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Relationship boundaries

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PH41 · 02/12/2021 10:11

Following advice from a male friend and a female friend (who doesn't know the female friend), I sought to set some relationship boundaries with my girlfriend. The conversation took place when things were going well and I asked her to discuss what she would consider acceptable/unacceptale behaviour in our relationship. She set three boundaries and they were:

  1. I don't have sex with someone else
  2. I don't message other women inappropriately
  3. I don't flirt with other women

These seemed like reasonable boundaries and I accepted them wholeheartedly and knew i'd have no issue with meeting them. However, she then asked me what my boundaries were for her and I said exactly what she had asked from me. We faced a problem at this point as she told me she didn't think she would be able to meet them. I laughed because I thought she was winding me up but she was deadly serious.

Since then, she has been really annoyed that we set the boundaries and has argued with me on many things around it. She told me she will go out and get drunk (no problem) but that anything could happen, however, I should be reassured that she'll still come home to me. She will flirt with other blokes on nights out or with her colleagues (including discussing her sex life or what she would do in the bedroom), and believes that getting phone numbers is OK so long as nothing physical happens. She will continue to meet her exes or a bloke she had a fling with (but I can't meet my ex, not that I would want to). She basically told me that she wants to do whatever she wants and I have to accept it. In fact, she currently has 3 exes in her life and the other day she told me that if she was to cut her exes out of her life, she'd have no-one to speak to.

I was so in love with her I just put it all to bed and thought that as time passed then maybe we could discuss it again, however, it hasn't changed.

She has now got herself into a position where she thinks i'm jealous about everything. We were in a restaurant and the waiter was flirting with her right in front of me. She was polite and didn't flirt back but the waiter was actually beginning to interrupt our evening as he came back 3 times. At one point I went to the loo and I saw him go straight to the table as soon as I left. I didn't turn back and didn't say anything when I got back but my girlfriend told me. I just laughed it all off but she said that she was so nervous that I was going to kick off. I've repeatedly said to her that she can't help people flirting with her but it would have been different if she started flirting with him (especially as we were trying to have a romantic night).

She's told me that she's worried about texting all the various men in her life in case I get jealous. Again, i've told her that as long as it stays platonic, i'm not fussed but if she knows they're trying to get into her pants and she doesn't shut it down, then that would be different.

As for her exes, i'll be honest, I just don't get why she has to meet them but at one point I said I was OK with it (even though I wasn't). She said they just meet for coffee as they're friends, however, I recently discovered that one of them doesn't tell his wife where he's going and my girlfriend seems happy with knowing that she is a secret. As far as she's concerned, she's being honest with me and I totally get that but it just makes me feel really uncomfortable that it takes place this way.

She starts a new job in a couple of weeks and she told me that she was worried about our future as she may have lots of blokes trying it on with her. I said that as long as they know that she's in a relationship/not interested then there's not a problem but she said that she is likely to become very close to these blokes and then she will start messaging them outside of work.

I've discussed this with my friends and they tell me that my girlfriend is out of order but what are your objective views?

I feel like there's something i'm forgetting to say there so I apologise if I add additional information later on as a result of someone prompting me.

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PH41 · 02/12/2021 22:42

Thank you all for your replies. You may be suprised to hear that she is 34 years old.

All the points you guys have raised, I have tried to discuss with her so that she can see how it may look. I tried the age old 'how would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot approach', but it doesn't achieve anything. I've tried to discuss how some of the behaviours make me feel uncomfortable but that has no effect. Only today I discussed how something she did made me feel like she disrespected me and I was told how very differently we see what disrespect is. Basically, we were out at a restaurant with colleagues and she told one of our colleagues that if he was single they'd have great sex...whilst I was sat next to her! Apparently, I shouldn't be upset or annnoyed because they said it in front of me and not behind my back! I was accused of being jealous as a result of this but I wasn't, I was angry that I was being disrespected. I didn't lose my temper, I didn't get angry with her, I just stayed silent so as not to ruin the evening but she could see I was upset. She asked me what was wrong and I tried to avoid telling her but she wouldn't give up so I said that I wasn't happy with that conversation. She got angry with me and stormed off from the table and ignored me for the next hour. Earlier that day, with the same colleague he pulled her hair and she said that he'd made her nipples hard!

The same colleague has told me and her that I shouldn't get jealous and that I should let her do whatever she wants so long as she comes home to me. Apparently, I should watch her with other blokes dribbling all over her and know that I am the one that will be sleeping with her. I told him that that isn't how I see relationships but he told us both that he finds it turns him on which means he has really good sex with his wife when she does it!!

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RainLol · 02/12/2021 22:46

She will flirt with other blokes on nights out or with her colleagues (including discussing her sex life or what she would do in the bedroom)

How trashy!
Dump her!

Animood · 02/12/2021 22:53

Omfg ditch her. She sounds unhinged.

Find a nice girl who will make you feel wonderful about yourself and commit to you. Plenty out there.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 02/12/2021 22:54

What's happened here OP is that you're in a relationship with an arsehole. She's just not a nice person. Nice, kind people don't behave how she does. And they definitely don't then behave like a hypocrite and say if you behaved the same way that they'd leave you!

Break up with her. This isn't a sustainable relationship that can be happy and healthy long term.

hahahawhatchalaughinat · 02/12/2021 23:13

She is a narcissistic twat. You could probably have a more fulfilling relationship with a toaster than this woman.

Ditch her ASAP, you deserve to be treated better and you should consider why you didn't work that out for yourself. You may have some self esteem issues. You sound like a really nice person from your posts.

All the best

samesign · 02/12/2021 23:17

Very surprised she's 34, sounds like an immature teen. However she looks, she's sounds very full of herself, is there any substance to her other than thinking she's gods gift to all men. So disrespectful to you, Her behaviour is so unappealing and unsexy.

Dump her, doubt she'd take it well that she's been rejected but she fully deserves for you to break up with her because you deserve a much better woman.

gonnabeok · 02/12/2021 23:21

Run a mile. She is an attention seeker and deeply insecure. She will always be boundaryless. She enjoys trying to make you jealous. Put this fish back in the pond. You deserve so much better.

PH41 · 02/12/2021 23:36

@1Ta1T

Mmm, your relationship is obviously not in a great place at the moment.

1 I wonder whether it might help to have a discussion with her about why she thinks it is OK to impose boundaries on you that she won't accept herself?

2 I have to admit I would not be very fussed about flirting (if that is all it is...dirty talk is not flirting!). Do you think that if that boundary was taken off the table you'd be in the same place as each other?

(a) If so, why does she think you'll react so badly to the texts and the flirting? Do you? Talk to her about it.

(b) If that wouldn't bridge the gap, it does sound like you two currently want fundamentally different things out of the relationship.

I think the only boundary she wanted to agree to was the one not to get physical. As far as she is concerned, words are just words so she can flirt as it means nothing. I even accepted that light flirting isn't too bad but then it was when the 'flirting' was much more sexual in nature that I have concerns. Previous conversations she has had are whether she likes her boobs squeezing during sex and when asked by a colleague whose sperm she would like to drink she answered the question rather than telling the colleague to stop being such a disgusting human being!!

As for the texts, she swapped numbers with a colleague (she didn't need to, but decided to nonetheless). He then sent her messages telling her how fit she was, how nice her tattoos were and there were other comments made that were clearly him flirting and trying to get into her pants. I asked her to knock it on the head but she didn't because she wasn't reciprocating. I said she could have at least said she had a boyfriend or that she wasn't interested but she didn't!

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 02/12/2021 23:41

Previous conversations she has had are whether she likes her boobs squeezing during sex and when asked by a colleague whose sperm she would like to drink she answered the question rather than telling the colleague to stop being such a disgusting human being!!

Fuck me that's grim.

BeaMends · 02/12/2021 23:49

Enough red flags to sink the Titanic.

The hills are that way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

hahahawhatchalaughinat · 03/12/2021 00:00

Seriously OP, she doesn't respect you. Respect yourself and find someone who will treat you kindly.

Saysama · 03/12/2021 00:23

I wonder whether it might help to have a discussion with her about why she thinks it is OK to impose boundaries on you that she won't accept herself?

You didn’t answer the pp‘S question. Nor have you answered questions about why you’re putting up with this. I’ll ask again - why?

PH41 · 03/12/2021 08:34

@Saysama

I wonder whether it might help to have a discussion with her about why she thinks it is OK to impose boundaries on you that she won't accept herself?

You didn’t answer the pp‘S question. Nor have you answered questions about why you’re putting up with this. I’ll ask again - why?

I've tried to have the discussion with her on multiple occasions and she isn't very receptive to it. She has told me that no-one will tell her what to do and that she thinks setting the boundaries was stupid. She's told me that she flirts and she can't stop it and that she gets on better with men than she does women. During one conversation she barked at me that she didn't care if I didn't follow the boundaries she set, however, she has been jealous about a girl at work that likes me even though i've only spoken to this girl for maybe around 5 minutes in total over the last 6 months, only spoken to her in the middle of the office and only had professional conversations with her. Then when i've said that she's been jealous, she denies it and says that she's just joking and she doesn't care.

Why do I accept it? Honestly, when things aren't like this, me and her are perfectly matched. Everything else is amazing and if it wasn't for this she would be my dream girl. If I could write down what I wanted then everything else about her would be what I would write. Clearly though, I can't continue like this and I guess i've been hoping that she would see the error of her ways and would change.

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Squeezyhug · 03/12/2021 09:03

She makes herself sound cheap and nasty.
She obviously has huge insecurities but it’s not for you to fix her.
Only she can do that.

She may be your ideal woman in many ways but this is such a huge issue which is affecting you and making you feel bad and like a fool in front of others.
It is so disrespectful of her to behave like this.
It is a huge, huge red flag that she is dismissing your feelings when you try to discuss it with her.

Anyone who really cared about you would want you to feel good in their company.
She knows she makes you feel crap.

I think you need to get rid of her.
Find a decent girl who ticks all the boxes for you.
She doesn’t deserve you.

FOJN · 03/12/2021 09:23

Clearly though, I can't continue like this and I guess i've been hoping that she would see the error of her ways and would change.

There's a lot I could say about the possible motives for her behaviour but I'm more interested in why you think someone who doesn't see anything wrong with their behaviour is going to change. Whilst I understand why her behaviour is not acceptable to you she is not going to change. Her behaviour is not a small matter and you do have the right to decide it's a deal breaker.

You need to stop blaming her for the way you feel, she is being very honest about the fact she has no intention of changing, as disrespectful as that may be, she is not misleading you.

Your choices are accept her the way she is or end the relationship. Are there enough positives for you to put up with this? I wouldn't tolerate being treated this way but you currently are.

DoItAfraid · 03/12/2021 10:44

@PH41

Thank you all for your replies. You may be suprised to hear that she is 34 years old.

All the points you guys have raised, I have tried to discuss with her so that she can see how it may look. I tried the age old 'how would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot approach', but it doesn't achieve anything. I've tried to discuss how some of the behaviours make me feel uncomfortable but that has no effect. Only today I discussed how something she did made me feel like she disrespected me and I was told how very differently we see what disrespect is. Basically, we were out at a restaurant with colleagues and she told one of our colleagues that if he was single they'd have great sex...whilst I was sat next to her! Apparently, I shouldn't be upset or annnoyed because they said it in front of me and not behind my back! I was accused of being jealous as a result of this but I wasn't, I was angry that I was being disrespected. I didn't lose my temper, I didn't get angry with her, I just stayed silent so as not to ruin the evening but she could see I was upset. She asked me what was wrong and I tried to avoid telling her but she wouldn't give up so I said that I wasn't happy with that conversation. She got angry with me and stormed off from the table and ignored me for the next hour. Earlier that day, with the same colleague he pulled her hair and she said that he'd made her nipples hard!

The same colleague has told me and her that I shouldn't get jealous and that I should let her do whatever she wants so long as she comes home to me. Apparently, I should watch her with other blokes dribbling all over her and know that I am the one that will be sleeping with her. I told him that that isn't how I see relationships but he told us both that he finds it turns him on which means he has really good sex with his wife when she does it!!

I cant believe what I am reading. Just dump her. Like - immediately.
PH41 · 03/12/2021 10:47

Well guys, since Tuesday, i've been trying to speak to her about things and she has done nothing but treat me with disrespect. I have finally done it and just told her i'm off.

My friends tell me she's been gaslighting me, manipulating me and trying to control me through her mind games since we've been together and I just didn't see it. I was head over heels but I just can't continue to be treated in this way. I need to have better self-respect for myself and move on with my life. Not quite how I saw Christmas but hey, I just need to get on with it :-)

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Atla · 03/12/2021 10:55

Well done! I'm sure it was hard, but I feel 100% sure you have done the right thing. Enjoy Christmas, spending time with family and friends. I suggest just avoiding her completely for a while - do a 30 day block on social media!

samesign · 03/12/2021 11:04

Well done, definitely the right thing. When you look back on the relationship years down the line, you wonder what you ever saw in a person like that.

Enjoy your drama free Christmas and spend the time with friends and family that love and appreciate you.

Going through this will strengthen your boundaries for next time, I'm sure you'll go on to meet someone much nicer.

billy1966 · 03/12/2021 11:11

Well done.

Do explore your lack of self respect for putting up with this.

She sounds like scum.

Not what you want from a life partner.

Goid luck.
Flowers

Newestname002 · 03/12/2021 11:11

@PH41

You have done the right thing, having the respect for yourself that she didn't have. The way she treated you would only have got worse over time I'm afraid. Thank goodness you have your own self respect and good friends to support you through this. 🌹

FabriqueBelgique · 03/12/2021 11:14

My objection view is you’re being a doormat.

You need to build your self-esteem.

You’re just as worthy of respect as everyone around you. Demand it!

Use lack of respect as a sign that a person is not meant for you. It’s a fantastic filter!

There are over 7 billion people in the world. Use that as perspective to move on.

FabriqueBelgique · 03/12/2021 11:14
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Yummypumpkin · 03/12/2021 11:15

Well done OP!

I cannot tell you how many women would love to date a man with just those boundaries.

You can guess for yourself how many men want to be in a serious relationship with someone with your girlfriend's attitude.

On and up and watch out for the tantrums and pleading from her (just a feeling I have).

Your friends sound like they really care about you.

Ohpulltheotherone · 03/12/2021 11:20

OP your gf is highly toxic, insecure, immature and controlling.
She is NOT the perfect girl for you, in reality perfect doesn’t exist but she’s as far as you could get from being a good partner.

Honestly ask yourself why you are letting someone treat you like this - you are letting her do this and she will not change. You can “talk” and “discuss” until you are blue in the face but it won’t change because this is how she wants the relationship to be.

She’s telling you who she is and you’re ignoring it and pretending like she’s going to magically change into someone who isn’t a toxic nightmare.

If you stay in this relationship you will gradually lose more and more of your self respect.

She doesn’t love you and it sounds like she doesn’t even like you much. It sounds like she gets off on the attention and the control.

She sounds like she needs a huge amount of therapy to unravel the toxic shit in her head. But that’s not your job to sort.

Move on, this relationship is not going to end well. Be it now or in a few years, she will get bored and find attention elsewhere and you’ll be sat wishing you’d ended it years ago before she totally ruined your mental health and self respect. She’s not the one OP, dump.

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