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Please help me unravel my relationship mess..

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Anonforthisone567 · 28/01/2022 11:35

I've been with my partner for 15 years. We have no children and we aren't married. We get along really well for the most part and are comfortable with each other and can chat away and do things together with ease.

Our relationship has had its rocky patches too. Recently I discovered he had been using online dating sites - to what extent I don't know. He said he didn't do more than chat, but that doesn't mean it's the truth. Historically I also caught him messaging a girl who wasn't interested, and with a profile on another dating site 5 years prior.

We get on well as friends, we can have really good fun together and be silly, and he is supportive when I need him. But can also be a bit of an idiot in other ways at times. But that's probably the same of most relationships.

He rarely initiated sex with me. I don't think he was the most confident in bed at the best of times. So when I stopped bothering we just didn't do it anymore. There is sometimes hugging and hand holding but no kissing or under the sheets activity.

I was getting a lot of interest from other men which I had always laughed off and not engaged with. But I got close to a married man at work in the same situation. I realised i lonely, invisible and in a flatmate situation at home, and he made me feel like the most attractive person he'd ever met, and was also very sweet.

This developed into an emotional affair and we were texting each other 24/7. My partner didn't even notice. Eventually it became physical which is something I always thought I would never ever do. Eventually his partner got suspicious and we agreed to stop, we haven't seen each other since but do keep in touch as friends less frequently.

I've been trying to figure out what I want and what's best to do. I stayed with family for a week and realised that he and I live together so well, living elsewhere was a challenge learning everyone else's quirks. (We have lived together since I was 21 so for the majority of our relationship).

I found some balls to discuss how I'm feeling with him, admitted getting close to someone else and that for me the trust between us is gone and I didn't know what to do. In his mind he doesn't see us as flatmates in the same way, but he did understand some of my points.

I'm said maybe we should have and open relationship - we both feel things are missing based on choices he has made. He did it first in the relationship, I don't know if he had sex with another girl or not, but when I did it that happened and it was one person whereas he was chatting to several so our stepping out was not one and the same, just different.

We have such a good friendship and there are some relationship qualities there at times, just more platonic than sexual. We live well together, travel well together, get along so well in general. But as it's become platonic things are definitely missing.

But I don't want to rip life apart when we are fine living how we are and he feels even more strongly about not wanting to do that. We have very close combined families (as in friendly, not inbred!) and a strong mutual friendship group. We have grown up together. Have a nice home, shared pets, hobbies we love to do together as well as our own interests.

Am I crazy to think an open relationship could work for us? I can see myself being happy living retired with him in my old age. It's just more intimacy (part emotional, part physical) I need as well to be truly happy. I don't want to lose everything I have to start over and potentially be in the same place with someone else along the line when the LTR and general living together starts flailing, or end up someone even worse down the line.

Is it so bad to acknowledge we cant give each other everything and look at alternatives even if they are traditionally frowned upon? Surely it's better this way than one of us ends up sneaking around again later down the line?

I'd want it to be a 'don't ask don't tell policy' - neither of us needs to know what the other does. I try to be open minded and not black and white thinking. I'm in my early thirties so I need a bit more excitement at this stage, but in my sixties when my priorities and needs adjust, I'm sure I'd be quite content with him and him me.

Can anyone relate to this or has anyone done similar? Just trying to work through this in a way that works for everyone, without affairs/cheating being a risk, where a lot of people get hurt.

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Anonforthisone567 · 28/01/2022 11:38

Aghhh, so many typos in that!

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GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 28/01/2022 11:42

I'd want it to be a 'don't ask don't tell policy' - neither of us needs to know what the other does

Then what would be the point of maintain this facade of a relationship? Why don't either of you break it off?

we are fine living how we are

We;;, you're obviously not. You've had an affair and he's trying to.

What is so scary about living on your own? Wouldn't you rather do that and have some self-respect rather than live this lie?

You don't have kids. You have nothing tying you together other than fear of being by yourself.

RandomMess · 28/01/2022 11:46

Split up and be housemates.

Accept sooner or later one of you will move on with someone else.

Unmumsymofo · 28/01/2022 11:49

Got to agree with green fingers, you are being a coward. An open relationship is not going to be easy in the long run, it will just cause drama, friction and scandal and gossip, as well as the inevitable end of the relationship…rip the band aid off now and save everyone the heart ache

ComtesseDeSpair · 28/01/2022 11:49

Open relationships can work really successfully. Mine does.

I don’t think yours is going to. You’re trying to use it to compensate for lack of sex in your primary relationship, and on the basis that you suspect he’s cheated previously anyway, and you’re totting up who “stepped out” differently by having more other people involved.

What you’re doing is trying to put a sticking plaster on a friendship and comfortable living situation that you can’t imagine losing. It’s not the basis for a healthy, successful open relationship, it’s desperately trying to hang on to a relationship you really know is dead in the water.

GagaBinks · 28/01/2022 11:50

You'll get people on here saying it's an outrageous idea but I think as long as you are BOTH 100% into the idea of an open relationship and have a set of ground rules or something then why not try? I'm sure there's blogs and guides about this kind of relationship online.

It takes all sorts to make a world and not everyone has to conform to the traditional relationship in order to be happy.

Anonforthisone567 · 28/01/2022 11:52

Why do all the replies have to be so brutal? If I had left out the fact that I got close to another and detailed other things he had done it would be totally different responses.

I'm asking for support not judgement. Like I said, we get on well, we can have a real laugh together and chat about most things. I don't think relationships need to revolve around sex so not having it isn't for me a deal breaker to end 15 years of my life, when potentially an open relationship could be an option.

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DropYourSword · 28/01/2022 11:53

Split up and stay as friends and housemates. It sounds like that's basically already what you are without the title change!

Planetzero · 28/01/2022 11:55

Honestly I think that’s a ridiculous idea. I kind of did it when I was in a relationship with an older man when I was in my 20s and I didn’t find him attractive and it was more of a friendship. I settled for a long time and also he deserved to be with someone fully too. Looking back I regret that.

I do think you should end what you have with this guy and live separately.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 28/01/2022 11:56

Why do all the replies have to be so brutal?

Because you're in denial.

we get on well, we can have a real laugh together and chat about most things

I could say this about any of my mates.

You don't have a relationship; you have a friendship. Regardless of who is fiddling with who on the side.

Anonforthisone567 · 28/01/2022 11:58

@GagaBinks

You'll get people on here saying it's an outrageous idea but I think as long as you are BOTH 100% into the idea of an open relationship and have a set of ground rules or something then why not try? I'm sure there's blogs and guides about this kind of relationship online.

It takes all sorts to make a world and not everyone has to conform to the traditional relationship in order to be happy.

Thank you for this. I'm not sure he is 100% into it at the moment but he's listening to what I have to say. To him it's unusual and scary and I think he has a lot of fear/anxiety in general.

I am inclined to agree that not all relationships need to fit the mould. We get along so well, I don't want to become strangers with him. We also have things going on like health issues, shared finances, family issues we are supporting each other with. We might not have sex but we do support each other and we can have a great time in each other's company, and I'm aware of people in 'happier' relationships than ours where they have sex etc and this isn't the case. Also I've become aware of so many people who have been cheated on lately.. at least we have both been open with each other about what we have done and so many other couples will never face up to that.

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Adhdbrainhereagain · 28/01/2022 11:59

What does he think about an open relationship?

If you're in agreement it could work. People do this all the time.

It's not for me at this time in my life, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out in different circumstances.

Spanglemum · 28/01/2022 11:59

You're only 36. An open relationship might work or one or other of you might meet someone else you want to be with full time. I think it's worth a try as the situation you're in isn't that happy.

Anonforthisone567 · 28/01/2022 12:01

@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy

Why do all the replies have to be so brutal?

Because you're in denial.

we get on well, we can have a real laugh together and chat about most things

I could say this about any of my mates.

You don't have a relationship; you have a friendship. Regardless of who is fiddling with who on the side.

I'm not in denial at all. I've faced up to all of the issues and I'm trying to work my way through them. And I'm asking for some support and opinions from other people. You have very strong ones one way, but there is a whole spectrum.
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Anonforthisone567 · 28/01/2022 12:02

Thank you to those of you who don't think I'm batshit crazy for just floating the idea out there Smile

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ComtesseDeSpair · 28/01/2022 12:06

The problem with open relationships where there has already been cheating in the relationship, is that you already know your partner is capable of being dishonest with you to their end away.

Very few open relationships are totally without boundaries, virtually none are in the basis of “do anything you want with anyone regardless of the context.” Most have clear boundaries and rules - such as no mutual friends, or only mutual friends, or sex only but no dating or intimate time together and so on.

How can you trust your DP to keep to anything like that you agree where other lovers are concerned, when you already know that when you were supposed to be monogamous he was happy to chat up and try to have sex with other women behind your back? Why would he have changed?

Anonforthisone567 · 28/01/2022 12:06

I'm also aware that quite a lot of people stay in platonic relationships. There's a whole 'dead bedroom' forum on Reddit after all. So I'm not some freak of nature.

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ComtesseDeSpair · 28/01/2022 12:08

I’m in an open relationship. Most of my friends are in or have at some point been in open relationships. None of the ones which succeed arise out of situations like yours where you’re trying to replace the sex of your sexless relationship and where one of you has previously cheated. It ends up a disaster zone.

Anonforthisone567 · 28/01/2022 12:10

@ComtesseDeSpair

The problem with open relationships where there has already been cheating in the relationship, is that you already know your partner is capable of being dishonest with you to their end away.

Very few open relationships are totally without boundaries, virtually none are in the basis of “do anything you want with anyone regardless of the context.” Most have clear boundaries and rules - such as no mutual friends, or only mutual friends, or sex only but no dating or intimate time together and so on.

How can you trust your DP to keep to anything like that you agree where other lovers are concerned, when you already know that when you were supposed to be monogamous he was happy to chat up and try to have sex with other women behind your back? Why would he have changed?

I'm not sure and I don't claim to have all the answers yet. There would definitely be rules and discussions had. Of course mutual friends would be a no go, I imagined that went without saying but would definitely be said!

I wouldn't imagine it would be a huge public thing for the world to know. Maybe our closest best friends may find out, but I'm quite a private person generally.

I guess I'm just floating it out there. It's more idea than his. He wants to repair things.. I just thought he had a low libido so finding the dating site stuff really hurt as I thought it must just not be for me! But I guess as relationships go on for such a long time, things do change. I do love him, but am I in love with him.. I don't think so. I don't want to rip his clothes off, but I do want to look after him, make him happy, and spend time with him. So it's not as heartless and fake as some of the comments are suggesting.

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ComtesseDeSpair · 28/01/2022 12:13

There would definitely be rules and discussions had. Of course mutual friends would be a no go, I imagined that went without saying but would definitely be said!

But surely when you thought you were monogamous, the agreement was “nobody else” - yet he went on dating sites to chat to and look for and possibly had sex with someone else that you just haven’t found out about.

So how do you trust him to keep to any agreement you set about other people in an open relationship?

ComtesseDeSpair · 28/01/2022 12:17

And if you do go ahead, then imagining that anything should go without saying is an absolute highway to failure. You don’t assume anything doesn’t need to be said, you need to say it. Else a year down the line it’s going to be a whole lot of “well, you never actually said I couldn’t try to get it on with your best friend / sister / boss.”

CanofCant · 28/01/2022 12:19

How would you feel if something developed with someone he was seeing and he left you for them?

I've no personal experience with open relationships but I agree with the comments made by ComtesseDeSpair

Sittingonabench · 28/01/2022 12:23

The thing about relationships and norms is that they put in place an unwritten structure with boundaries you don’t cross as it causes hurt to the other party. I don’t think there is anything wrong with what you’re suggesting but you need to be realistic about what your relationship is and how you both could get hurt/damaged. I don’t think a don’t ask don’t tell policy can ever work as it indicates one party would be hurt by the actions of another. Agreeing not to communicate is rarely going to help. You cohabit well together - is that all you want from the relationship? If so that’s fine but make it clear and be open to talking. What about emotional support? You really need to research and agree what you are both comfortable with

Anonforthisone567 · 28/01/2022 12:31

Thank you for the more balanced and helpful responses. I do see all of your points and we will definitely talk about it. Don't ask don't tell was a thought but I'd be open to looking at things differently.

I know it's ironic to say how could I trust he wouldn't break the rules etc.. but I know he wouldn't do anything with someone we know, and neither would I. I would definitely sure we discussed it all. He did it with strangers because it was anonymous and hidden.. he wouldn't have the balls to hit on one of our friends for a start!

And yes I accept he could meet someone else and leave me for them, that's a risk I'm willing to take, as could I. I had that opportunity and didn't want to take it. But if he does, then everything happens for a reason. I get the impression he wants to chat to women more than go further but who knows. And for me.. I guess I'd just want one person I could be close to, I have no desire to be juggling multiples nor do I have the time.

I still think this is more genuine than people engaging in hidden affairs while pretending everything is fine or burying their heads in the sand. That is far more fake in my opinion.

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ComtesseDeSpair · 28/01/2022 12:53

I still think this is more genuine than people engaging in hidden affairs while pretending everything is fine or burying their heads in the sand. That is far more fake in my opinion.

I find this really quite sad, and it speaks to what I’d guess is your lack of self esteem and low confidence. These aren’t the only options for a relationship, to be sexless or to accept that you’ll probably be cheated on anyway so you may as well legitimise it. You’re 36, not 96: you can meet somebody who adores you and who you adores and who you have the same bond and friendship and partnership and wonderful home life that you think you have with your current partner - but who also fancies the pants off you and tells you so every day and wants regular sex with you (whether that be in a monogamous or non-monogamous relationship.) There are relationships like that out there. Mine with my DP is. Why do you not think you’d be able to or worthy of one?

Anyway, in conclusion, take away and mull on the following: What if he wants to have several other women on the go rather than just one person, as you think would satisfy you? And to date as well as just have sex? What if he wants to take them to all the places you and he go together for special occasions? Your favourite restaurants, where you went for your anniversaries? What if he wants to go on holiday with one of them? And do so using up annual leave which he then can’t spend with you? Can they have sex which involves the acts or positions you and he never did together because you don’t like them? If not, why not? Can they have unprotected sex?

These are all things you’ll need to talk about with each other and be really clear and open about. You need to trust the other, trust that they’ll stick by whatever you’ve agreed, and know that they’ll always have your interests at heart. If that sounds hard, an open relationship is off the cards.