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It's not actually a "man thing" is it?

76 replies

Howdoesit · 15/12/2021 06:19

Each year I simmer in resentment around this time of year as all the mental load of Christmas falls to me. And then he has the audacity to tell me it's my "turn" to do elf on the shelf on alternate nights to him.

He hasn't thought of, bought, budgeted, wrapped a single present. He looks bored each time I involve him in a conversation about it. I've sorted out all of the school related Christmas stuff- jumper day, Christmas raffles, cards, teacher presents, returned all the reply slips around school nativities, nativity costumes. But if I try to talk to him about any of this, he's completely disinterested. I feel alone in it all- in all the drowning work of everything.

He was very vocal in arranging a boxing day party for our families, but planning the food and inviting people has all fallen to me. Engaging him in conversation around the planning is an errand in itself too. Visits to see Santa, friend meet ups have all fallen to me. So the one thing I refuse to do is to think or buy for his family. He hasn't even started yet, but that's his problem.

I work for myself so Christmas is a lonely build up for me as there are no office buffets, christmas nights out or drinks in the pub. He seems to just attend event after event, soaking up the good bits of Christmas like a big selfish manchild.

I know as a society, we joke about men's contribution to the Christmas load. I'm seeing memes on social media all the time. But I'm actually learning that it's not a "man thing" at all, it's a "selfish man thing." After speaking to friends, their husbands have been involved in present planning, they have been Christmas shopping with them, some of them have even been Christmas shopping on their own for their kids. Other couples seem so much more of a team than we are, even when the female takes on the bulk of the load.

I'm sharing my observations and am interested in other people sharing their balance. Each year he tells me that he will take more on, but each year, he moans about how busy he is at work and is seemingly unable to juggle anything else. To top it all off, I am able to work from home, so during all of this, I've had my kids at home with me whilst working for days since September as they have picked up every illness going, whilst he just flounces off to work.

Perceptions of his family don't help. I mentioned infront of his mum and sister that he leaves everything to me and I was told it's a "man thing." It's not though, particularly when you then learn that it's FIL who orders the DCs Christmas presents each year and not MIL!!

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Mumof3confused · 15/12/2021 06:23

It’s not a man thing. I do feel for you, it’s so hard.

MrsFin · 15/12/2021 06:26

Same here, but I don't mind. It means I get to do it all my own way. I enjoy entertaining too and don't find it a burden

Harlequin1088 · 15/12/2021 06:27

He sounds like a selfish tosser and I'd be willing to bet Christmas isn't the only area of your life in which he's selfish.

You're absolutely right not to do anything about his family's Christmas presents. Do not cave on this point. Even when the inevitable panic sets in on Christmas Eve when he realises he hasn't got anything, wrapped anything, etc for them. When he's empty handed on Christmas Day for his family, let him be the one to explain why.

My ex-husband used to do this and leave everything to me to sort out (all year round, not just Christmas) and it was almost as though he just expected to swan through life with me as his personal secretary to arrange his life admin for him. Erm, no.

couchparsnip · 15/12/2021 06:30

You're right, he's selfish. But it's clear where he's got the idea from. He's probably been spoiled by his DM and sisters.

GoodnightGrandma · 15/12/2021 06:31

It’s not a man thing, it’s a him thing.
And next time he wants a party, tell him that he has to organise it. Don’t do a thing for it.

Howdoesit · 15/12/2021 06:32

@couchparsnip

You're right, he's selfish. But it's clear where he's got the idea from. He's probably been spoiled by his DM and sisters.
Yes and allowed to be lazy all his life.

He seemed so different when we met. I regret marrying so quickly as he soon dropped the act and I've been lumbered with varying acts of selfishness since.

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Sundancerintherain · 15/12/2021 06:33

Well, he is an arse, obviously.

How can he be organizing a Boxing day party if it's you who is sorting the food and inviting people? Is he buying party poppers and making a mix tape?

thelegohooverer · 15/12/2021 06:37

I don’t think you’re likely to receive the validation you’re seeking from his dm. And I’m wondering if the reason you’re mentioning it to her is that you feel she is somehow responsible?

Women are NOT responsible for men’s selfishness. As an adult, he is not a helpless, passive product of early conditioning; he’s a selfish git happy to take the free ride.

FallonCarringtonWannabe · 15/12/2021 06:37

Youre absolutely right. It is a selfish man thing.

Certainly let go of even thinking about his side of the family’s gifts. And also stop taking over boxing day. If anyone asks about it refer them to your dh. Do nothing.

thelegohooverer · 15/12/2021 06:39

Or if we have to blame his upbringing why did fil not kick his lazy ass into gear?

FallonCarringtonWannabe · 15/12/2021 06:40

@couchparsnip

You're right, he's selfish. But it's clear where he's got the idea from. He's probably been spoiled by his DM and sisters.
It sounds like you're saying an adult man cannot possibly act like an adult because of how he was spoiled as a child???

What you mean is, his mum and sisters have also been conditioned to believe men cannot possible take on any responsibility at home. And he is cashing in on that.

historygeek · 15/12/2021 06:40

Sorry, not a man thing. DH has bought all of DS's gifts. To the point where I don't really know what he's getting. We will share the cooking on Xmas day, but he will probably do the shopping for it.
I do the social calendar and sort DS's school stuff. We both work full time.

Kbyodjs · 15/12/2021 06:40

I hate the “it’s a man thing”, my mil uses it all the time to excuse what is bad behaviour.
Pre DC me and DH used to be even in how we split Christmas including with his DSD; since having DC all their stuff seems to have managed to fall to me (I blame maternity leave in a way as it gave me the time to take it all on in the first year and the habit stuck). I do now push back though and DH is part of planing and things

Howdoesit · 15/12/2021 07:00

"What you mean is, his mum and sisters have also been conditioned to believe men cannot possible take on any responsibility at home. And he is cashing in on that."

I would agree with this @FallonCarringtonWannabe

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Howdoesit · 15/12/2021 07:02

Maternity leave is possibly where it all started here too I think @Kbyodjs then it falls to us forever.

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CoverYourselfInChocolateGlory · 15/12/2021 07:30

It's not a man thing. DH has done all gifts for his family, most of DD's gifts, has organised most of DD's activities this month and is in charge of desserts over Christmas. I am doing more, but we are with my family. He would do anything I asked him to.

GrumpyLivesInMyHouseNow · 15/12/2021 07:35

If he's suggested a Boxing Day activity and informs people I'd simply hand over the reigns for this to him.

layladomino · 15/12/2021 07:53

Seriously I would hand over the Boxing Day gathering to him. That is entirely reasonable as a) it was his idea, and b) you're doing everything else. So tell him today - you are so overwhelmed with everything else (list it if you need to) that you're handing that over to him. Then genuinely leave him to it. Just like he does to you.

Lasttraintolondon · 15/12/2021 07:59

It's nothing to do with his gender and everything to do with his personality.

sassbott · 15/12/2021 08:08

Yeah you have a husband problem. And it’s highly likely that his family is part of the reason he has this level of entitlement and this dynamic exists. He of course could make different choices, but why would he? He has you.

Why would he make his life harder when he can tell you what needs doing and it gets done.
If you want this dynamic to change, stop doing stuff. He wants a Boxing Day party? He’s in charge, of food, invites, organisation and then operation clean up.

Sorry to say, but in running around getting everything done for him, you are also part of the problem. Just stop.

lottiegarbanzo · 15/12/2021 08:11

Well of course his family say that. That's the attitude that made him what he is.

You need to get better at shrugging off the assumption you'll do more. He wants a Boxing Day party? You let a few key people know that he is organising one (getting your defence in first) and let him get on with it. Wait until he asks for your help with a specific detail. Then look bored, say you're busy and wander off.

Yes, we are much more of a team than you, as are most people I know.

The women coupled with 'boys will be boys' lazy child-dads are people I pity, in a slightly uncomfortable way, as our lives and social realities are so different, so tend to distance myself from a bit, so that we can all go on believing we're normal and gaining the affirmation we seek (and to ensure I never actually say out loud 'your problem is that your husband is a lazy selfish man who loves himself a lot more than he loves you'). Because I recognise that won't actually help. And yes I'm thinking about a particular couple with that one. With many others, probably yours, it's the lifelong training that created him and a willingness to see that and to re-train that's required.

You might enjoy the Facebook page 'The Man Who Has it All', a play on the idea of women 'having it all' and what that looks like in reality. Their Christmas task lists are at once breathtaking in their absurdity and truthful.

Santahatesbraisedcabbage · 15/12/2021 08:14

Well seriously if you have shopped for his family isn't that your choice? If they got nowt you can blame it on a man thing...

Shedmistress · 15/12/2021 08:21

He arranges a boxing day event so he sorts it out.

Just stop running around being his support human.

PrincessPaws · 15/12/2021 08:21

My DH has done all of the shopping and wrapping for just (much larger family), we have collectively planned everything and will supermarket shop together, but I have ordered (and will collect) the special bits and the Turkey, he will do the majority of the cooking on the day and I will help prep everything. So no it's not a man thing, it's a selfish man thing!

I'd cancel Boxing Day, or hand the reins to him

PrincessPaws · 15/12/2021 08:23

His not just!