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It's not actually a "man thing" is it?

76 replies

Howdoesit · 15/12/2021 06:19

Each year I simmer in resentment around this time of year as all the mental load of Christmas falls to me. And then he has the audacity to tell me it's my "turn" to do elf on the shelf on alternate nights to him.

He hasn't thought of, bought, budgeted, wrapped a single present. He looks bored each time I involve him in a conversation about it. I've sorted out all of the school related Christmas stuff- jumper day, Christmas raffles, cards, teacher presents, returned all the reply slips around school nativities, nativity costumes. But if I try to talk to him about any of this, he's completely disinterested. I feel alone in it all- in all the drowning work of everything.

He was very vocal in arranging a boxing day party for our families, but planning the food and inviting people has all fallen to me. Engaging him in conversation around the planning is an errand in itself too. Visits to see Santa, friend meet ups have all fallen to me. So the one thing I refuse to do is to think or buy for his family. He hasn't even started yet, but that's his problem.

I work for myself so Christmas is a lonely build up for me as there are no office buffets, christmas nights out or drinks in the pub. He seems to just attend event after event, soaking up the good bits of Christmas like a big selfish manchild.

I know as a society, we joke about men's contribution to the Christmas load. I'm seeing memes on social media all the time. But I'm actually learning that it's not a "man thing" at all, it's a "selfish man thing." After speaking to friends, their husbands have been involved in present planning, they have been Christmas shopping with them, some of them have even been Christmas shopping on their own for their kids. Other couples seem so much more of a team than we are, even when the female takes on the bulk of the load.

I'm sharing my observations and am interested in other people sharing their balance. Each year he tells me that he will take more on, but each year, he moans about how busy he is at work and is seemingly unable to juggle anything else. To top it all off, I am able to work from home, so during all of this, I've had my kids at home with me whilst working for days since September as they have picked up every illness going, whilst he just flounces off to work.

Perceptions of his family don't help. I mentioned infront of his mum and sister that he leaves everything to me and I was told it's a "man thing." It's not though, particularly when you then learn that it's FIL who orders the DCs Christmas presents each year and not MIL!!

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itspartytime · 15/12/2021 08:29

Spread sheet time me thinks .

All the jobs on the sheet and split fairly between you and him .

Try to involve him when you do it .

Then it's in writing - on the fridge or whatever - and he can't say he didn't know it was his job to do.

Shedmistress · 15/12/2021 08:31

Try to involve him when you do it

Fuck that shit - why should she now produce a spreadsheet on top of everything else she does?

He is never going to just do things because a spreadsheet is on the fridge. He isn't going to do things because he doesn't have to.

MissCrowley · 15/12/2021 08:34

Definitely not a man thing. What a selfish twat. If my OH declared he wanted a Boxing Day party I'd say "great idea, I'll leave that to you" and offer no help whatsoever.
My other half bought the toys this year from the kids wish lists, he's been involved with the elves, he's organised a Christmas meal with us and another family next week, chose the pub (which we all agreed on) and booked the table.

Do not enable him further by panic buying his family presents. Leave it to him.

TooWicked · 15/12/2021 08:36

With regards to the Boxing Day party, you’re enabling him as much as his parents and sisters do/did. That’s your choice.

In general no it’s not a man thing, and it’s not a Christmas thing, and I’m pretty sure if you think about it he’s this selfish all year round.

SuperheroBirds · 15/12/2021 08:41

It’s not a man thing. My husband bought the present for his sister, and suggested present ideas for people on both his side and my family. He also wraps all of our presents, including those for my friends, as he is a much neater wrapper than me. Oh, and he is cooking Christmas dinner for everyone. It sounds like your husband really needs to pull his finger out.

awesomekilick · 15/12/2021 08:42

I'm so sorry. You regret marrying so young. You can leave. It doesn't have to be like it is. You can make a new choice.

Basically you make Xmas happen, every year, alone, for your DC. While he gets half the pleasure and the appreciation. I'd be raging too.

comfortablyfrumpy · 15/12/2021 08:52

I had that to a great extent.
Got divorced.
Problem solved Grin

fournonblondes · 15/12/2021 08:53

No they do not want to know. Mine literally has ruined my Christmas once again. He pretends he is too busy and then he gets the man flu for the rest to the run to Xmas.

Struggling1702 · 15/12/2021 08:58

@comfortablyfrumpy I got divorced... Still have the same bloody issue! We do joint stockings (he has contributed nothing except for asking how much he owes) and then he text me the other to ask for ideas of what he can get the kids! I liaise with his mum and sister about gifts for kids from them and I still have to sort all kids Xmas school activities because he just forgets. Honestly does my head in 😤

MistandMud · 15/12/2021 09:00

I've just bought a present for my BIL (lets side down).

But that's because DH and (single) BIL are run ragged trying to look after their elderly mother, and despite DH's assurance that 'Mike isn't bothered about presents, too much else to worry about', I like the guy and think we should bother.

DH does all the food planning and buying here. I try to remember that when failing to make the house look presentable and elderly-lady-proof.

ravenmum · 15/12/2021 09:07

It kind of is a man thing, in that no-one says "it's a woman thing" when referring to a woman being lazy and selfish. As long as people keep shrugging and saying "that's what men are like", men will happily be like that.

I never used to get the ILs presents either, but it was always a bit awkward sitting there while they opened whatever generic "gift for him" or "gift for her" exh had got them the day before Christmas, with "from exh and ravenmum" on the card.

My ex-MIL was a doctor, so worked all hours while FIL got on with the kids. Having heard about this I thought I'd found a man who'd been brought up to do his share. However, as I got to know them better, later, it turned out that after working all hours as a doctor, it was still MIL who'd keep the house spotless and cook proper meals. FIL had 3 basic meals he did for the kids on rotation. They did at least share the chores, but they didn't have a modern attitude after all.

Exh did his share when we first got together - for 5 years, while we were both working full time - but once I was at home with the kids, he stopped; I could choose between living in a tip and doing the housework myself. These days I do the housework myself and he lives in a tip. It's less stressful.

Wombat69 · 15/12/2021 09:09

My DH did all his cards & offered to do the addresses on mine, as I have arthritis in my hands.

Coming from a family where men are perceived as helpless, yes, you are enabling him. Look vague, wander off...

Kbyodjs · 15/12/2021 09:13

@Howdoesit I actually blame maternity leave for how I started doing a lot of the child related jobs (like being in charge of buying new clothes, shoes etc)

Disfordarkchocolate · 15/12/2021 09:16

Definitely a 'selfish' man thing.

I do more because I like it. My husband does a good share and anything that requires research like tech gifts. It feels fair.

Thegreencup · 15/12/2021 09:18

It's not a man thing. It's a lazy person thing.

Don't do spread sheets, don't involve him.

Just don't fucking do any of it. The boxing day party? His problem. Don't even mention that it is his problem. He organised it, he deals with it. End of.

Sonaftersonafterson · 15/12/2021 09:18

Urgh.

When your DH goes to all these events, where are you? Why is he going alone? When I was married, if I wasnt invited to a certain event DH would either not go or if it was work or something important he would go, but for only a brief time. Are you left with the kids while he socialises? No... fuck that

Regarding Christmas, mine used to just front all the money and then leave it all to me. Same with our wedding actually Hmm he chucked money at everything and that, in his eyes, was job done.

A lot of men are like this but a lot of men are not!

Depends what you let them get away with.

MysteriesOfTheOrganism · 15/12/2021 09:20

It's a selfish, lazy twat thing.

Thegreencup · 15/12/2021 09:22

And before all the martyrs on here cry "but it doesn't get done" so what?!

I very quickly realised that no one actually gives two flying fucks about all of the stuff some people are peculiarly invested in. No one is arsed about cards or colour coordinated gift wrap. The teachers, the postie and the bin man just regift the gifts you give them. Your MIL will still hate you regardless of how amazing the turkey is and the only people who benefit from all of this are the shops who get our money.

moose62 · 15/12/2021 09:33

For the women who complain about it being a man thing - no, we have let it be a man thing. My husband also contributes nothing to Christmas. I do everything. If I was very specific and told him what to buy, down to the smallest detail, he would do it but by then I might as well have done it myself. In my husband's case it is because he really doesn't care. He wouldn't mind if he had no presents at all, Christmas lunch to him is just another roast and as he in not religious thinks it is just a huge money making exercise. So if i want to enjoy Christmas and make sure my children do - I do it all. Last year I told him that I would not be buying for his family - it is very large - and all the kids are adults now! I told his family the same thing, asked them not to buy for us and his mother was the only one that received any sort of present. He put some cash in a card on the way to her house. I have said the same this year!

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MsJaneAusten · 15/12/2021 09:39

Christmas has involved much less resentment since I kicked exDH out. Just saying.

hivemindneeded · 15/12/2021 09:41

Write a numbered list of absolutely everything that needs to be done. Tell him he needs to do half of it. Cross off what you have already done and only do whatever takes you up to your 50%. don;t make any effort for the party.

I used to run myself ragged hoisting beds down three flights of stairs so DHs relatives could sleep on the ground floor while he, 6'2 to my 5'4 did nothing. I'd be scrubbing bathrooms and washing duvets etc. Then I stopped,. One year I just didn't do it and he realised he had to do it. Cue the day they arrived. I was all glam and festive like he usually is, and he was knackered and frazzled like I usually am. Since then, we've shared the load.

BoudecaBains · 15/12/2021 09:42

Not sure my husband ever got involved in the kids nativity plays. I never gave gifts to their teachers. I used to gather stuff for Xmas over the year on my days off. Husband always gets my sons present and takes him to the football. Cards ordered online, database of addresses in laptop, everybody signs them. Postbox at the end of our road. I’m working on Christmas Day so husband will cook dinner and the sort the domestic arrangements. Christmas is a magically time for kids and now they are older they are just as enthusiastic. I’ve seen such sorry recently and I know ppl will be alone or grieving. Every time I come off duty I sit in my car and say a prayer. I take nothing for granted anymore so Christmas is a magical time for me too. I never found marriage a chore either.

frozendaisy · 15/12/2021 09:42

Start right now OP.

With the boxing Day party.

Tell him you are doing all the run up to Christmas, Christmas Eve and Christmas day and you will not be lifting one entertaining finger on boxing Day and you advice, should he wish to take it, is to buy the nibbles and drinks now to make sure you have in.

bucketsoflove · 15/12/2021 10:01

You're blaming the women in his family for letting him off because it's 'a man thing' and then enabling him to carry on like this.
Just stop.
Take care of your DC stuff because you care about that but if he's organising a Boxing Day party then let him get on with it.
Not a chance in hell I would run around my DH doing the actual necessary stuff and then let him dream up some more work for me while he looks like the big generous man playing host.
You are not responsible for taking care of and mopping up after a grown adult. He's meant to be your partner. Make him act like it.