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WWYD - not married but dp wanting to regard finances as combined

85 replies

HooverItUp · 10/01/2022 17:17

have name changed as his family on here!

we have been going out for around 6 years, living together for 4. He moved into my house. We are both early 50s. I am a high earner and have always earned significantly more than him. He used to have a very good job which he lost in 2019 and then his industry was destroyed by Covid. We don't combine our finances but we do have a joint account where we buy things like food, takeaways, trips to the vet for the animals etc. His contribution was to put a small amount of money into that account each month representing the fact that my bills were higher with him living with me. I then put a larger amount in each month and topped it up if the account ran dry.

He has masses of outgoings meaning his disposable income has always been low and he had v little savings. When he lost his job (late 2019) he got into financial trouble v quickly and started taking money out of the joint account for his own expenses. I stopped him at that point and said if this was going to be a permanent thing, we needed to agree an amount (a limit to what he could take) and a timescale after which it had to stop. He agreed to both things. He still pays for the mortgage on a property he owns which is due to be sold this year (he owns it jointly with his ex and there is a court agreement to sell it now their youngest has moved out). His equity in the house easily covers the debt he owes me.

Over the last 2 years, he has had sporadic employment, about half the time he's been able to meet his own costs, the other half of the time he's needed to 'borrow' money from me. He has finally found out this weekend he's got a permanent job he applied for and for the first time in ages, he will have disposable income. I must say at no point did I ever feel he was taking the piss - he worked as hard as he could, looked for a job as hard as he could and took what work he could get.

I'm v pleased for him and obviously for me too but we had a discussion this weekend about how much he would begin to pay into the joint account and whether he would start paying any of the debt back and he said that his plan is to pay all the excess into his pension because he hasn't been able to pay into this for 2 years and it's the most tax efficient way. He is right in terms of the tax efficiency. His argument is that our retirement plan is made up of 3 bits - 1, selling my house and downscaling and the released equity forms part of the money we live off/invest plus the remaining equity in his house, 2 his pension which is far larger than mine already (he had far more generous ex employers than me!) and 3 my pension which is v small in comparison to his.

So he argues that by paying into his pension he is effectively benefitting us both as it is part of the overall plan. He's right but it leaves me very exposed if we break up. He says there is a debt agreement for the amount he owes (there is) and that this is just an efficient use of money. I just feel resentful that after supporting him for 2 years, he doesn't seem to think that contributing to day to day costs is a priority especially as I won't have visibility of what is going into that pension (or not as the case may be).

He feels that there needs to be trust in this relationship or what's the point and he feels hurt that he's suggesting something that he feels will benefit us both (albeit in the future).

WWYD?

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HollowTalk · 11/01/2022 13:30

I'm horrified reading this! He saw you coming, didn't he? Of course he wants to marry you! Thank god you don't want to do that.

AubadeIsIt · 11/01/2022 14:02

You say you've been married in the past and dont want to divorce again, but who's to say you would? Maybe he genuinely loves you and won't leave you in ten years? Is he asking to contribute to his pension as a reaction to you saying you don't want to commit fully?
Isn't supporting a partner with whom we plan the future normal when they lose their job? Does this make him a freeloader? I just wonder how people would respond if you were the man in the situation and he was the woman. Not the same, likely (and yes, regardless of whether children are involved).

workshy44 · 11/01/2022 15:55

Its amazing on these boards, when the guy has everything they have zero interest in getting married despite kids and proclamations of love. Yet when the women is wealthy they can't wait to rush down the aisle
I would have it out with him, his reaction will tell you everything you need to know as you are being entirely reasonable and have been incredibly supportive and generous.

BurntToastAgain · 11/01/2022 16:01

I can’t believe people are saying you should get married. Marriage benefits the financially weaker party. That’s is not you.

You have housed this man for years (so that he can continue to house his ex and child). You’ve lent him money to cover his shortfalls. You’ve shown that you can be fair and committed.

It’s obvious why he wants to marry you. Don’t marry him!

PerseverancePays · 11/01/2022 16:59

Without being married, surely if he falls under a bus, his large pension goes with him, or to his children.

BurntToastAgain · 11/01/2022 17:03

@PerseverancePays

Without being married, surely if he falls under a bus, his large pension goes with him, or to his children.
Depends what’s in his will.

But still, being married isn’t a benefit to someone with their own assets and higher earning power.

tara66 · 11/01/2022 17:51

As PP has said - him building up large pension pot is not going to benefit you if he passes away young (or does it)? How can you be sure you would benefit in all circumstances re. his large pension (if not married)? Don't let him emotionally blackmail you with him being ''hurt'' by you not agree to his plans - which are not great for you.

billy1966 · 11/01/2022 20:14

@Workin8til6

You did trust him when you lent him all that money. Now he needs to show you that you were not an idiot to do so, and pay it back. Direct to you. After he’s done this he’s free to do whatever he wants with his spare cash providing he is paying his fair share towards bills.
This.

That he would think such a suggestion of paying his debt to you into HIS pension instead of repaying you is beyond stunningly entitled.

I would insist every penny is repaid and indeed paid into YOUR pension.

Don't get married.

There are far too many trusting women on MN that have it come back and bite them in the arse.

He is absolutely thinking of himself and that would make me very suspicious of his real motives.

Get that money back.
Stop contributing more to the joint account.
Stop subsidising him.
Stay unmarried.

Stay wary.
Too many aren't.
Flowers

billy1966 · 11/01/2022 20:17

I can't believe that you have a man living with you, paying very little to you, in effect living off you, whilst you have a small pension.

You need to fix this promptly.

Things like health can change in your 50's, sort out your pension as a priority.

Dillydollydingdong · 11/01/2022 20:30

Can't you suggest that all that money gets paid into your pension pot, not his? That would even it up a bit!

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