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Can I get the friendship back after a transgression?

77 replies

OnMakingMistakes · 13/01/2022 21:01

Ok so there’s some context which I am going to describe. I really want some advice, I know bits of this are wrong but as many recent threads have said, life’s not black and white so please be kind.

I’m married. Not a great relationship, there is a lot of work stress and other stress due to extended family complications. We’ve been together 20 years, talked about splitting but both not quite brave enough, I think. So, the usual. Lacking connection. We have friends where we live but mainly me who makes the effort to see them (by myself or as couples), plan holidays away etc.

‘New’ guy started at work. Married. We get on well, have lots in common. Definitely a connection between us on a personal level but we have never socialised beyond work events. I think our friendship grew during lockdown when we’d have long chats on the phone but I’d also have similar chats with female colleagues when everyone was isolated, and other male colleagues too. All ‘above board’ but friendly.

Recent work night out, and we decided to leave the group and kissed. Went home separately. Absolutely not proud of what we did, but it happened. Fast forward to a few days later and we met up to talk through what had happened. Agreed it was a mistake and that we have a connection but that marriages/kids are more important. But, that we mean a lot to each other in terms of friendship.

Fast forward a bit more and now it’s weird. I just want my friend back but don’t know how to do that whilst respecting the boundaries that we agreed to post-kiss. It’s awkward and I don’t want that, I don’t want to wave goodbye to what is an important friendship. I feel a sense of loss at the idea that we won’t be able to be friends, in the same way that I’d feel if one of my other friends moved away or similar. This isn’t about wanting an affair, it’s about reclaiming my friendship. But I don’t want to make him feel uncomfortable, or put myself in a position where he draws a firmer line than I am expecting. On the other hand, if I hang back too much I risk losing the friendship altogether.

I am considering suggesting another coffee so we can talk it though again. I think I just want to be honest and see how he sees friendship working, if at all.

What I’m finding really hard at the moment is being in no man’s land and a bit lost.

Has anyone been able to reclaim a friendship in this situation? I know lots of people will say I’ve no right to expect that, and I don’t.

But I also know that my friends are really important and I’d really like him to be one of them. You’re a long time dead and I don’t want to turn my back on a solid connection if I don’t have to.

[awaits flaming, hopes for some balance]

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blue30 · 13/01/2022 21:19

I would say back off for a while to reset the boundaries and get some perspective on where you're head is at and what you really want.

OnMakingMistakes · 13/01/2022 21:48

Thanks, do you mean in terms of my marriage and what I want?

I know I don’t want to have an affair, the guilt from a drunken kiss is pretty horrendous.

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TheReluctantPhoenix · 13/01/2022 21:56

I am not convinced this is friendship and not infatuation (on either side).

You are trying to put yourself in a position where you can ‘accidentally’ fall into an affair. Not nice or fair on your husband (and children).

Rather than meeting the OM for another ‘chat’, either recommit to your marriage or positively split up with your husband.

OnMakingMistakes · 13/01/2022 22:06

Yes I can see that reading it back it’s not great. What are the hallmarks of infatuation?

I categorically don’t want an affair. I do want the friendship, and I do want him in my life. Like other friends.

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Whatabambam · 13/01/2022 22:06

You don't want to find out if you still have a friendship, you want to know whether he has feelings for you. You are deliberately lying to yourself so that you can test the waters and step further into the affair.

OnMakingMistakes · 13/01/2022 22:12

Nope, I know he has no intention of repeating the mistake and I know he is resolute on that. The boundaries are definitely there. What I do want is to work out what the friendship bit means. I just don’t like the uncertainty that it might have ruined the friendship we did have.

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SunflowerTed · 13/01/2022 22:12

You want an affair. Be honest with yourself

todaysdilemma · 13/01/2022 22:13

Thing is, OP, it will never be a friendship. Friendship requires there to be no sexual attraction, to be completely platonic - that's what separates it from a romantic relationship. Even worse if the attraction is so strong you've both acted on it.

I think you want to have your cake and eat it too, which is human. But I think what you want from this 'friendship' isn't realistic, because it all hinges on a deeper, more intimate connection and it will always muddy the waters and cause conflict for both of you. You are better off making a decision on your marriage, and taking space from him while you figure out how to navigate your life. It feels like you want him on the back burner for when you finally decide to leave your husband.... so it's dangerous territory as you will end up hurting him, or your husband or both. And ending up with neither in your life.

Ask yourself, how would you feel if you see him with a partner, kissing her, being romantic with her, being happy with her - if you can honestly answer that it wouldn't bother you then you will be able to have a friendship. If you'll feel jealousy and sadness, then you won't.

Take space, figure out what to do about your marriage and if you decide to leave, you can work on developing a romantic relationship with him. If you decide to stay, you'll need to stop the friendship to stop an emotional affair.

Onthedunes · 13/01/2022 22:28

@SunflowerTed

You want an affair. Be honest with yourself
Stop lying to yourself.

You fancy him like mad and want him to profess undying love as he was so knocked out and bowled over by the kiss and then you can bat him off, or maybe not.

Your ego is taking over.
Stop being selfish.

OnMakingMistakes · 13/01/2022 22:32

Infatuation, emotional affairs these are all blurred lines, right?

Even if I leave my marriage, I won’t be working on a romantic relationship with him given he’s married and I already regret what happened for his sake and mine.

I would be genuinely sad if I lost him out of my life though. I’m not jealous of his wife. He talks about her and they
sound happy (and he is not at all negative about his wife, he talks about their life as you do with friends, maybe the odd mid-life grumble) , but I don’t feel envy for her.

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Onthedunes · 13/01/2022 22:33

Why are you worried about this friendship.

Shouldn't you be more worried about decieving your husband or this man's wife, how does she feel?

It's all about you, isn't it?

Shoxfordian · 13/01/2022 22:36

Some things can’t be undone; you’re not his friend. Put all that emotional energy into either fixing or ending your marriage not chasing after this infatuation

OnMakingMistakes · 13/01/2022 22:41

The post is about me, yes. I haven’t decided my husband, he knows I made a mistake. There is whole mountain of context in terms of his emotional availability but I specifically came on to ask about the friendship and if anyone had managed to navigate a similar situation.

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OnMakingMistakes · 13/01/2022 22:41

*deceived

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OnMakingMistakes · 13/01/2022 22:42

In terms of kindness, thank you @todaysdilemma Smile

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 13/01/2022 22:42

Actions have consequences. Some things can't be undone and this is one of them. The grass is greener where you water it and all that. Whether that's your relationship or just spending some time on stuff unrelated to this man I would really recommend just moving on from him. The friendship has been spoiled. It doesn't exist any more as both your actions ended it. I say this as gently as I can... you need to get over it.

Onthedunes · 13/01/2022 22:43

Leave him aone, he's told you you're not good enough to steal him away from his wife.

What more do you want, is he useful to you in other ways?

For all you know he could be laughing behind your back talking to his friends about how easy you are.

Not nice but that's what some men do, especially men who are capable of having emotional affairs and kiss ow behind their wive's back.

I wouln't trust him, you think he's nice, I don't think you know him properly.

End the friendship before you humilliate yourself.

MondeoFan · 13/01/2022 22:45

I feel you are getting a hard time here Op.

I think you could possibly get the friendship back. I know others this has happened to.

How often would you speak normally?

I'd be inclined to leave it for a bit then see what happens. When you met up after the kiss how did he seem?

Serenschintte · 13/01/2022 22:45

You are not friends. Either he fancies you or you fancy him. So there isn’t a friendship
Sorry to be blunt.
You are married. He is married.
This is dangerous to his marriage and yours.
I wish you well.

Bananarama21 · 13/01/2022 22:47

Do you feel remotely bad about his poor wife? It's all about what you want.

CPL593H · 13/01/2022 22:47

I think you are deluding yourself that this is 'just' a friendship and you can go back to how it was before you crossed a line. You can't. The best thing you can do IMO is stop worrying about retaining a connection with him, stay away from him and start making some decisions about your marriage, which sounds on its last legs with the only thing keeping you together fear of the unknown.

todaysdilemma · 13/01/2022 22:48

@OnMakingMistakes

Infatuation, emotional affairs these are all blurred lines, right?

Even if I leave my marriage, I won’t be working on a romantic relationship with him given he’s married and I already regret what happened for his sake and mine.

I would be genuinely sad if I lost him out of my life though. I’m not jealous of his wife. He talks about her and they
sound happy (and he is not at all negative about his wife, he talks about their life as you do with friends, maybe the odd mid-life grumble) , but I don’t feel envy for her.

But the friendship with you is what has caused him to do something hurtful to his wife. So it is clearly a toxic friendship in the sense, it has messed with both your heads and brought out negative traits in both of you. Also, if he does love his wife as you say, you may not really get a say in carrying on the friendship as he may decide he doesn't want to jeopardise what he has. And he could decide that at any point. So to answer your question, getting over a transgression like this is nigh on impossible because the friendship will always be associated with guilt and secrecy, and unless it turns into an affair, it has nowhere left to go.
BootySOS · 13/01/2022 22:50

I just don't think you need to talk about it again. It happened. Neither of you want to pursue it.
So don't dwell on it.

I don't think this has to be the end of your friendship at all. Just act as you were before but less intense.

Closetbeanmuncher · 13/01/2022 22:51

The line has already been crossed so no leave it alone.

There is nothing further to talk about, he's not your friend hes a colleague you kissed, probably looking for an ego boost same as you. Quit the hand wringing and put the energy into improving your marriage.

blue30 · 13/01/2022 22:57

@OnMakingMistakes

The post is about me, yes. I haven’t decided my husband, he knows I made a mistake. There is whole mountain of context in terms of his emotional availability but I specifically came on to ask about the friendship and if anyone had managed to navigate a similar situation.
I know quite a lot about blurring the lines with a ‘friend’ whilst with an emotionally unavailable partner. Being deeply, desperately starved of connection and closeness made me blind to what I was really after from this friend. I swore blind to my partner and myself that the friend was just a friend etc and I believed it. I wish I’d dealt with everything in a clean way without making everything worse and taking the focus off the real problems by becoming the bad guy.
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