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Feeling sad he didn't choose me

110 replies

sadiesad · 30/11/2021 23:08

I'm a regular but NC, though I posted about this relationship a short while back under another NC.

My bf of 2 years has had a female best friend for a decade who has always been very hostile towards me. It didn't matter how much effort I put into being friendly, she would snub me to my face in front of my bf. Examples are turning on her heel and walking away when we bumped into her, ignoring me completely when we'd meet up with her and her husband (while getting touchy feely with my bf), and never replying to my greetings - not even making eye contact. When I interrogated my bf further it transpired that she was against him dating (before she even knew about me) and has always been a bit 'possessive' and demanding of his time. She wanted to see him multiple times a week, they used to message multiple times a day and when he started seeing me and didn't have that kind of availability she would get passive aggressive and take it out on me, when we saw her. He showed me the messages when I asked to see what he meant. For most of our relationship she would meet up just with him, but if he ever suggested I come along, she'd get pissy with him. And soon I stopped wanting to go even when others were present, as she was so rude to me, it was upsetting. So I felt completely excluded from his social life. She'd also try to sabotage by leaving him off social group invites if we went on holiday together or did anything that seemed like he was building a life with me - so he started feeling ostracised from his friends as well. None of them had any issue with me, her own husband liked me. Both he and her husband tried to talk to her, and she'd just blame it on me saying I was the one with a problem.

It caused a lot of problems and arguments as he never seemed to stand up for me with her. After she'd be hostile, they wouldn't talk for some weeks but then pick up where they left off - nothing ever discussed or resolved. My bf hates confrontation but kept promising he'd talk to her and get to the bottom of it - 2 years, he never did. Always excuses about how he couldn't find the right time, the right moment blah blah.

Anyway, today I finally had enough and asked him if he was ever going to resolve this. And he said he didn't think there could be a resolution. He didn't think the friendship and relationship should be mutually exclusive even though he accepts she is the one causing all the problems. I have never ever made him choose between us but this time I asked him point blank - if he still intended on maintaining a friendship with her, even though he now accepts she has tried to sabotage us, is horrid to me, and it's not purely platonic on her end (also her husband was his friend first, and they are still very close).

He told me that while he accepted the friendship couldn't be as 'intense' as it once was, he always wanted to have her in his life as some sort of friend as he valued their history.

When I told him he couldn't possibly expect me to stay with him if he wanted to stay friends with someone who is rude to me/hurts me/and possibly has feelings for him. He said he understood that and understood that it was too much to ask of me, and while he was sorry for all the hurt it has caused, they had too much history for him to give up on the friendship. So I decided to hang on to my pride and end things, because after 2 years he hasn't done anything to call her out on her BS. He never was, was he?

But I feel devastated. I can't understand why he would choose to maintain a friendship with someone who clearly just wants him to be single, over a relationship he actually enjoyed. He loved me, was happy with me, always said he felt lucky to have met me - other than her, we never argued over anything. She is married to his friend and I really don't believe he fancied her/wanted to be with her - so why was he so reluctant to challenge her or even walk away from her.

I really loved him, so keep waivering on my decision. Please MN, help me make sense of this and tell me if I did the right thing or not? I feel really sad and lost atm.

OP posts:
Saucy99 · 01/12/2021 09:22

'I have never ever made him choose between us'
'When I told him he couldn't possibly expect me to stay with him if he wanted to stay friends wity her'
I mean one of those statements int true. You offered him an ultimatum and it didn't turn out as you hoped.

MarshmallowSwede · 01/12/2021 09:27

He’s pathetic and his best friend’s husband is pathetic.

No husband with a back bone is going to be in a marriage with a woman who “demands” time and attention from another man to the point where he can’t even maintain a romantic relationship.

And no normal emotionally healthy man is going to allow his “friend” to mistreat his partner and allow his friend to put his romantic relationship at risk because the friend needs attention and is territorial.

These people are emotionally unstable and obviously can’t maintain normal healthy boundaries.

The trash taking itself out.

RogueV · 01/12/2021 09:33

OP I think you have handled this really well

5128gap · 01/12/2021 09:34

You did the right thing. He didn't choose you because he has a thing for her. Its only her not wanting a relationship with him that's kept them apart so far. If she ever does decide she wants him, you'll lose him anyway so better now and on your terms.

AliceA2021 · 01/12/2021 09:39

You did the right thing.

He is gutless, and appears to love having another woman fight over him/for his time etc. He doesn't love you. You deserve better than he gives. No partner should stand by whilst someone hurts/insults their partner and it is just ignored time and again and unresolved.

Look after yourself, he was a temporary man in your life and he never put you first and loved the attention and having her still want him.

Good luck, get well, get strong and move on.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 01/12/2021 09:43

@SpindlesWinterWhorl

They all sounds crackers, and yes other posters' stories about secrets and lies are probably not that far wide of the mark. I've met some weird couples and friend groups in my many decades.
"They all sound crackers" - succinct and correct. Lucky escape to celebrate. Shame two years of your life were wasted on a pointless relationship.

Now it is time to be Happy Sadie and move forward. We have your back here :)

sadiesad · 01/12/2021 09:44

Thank you so much everyone. You have no idea how much it helps to hear that I wasn't crazy imagining it was a problem. And that breaking up was the right thing.

I still feel so sad that despite having a happy relationship otherwise, it wasn't enough for him to value it more than their friendship. Like posters have said, I still have absolutely no idea what their dynamic is or what the real story is. He's always maintained there was no attraction from his side, and physically she isn't his normal type at all BUT you never know I guess. Now that he's made his choice, I'm questioning everything. He tells me that she just doesn't like change hence her struggling to adjust to him being in a relationship after a few years. Except she's been married for years, all her other friends are married, and we are all in our mid thirties. He just always seems to have an excuse for her behaviour.

I feel so angry and hurt that after 2 years, I never got to defend myself as I always tried to be the bigger person with her for his sake. And he never defended me either. Kept saying he didn't know how to resolve the situation. He works in a very authoritative type job so knows how to be assertive and confrontational if he wants to be. I feel I just wasted 2 good years of my life hoping he'd finally take a stand - and i just snapped. It took such a toll - I started having nightmares she was trying to murder me (that he knew about), started losing hair and just became so insecure. As I knew everytime they'd meet, she'd try to manipulate or guilt him into breaking up. It never worked but it made me so anxious. When he finally started taking space and not meeting her - she got ingenious by coming up with reasons she needed medical help. Like "oh I'm very ill, can you please go to the shops and get me some tissues" - obv all when her husband was away. The best one was - "oh, there's some men outside my house on the street. I don't feel safe, is it a police matter?" hinting she wanted him to come over. We live in a big city, she was born here, there's always men on the street!

It enraged me that he would fall for this Damsel in Distress routine and run around doing errands for her. Despite how she was behaving with me. Always said he liked my independence the most - clearly not as much as he liked her needing him constantly.

I'm staying strong and not going back on my decision. He emailed to say he is sorry and sad it has come to this. Like he didn't have any control over 'this'.

OP posts:
BornInAThunderstorm · 01/12/2021 09:47

It sounds to me like he enjoyed being fought over. With you out of the picture she will also reduce contact as there’s no threat, and he will probably realise it for himself.

Please dont go back though op, you deserve someone who will make you the priority all the time

Bollindger · 01/12/2021 09:48

Your brave to walk before you had children.
I reckon he is her stand by, in case her husband ever leaves.
Find someone who puts you first.

EnrouteNOTonroute · 01/12/2021 09:49

He sounds utterly pathetic OP.

Tittyfilarious81 · 01/12/2021 09:51

@sadiesad

Thank you so much everyone. You have no idea how much it helps to hear that I wasn't crazy imagining it was a problem. And that breaking up was the right thing.

I still feel so sad that despite having a happy relationship otherwise, it wasn't enough for him to value it more than their friendship. Like posters have said, I still have absolutely no idea what their dynamic is or what the real story is. He's always maintained there was no attraction from his side, and physically she isn't his normal type at all BUT you never know I guess. Now that he's made his choice, I'm questioning everything. He tells me that she just doesn't like change hence her struggling to adjust to him being in a relationship after a few years. Except she's been married for years, all her other friends are married, and we are all in our mid thirties. He just always seems to have an excuse for her behaviour.

I feel so angry and hurt that after 2 years, I never got to defend myself as I always tried to be the bigger person with her for his sake. And he never defended me either. Kept saying he didn't know how to resolve the situation. He works in a very authoritative type job so knows how to be assertive and confrontational if he wants to be. I feel I just wasted 2 good years of my life hoping he'd finally take a stand - and i just snapped. It took such a toll - I started having nightmares she was trying to murder me (that he knew about), started losing hair and just became so insecure. As I knew everytime they'd meet, she'd try to manipulate or guilt him into breaking up. It never worked but it made me so anxious. When he finally started taking space and not meeting her - she got ingenious by coming up with reasons she needed medical help. Like "oh I'm very ill, can you please go to the shops and get me some tissues" - obv all when her husband was away. The best one was - "oh, there's some men outside my house on the street. I don't feel safe, is it a police matter?" hinting she wanted him to come over. We live in a big city, she was born here, there's always men on the street!

It enraged me that he would fall for this Damsel in Distress routine and run around doing errands for her. Despite how she was behaving with me. Always said he liked my independence the most - clearly not as much as he liked her needing him constantly.

I'm staying strong and not going back on my decision. He emailed to say he is sorry and sad it has come to this. Like he didn't have any control over 'this'.

Getting him round whilst her husband was away because she needed something , I'm sorry op but I'd say they are having a relationship and that's why she's incredibly jealous when another woman talked up his time . I genuinely can't understand her husband being ok with though it's really weird
sadiesad · 01/12/2021 09:52

@Saucy99

'I have never ever made him choose between us' 'When I told him he couldn't possibly expect me to stay with him if he wanted to stay friends wity her' I mean one of those statements int true. You offered him an ultimatum and it didn't turn out as you hoped.
Yes, I suppose it was an ultimatum of sorts. But it was more that the situation we were in just wasn't conducive to a relationship - so he either wanted to be in a relationship or not. I always felt the real choice was forced upon him by his friend when she decided she was always going to be hostile to me - because I feel he then made his own choice not challenging her or walking away from her.

And he chose the friendship. Which i didn't expect but I don't know why I didn't - as he's been choosing her and her feelings every single time already. This is just the first time he clearly articulated it.

OP posts:
TooBigForMyBoots · 01/12/2021 09:54

@sadiesad you definitely did the right thing. You are worth so much more than how he was treating you.

Broken hearts are painful but they do heal.Flowers

Tittyfilarious81 · 01/12/2021 09:59

@sadiesad you absolutely did the right thing,it hurts now but it's for the best you absolutely should not be 2 nd place to another woman .

Enough4me · 01/12/2021 10:03

Try to move forwards now and leave them to their twisted relationship.

It may help to think that although it appears that she was able to click her fingers and he'd go running, you actually don't know if he encouraged this and what the 'benefits' behind the nonsense were. I wouldn't trust anything he says as he hasn't been upfront.

CharityDingle · 01/12/2021 10:04

@BornInAThunderstorm

It sounds to me like he enjoyed being fought over. With you out of the picture she will also reduce contact as there’s no threat, and he will probably realise it for himself.

Please dont go back though op, you deserve someone who will make you the priority all the time

Exactly this. He was enjoying all this, at some level. Who the hell would think it acceptable for a friend to treat their partner with such rudeness!

Remember we teach people how to treat us. If you were ever to take him back, you would be telling him, and indeed her that it's okay to treat you like that, and it absolutely isn't.

Justilou1 · 01/12/2021 10:06

Right… she’s a psychopath. No question. Absolutely playing the “I don’t want you, but I don’t want you to want anyone else” game. She’s absolutely livid that he’s got anyone else. It’s not about you at all. You are not a person, you are an impediment to her ego. He’s a reflection too. As someone else said, both men are absolutely pathetic. She’s in competition with you and they are in competition with each other. What a horrible game. The only honest person here is you.

Shortpoet · 01/12/2021 10:15

He's always maintained there was no attraction from his side, and physically she isn't his normal type at all

It could be true that she’s not his type, but it’s not an actual denial that nothing has ever happened. People don’t like to outright lie, so they say things that sound like a denial but are not.

“She not my type” could mean I don’t fancy her much but we banged like rabbits anyway.

“I did not have sex with her” could mean they did everything else but sex.

“I would never do that” means I want you to think I’m a person who wouldn’t do that, but I’m not actually saying I didn’t.

Not that it matters now because congrats on dumping the toxic mess!

User5252727 · 01/12/2021 10:19

You did the right thing. I'm so sorry it's hurting at the moment. Give yourself time, and you'll see how much more you deserve.

billy1966 · 01/12/2021 10:22

OP,

Thank goodness you have chosen you.

She wants him to remain single.

He sounds utterly pathetic.

Don't reply to him.

Well rid.Flowers

Justilou1 · 01/12/2021 10:30

“He has maintained that there is no attraction between them” could also translate to “If given half a chance, every item of clothing would be ripped to shreds in seconds and wherever we were would lose it’s G rating STAT.”

MotherofTerriers · 01/12/2021 10:34

."He emailed to say he is sorry and sad it has come to this. "
If you want to reply, just point out that it was entirely his choice

You deserve better than this OP

Coronawireless · 01/12/2021 10:43

She is your DP’s number one but she married someone else. However as a pp said she likes having your DP there in case her husband ever leaves. And he is holding out for that crumb of hope. Is that really what you want to be married to? Dead right to wash your hands and move on.

JosephineDeBeauharnais · 01/12/2021 10:45

They’re Charles and Camilla - they will end up together, they’re just waiting for the stars to align / events to overtake them for it to happen. Best leave them to it.

TrufflesAndToast · 01/12/2021 10:45

You have absolutely done the right thing and we’ll done for having enough self respect to walk away from a man who can’t put you first when he can see his friend is treating you like crap. It’s a shame more women don’t have the strength to demand better treatment from their partners.

There’s some weird dynamic going on there and whatever it is doesn’t really concern you anymore. Sounds to me like he has feelings of some sort for her. The bottom line is that he was more willing to lose a long term relationship with you than he was to lose her presence in his life…that’s all you need to know. Men are simple creatures most of the time and if he wanted to be with you he would do what was necessary to make that happen. Especially when it’s glaringly obvious this is all one sided and not in any way your fault.

Congratulate yourself for walking away from this toxic mess and pity the next woman who walks into it. And whatever you do, DO NOT consider getting back with him, ever.