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Relationship boundaries

54 replies

PH41 · 02/12/2021 10:11

Following advice from a male friend and a female friend (who doesn't know the female friend), I sought to set some relationship boundaries with my girlfriend. The conversation took place when things were going well and I asked her to discuss what she would consider acceptable/unacceptale behaviour in our relationship. She set three boundaries and they were:

  1. I don't have sex with someone else
  2. I don't message other women inappropriately
  3. I don't flirt with other women

These seemed like reasonable boundaries and I accepted them wholeheartedly and knew i'd have no issue with meeting them. However, she then asked me what my boundaries were for her and I said exactly what she had asked from me. We faced a problem at this point as she told me she didn't think she would be able to meet them. I laughed because I thought she was winding me up but she was deadly serious.

Since then, she has been really annoyed that we set the boundaries and has argued with me on many things around it. She told me she will go out and get drunk (no problem) but that anything could happen, however, I should be reassured that she'll still come home to me. She will flirt with other blokes on nights out or with her colleagues (including discussing her sex life or what she would do in the bedroom), and believes that getting phone numbers is OK so long as nothing physical happens. She will continue to meet her exes or a bloke she had a fling with (but I can't meet my ex, not that I would want to). She basically told me that she wants to do whatever she wants and I have to accept it. In fact, she currently has 3 exes in her life and the other day she told me that if she was to cut her exes out of her life, she'd have no-one to speak to.

I was so in love with her I just put it all to bed and thought that as time passed then maybe we could discuss it again, however, it hasn't changed.

She has now got herself into a position where she thinks i'm jealous about everything. We were in a restaurant and the waiter was flirting with her right in front of me. She was polite and didn't flirt back but the waiter was actually beginning to interrupt our evening as he came back 3 times. At one point I went to the loo and I saw him go straight to the table as soon as I left. I didn't turn back and didn't say anything when I got back but my girlfriend told me. I just laughed it all off but she said that she was so nervous that I was going to kick off. I've repeatedly said to her that she can't help people flirting with her but it would have been different if she started flirting with him (especially as we were trying to have a romantic night).

She's told me that she's worried about texting all the various men in her life in case I get jealous. Again, i've told her that as long as it stays platonic, i'm not fussed but if she knows they're trying to get into her pants and she doesn't shut it down, then that would be different.

As for her exes, i'll be honest, I just don't get why she has to meet them but at one point I said I was OK with it (even though I wasn't). She said they just meet for coffee as they're friends, however, I recently discovered that one of them doesn't tell his wife where he's going and my girlfriend seems happy with knowing that she is a secret. As far as she's concerned, she's being honest with me and I totally get that but it just makes me feel really uncomfortable that it takes place this way.

She starts a new job in a couple of weeks and she told me that she was worried about our future as she may have lots of blokes trying it on with her. I said that as long as they know that she's in a relationship/not interested then there's not a problem but she said that she is likely to become very close to these blokes and then she will start messaging them outside of work.

I've discussed this with my friends and they tell me that my girlfriend is out of order but what are your objective views?

I feel like there's something i'm forgetting to say there so I apologise if I add additional information later on as a result of someone prompting me.

OP posts:
girlmom21 · 02/12/2021 10:16

God, dump her. She's telling you she's going to cheat, if she hasn't already.

She knows her behaviours are inappropriate which is why she wouldn't be happy with you behaving in the same way.

HollowTalk · 02/12/2021 10:20

When she said that she couldn't meet the same standards she expected from you, that was the moment you should have dumped her. I'm really confused as to why you stayed once she said that.

fumfspos · 02/12/2021 11:20

Dump her.
She's doing this on purpose to wind you up and she keeps taking about you being jealous to ensure that you are jealous. A self-fulfilling prophecy.

You set your boundaries for the relationship. She said she couldn't/wouldn't stick to them. That should have been it.
Move on and find someone else whom you can trust and who isn't going to deliberately try to make you jealous all the time and doesn't trample all over your boundaries.

Shoxfordian · 02/12/2021 12:10

She’s out of order and she can’t impose these double standards on you

Dump her

TheFoundations · 02/12/2021 12:14

she then asked me what my boundaries were for her and I said exactly what she had asked from me. We faced a problem at this point as she told me she didn't think she would be able to meet them

Leave.

sommer1 · 02/12/2021 12:44

Raise your standards, doesn't matter how much you love her, she's taking the piss.
when she starts going on about other men, tell her she's welcome to them as you're too good for her.

GrumpyLivesInMyHouseNow · 02/12/2021 12:53

Double standards all round here.

She wants you to remain in a monogamous relationship with her and she wants an open relationship to have sec and flirt with other people

Errrr no!

FOJN · 02/12/2021 13:10

She's told you she can't be trusted not to cheat but expects you to be faithful, I imagine she has interpreted your acceptance of these terms as agreement. She enjoys male attention and wants you to be jealous.

You are being manipulated by someone who wants to be single and in a relationship at the same time. She does not respect you.

End the relationship and find someone who respects you.

Squeezyhug · 02/12/2021 13:14

When a person needs you to feel insecure so that they feel good about themselves that’s a huge red flag.
Dump her and find someone who respects you.

Musttryharder2021 · 02/12/2021 16:58

Are you really out of options to such a degree to put up with this amount of nonsense??

LightSpeeds · 02/12/2021 17:35

I feel like there's something i'm forgetting to say there so I apologise if I add additional information later on as a result of someone prompting me.

You don't really need to add anything else. For you, this is only headed to a very unhappy place. She sounds like a nightmare. I'd leave her to her exes.

billy1966 · 02/12/2021 17:46

Dump her.

Why would you accept this?

Capferret · 02/12/2021 18:04

Dump her.
Block her.
Find a woman who doesn’t play games.
She obviously has huge self esteem issues constantly needing to feel wanted by other men.
She sounds pathetic tbh.

hahahawhatchalaughinat · 02/12/2021 18:04

Leave for sure. She doesn't sound like a good partner at all. Self absorbed and controlling.

IsThePopeCatholic · 02/12/2021 18:09

She’s messing with your head and your emotions, op. Dump her and find someone who respects you and is not so needy. You sound like a nice guy.

1Ta1T · 02/12/2021 18:20

Mmm, your relationship is obviously not in a great place at the moment.

1 I wonder whether it might help to have a discussion with her about why she thinks it is OK to impose boundaries on you that she won't accept herself?

2 I have to admit I would not be very fussed about flirting (if that is all it is...dirty talk is not flirting!). Do you think that if that boundary was taken off the table you'd be in the same place as each other?

(a) If so, why does she think you'll react so badly to the texts and the flirting? Do you? Talk to her about it.

(b) If that wouldn't bridge the gap, it does sound like you two currently want fundamentally different things out of the relationship.

tanstaafl · 02/12/2021 19:23

OP, is the additional information that this a reverse?

(Even so, I agree with pp wholeheartedly)

Totalwasteofpaper · 02/12/2021 19:25

This is super weird.

I'd dump her...

pumkinbump · 02/12/2021 19:43

How old is she? She seems to have a very inflated opinion of herself also. I would walk away.

MsLup · 02/12/2021 19:56

The only person your girlfriend seems to be in love with is herself. Only happy when trying to provoke a reaction from you. Get rid!

Crimeismymiddlename · 02/12/2021 20:02

Your girlfriend is telling you that she can’t promise she won’t cheat on you, claims she has no one to talk to apart from her three most recent ex boyfriends and has told you she will get ‘close’ to her new co-workers. All the while being fixated on you being jealous on all the men she tells you are falling at her feet. One, she obviously has very high self esteem, two, she is clearly telling you that you are not a priority and are just filling her time until she calls time on you for the next man. Please get rid of her, most men would have laughed in her face and dumped her in the first conversation of this kind.

Atla · 02/12/2021 20:09

Well, she sounds like she's got a right bob on herself (as my gran would have said!).

You sound like a nice, reasonable person. She is winding you up and trying to make you jealous. I don't think she's serious about you. Save your self esteem, don't let it turn toxic, dump her and move on.

PH41 · 02/12/2021 21:37

A reverse? Sorry don't know what that means.

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MarshmallowSwede · 02/12/2021 21:52

Your girlfriend sounds extremely emotionally immature and stunted. It sounds like she needs constant attention and validation from men who are not you. It seems like she wants you to be jealous and seeks out ways to point out she will have contact with other men.

If you want to have this sort of drama then stay. If you want to have a real adult relationship with a woman who is emotionally stable and well.. then this woman is not for you.

It’s actually not normal to tell your partner you’re going to get “close” to male colleagues. It’s not normal to tell your partner you’re concerned about the future because men will hit on you because it’s easy to not engage with men hitting on you. Say you have a partner and that is it. It’s also not normal to tell your partner that you’re going to be texting male colleagues outside of work.

Then tl top it all off.. she has told you that she does not want to adhere to the same boundaries she is asking you to adhere to. She said if she drinks she can’t be held responsible for her behavior.

She is basically searching for your replacement. Taking phone numbers and texting random men? Yes she’s on the hunt for her next boyfriend.

She talks to her ex boyfriend’s because she likes the attention and validation she gets from them.

Youknownothingsnow · 02/12/2021 22:03

Why would a partner have to mentioned she may become close to men in a new job and start messaging them outside of work? It all sounds very immature and odd. She is constantly trying to make you jealous.

You’re best option is to leave her to it but if you stay you only have years of misery and uncertainty ahead of you.