for you! You can't do much about him, it's down to you to sort out where your life goes from here.

Good luck OP xx

Ploppingperp06 · 09/02/2022 14:09

@19Bears

a happy mum is all any child wants or needs

Really? Sexist much? I think children would like a happy dad too and need one of those as much.

19Bears · 09/02/2022 14:17

Of course @Ploppingperp06 I was just referring to myself and OP. I'd love my kids' dad to be happy.

Dogsandbiscuits · 09/02/2022 14:26

@Ploppingperp06
Really? This is what you have picked out from such an honest and heartfelt post??
Who cares if he's happy or not in this scenario, he's an arse and is making her miserable!

CayrolBaaaskin · 09/02/2022 15:19

I don’t know that I really understand how his behavior is “abnormal”. You mainly seem to be making him lists of tasks and nagging him to do them. With my ex I would generally just have done the tasks myself or got a tradesman. Is he a plumber? If not why did you wait in all day for him to come home to fix the toilet? I think if you are making task lists for someone, many people would push back (in his case passive aggressively) on that.

I’m not saying you should stay with him or that he’s in the “right” or some such thing. Just that I don’t get why you are making him task lists. I would be annoyed at my dp if he did that to me.

It may be he is not pulling his weight but perhaps you need to discuss and try to agree a solution. if it can’t be resolved you absolutely should break up rather than be so unhappy.

Toanewstart23 · 09/02/2022 16:10

[quote Ploppingperp06]@19Bears

a happy mum is all any child wants or needs

Really? Sexist much? I think children would like a happy dad too and need one of those as much.[/quote]
How about we start with him not doing the things the OP posts FIRST, as I think that will make the kids happier in the first instance

Then… we can tan about working towards his happiness

MRS54321 · 09/02/2022 17:00

Just ignore Plopping obv just a bored troll

@CayrolBaaaskin omg why I didn’t think of that?
RTFFT

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MRS54321 · 09/02/2022 17:01

@19Bears this is only chillingly familiar…Sad

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MRS54321 · 09/02/2022 17:01
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supersop60 · 09/02/2022 17:56

OP - this sounds awful. The only advice I can give is repeating what counsellors and therapists say - you can't change him, you can only change yourself and the way you react to him. Exactly what that means in practical terms, I don't know. But you can't go on like this for the rest of your life, and you can't allow your child to think that this is how relationships are - or you will screw up their future life as well.
Could you see a therapist on your own?

FunnyGoingsOn · 09/02/2022 18:31

OP, chances are that you will to be in your late 80s or 90s and chances are your husband will too. How do you picture your retirement? What will happen if he is around the house all day and you are no longer busy with the kids and your work (If you work later on).
What if one or both of you have poor health, will you be able to rely on him?

What about your kids when they get older and can see what he is like and what your relationship is like? Are they going to leave home and avoid coming home? Some people have fun happy homes, do,you want your children to have that?
Do you think he is going to improve over time?

I know what I think you need to do and I bet you know too.

If you separate you can provide a happy home and there is no reason your kids can't have a good relationship with their Dad. They might have a better chance of having a good relationship with him if you separate.

whatisheupto · 09/02/2022 21:07

@19Bears what an amazing post. So insightful. I am sorry you are going through this. One day you will be able to leave.

movingon2022 · 09/02/2022 21:49

@howtoleaveit It is never to late to leave. I just left a man like that after being married for 25 years. I could not even imagine how many aspects of my life were affected by his behavior and how much I was suffering until I left him. I live very simple life, not much money to spend, taking care of the house, my grown kids that still live with me and an old dog but I savor every moment of my single-hood like it is a delicious, fancy treat. I LOVE it!

@MRS54321 Do not waste another moment of your life on this person. What he needs may be a therapist or his mother, definitely not a wife. He is a man child that does not deserve you. Life is precious and we all should try to make the best of it, not suffer through it.

Newestname002 · 10/02/2022 03:17

@19Bears

^He's away for a few days and my god the difference! We are so relaxed, having fun, not being bombarded with news and politics on telly, it's so much better.
Please don't think you're letting your dc down by choosing to be happy. You are allowed to be happy, and a happy mum is all any child wants or needs.
^

This ^ is so clear about why you need to take some practical steps to get away from this man who just doesn't care. I really hope you manage to get out, sooner rather than later, and have more of these positive feelings with your children without the dark cloud your husband brings with him. Fingers crossed! 🌹

Tarne · 10/02/2022 04:17

Can I just mention how your DC will be picking up on this. It's very likely he will grow up and treat you the same and his future partner because this is his normal.

Your DH is the biggest influence on your DC's life, not what they say but what they do and every single day they are noticing and watching.

That is why witnessing abusive behaviour and hearing abusive behaviour is all counted as child abuse.

How your DH chooses to behave towards you is abusive simply because he probably doesn't choose to treat anyone else like that

Because you make excuses and learned to change YOUR behaviour to suit his, you have enabled this.

It is extremely toxic and will mess with your mental health and that of your DC.

You need to put your DC and you first, not your mil's!!?

Communicate with him by email only in a business fashion.

Bullet point what is acceptable and what isn't.

Never try to change anyone. Change yourself and how you behave

Stop accepting his behaviour. Stop doing services for him.

No more laundry, cooking, withdraw all services.

Every single one.

That gives you some leverage.

In your email bullet point one aspect of his behaviour at a time with a list of how it makes you feel. The impact it is having. What you have done to improve things. What you are no longer prepared to do. What he is teaching his DC .

Then ask what is his solution?

Give your consequence for each of his lack of actions.

Be clear. I will no longer doing your laundry while you continue to X and mean it.

He has to be inconvenienced or why would he change?

What about childcare? Go out more. Divide up the weekend, one clear day off for you, one for him.

Then put them back one by one if he stops the abusive action but withdraw seevices as soon as he doesn't keep to his side of the bargain .

You will need ultimatums and deadlines or he will think you are bluffing. But write it all down and call a meeting to discuss with time and place.

Don't get angry if he does. Just observe, make notes and shake your head and write that if he cannot discuss in an adult way or be reasonable or rational then he is going to have an appalling influence on your dc and they will need protecting from it .

The most important thing is to be detached, observant and don't bite back as if you are his mental health counselor. Every sentence he says repeat it back to him and write it down.

Do not keep a secret. Let people know what you are going through and email your GP. Tell him he needs to seek help or give him a date when you are seeing a solicitor.

Tell him enough is enough and you feel like you need to have mental health training to live with him and as you are not qualified in that role it is not healthy for you or your DC to be subject to it.

In the meantime properly research your options.

Your behaviour has to change op. Then you will see the results you want or if not, then you know what the next steps are going to be

Good luck

NotAnotherLurker · 10/02/2022 08:53

I would definitely advise some counselling yourself. You can’t change his behaviour but you can change how you react to it and that will give you the breathing space to decide where to go. He can keep sulking but you need the perspective to see the full picture x

19Bears · 10/02/2022 11:19

Thank you @whatisheupto and @Newestname002

As is always the case with these things, I'm painting a terrible picture, and @MRS54321probably thinks she is too, and we feel a bit harsh about it. This is all part of the guilt that holds us back, thinking "it's not that bad really" but if you feel generally unhappy every day, it's not good, and you need to change it. Good luck to everyone in this position. I can't believe how hard it is to just find your way out and make a start xx Flowers

Milomonster · 10/02/2022 13:18

My sympathies. I was married to a man of similar qualities. It was soul destroying. You have to accept you can’t change him. It will erode you mentally. I feel so liberated and happy since being free of him. Parenting is so much easier and I am back to feeling who I used to be. Flowers

Littlelucas · 11/12/2023 09:59
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