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AIBU? Family relationship

121 replies

cherrytrees96 · 26/11/2021 09:17

Sorry long one!

I’m 25 and I’ve always had a bit of a funny relationship with my family. Two older sisters who I’ve grown up feeling belittled by and ganged up on. I feel like I get on with them sometimes and they’re completely off with me the next. There’s a lot of underlying tension which turns into claiming I don’t care about them and drunk arguments usually fuelled by them. They’ve called me an attention seeker before (because I said I felt depressed in lockdown), they leave me out of cousin events and when I went travelling for two months they didn’t even ask about it. I wouldn’t say I’m close with them.

I live with them and my parents who I know for a fact care about me. They step up when they need to eg picking me up from places, helping me move things to uni etc etc. I’m really grateful for them. But things aren’t always rosey with them either - they laughed at me last year when I struggled in lockdown and said I felt hopeless. Dad said mental health issues aren’t real. I’ve also been so close to moving out 2 or 3 times. I also know everyone constantly talks about me behind my back as mum says so.

Here’s the latest problem - I’ve been with my DP about 6months now. I’m extremely happy and it’s a calm, refreshing relationship. We see each other one evening a week, and the weekend (one or two days depending on plans with friends). We both have our own space and lives. He’s met my family, come to some events (not all) and really fits in. I asked if he could come for Christmas evening and they said it was okay. When I bring DP round they greet him with warmth and my sisters really like him.
The other day I bought him round on our usual evening. My DP is a really chilled person but he asked if he’d done something wrong as everyone seemed really off with him. I reassured him that everyone’s probably tired and he’s done nothing.

Fast forward to today and I ask my family if DP can come to the family meal we have booked. Instantly it kicked off. My parents said that them and my sister feel that I’m “self absorbed”, “too needy” and “obsessed”. They said they’ve all been talking about how I am messing up relationship single handedly and I am toxic (bearing in mind my last one was 5 years and ended amicably and maturely). Im being too intense seeing him twice a week.
They said “why do you have to bring me and everyone here into your dramas” - this translates to me bringing my DP round one evening a week and eating dinner with them because I thought it was nice. Apparently that’s abnormal. My DP said he feels really welcome and loves spending time with them which I thought was lovely.

I mentioned me being invited to his family meal and mum said “I bet his parents are fed up of you”. She tried to tell me how my DP and his parents feel constantly. Said DP probably doesn’t even want to come for Christmas and I made him (he is so excited about it!).
She then said i was immature because, in a mimicky voice, “ooooh I’m all over Facebook and we’re staying in a little log cabin oooh” (I posted one picture of the trip).

I’m just completely baffled. I feel like I’m constantly walking on eggshells everyone talking about me 24/7. I now don’t feel like I can bring my DP round (he lives 45 mins away). They said it’s nothing to do with him as they like him - just me.

I want to move out but I’ll be devastated as I’m about a year away from having a house deposit and this will really really stunt my progress if I rent and it’ll take me probably a year longer at least. Plus there’s the hassle of finding a house share. I’m not sure it’s an option but it’s ridiculous.

I just am so baffled, upset and don’t know what to do.

OP posts:
Skiptheheartsandflowers · 08/12/2021 00:10

They're gaslighting you again. I know it's hard but don't be reeled in. They've behaved horribly to you. It's not your fault or your job to fix.

If you can stay a few more nights at your boyfriend's before the flat is available then I would. Other tactics for the short term could be grey rock. Say as little as possible to them, don't react, give very bland responses 'right' 'I see'. Wear headphones if you can to block them out and send a message you're not looking for conversation.

Don't ask any more about birthdays or Christmas. Whatever you do will be wrong. You can see that from their responses to you now.

Skiptheheartsandflowers · 08/12/2021 00:13

'Whatever I do seems to make you unhappy with me, so it seems like the best thing all round for me to stay out of your way'. Say that when they pick at you, on repeat, until you move out. Can you speed that up and go to your boyfriend's for a few nights?

cherrytrees96 · 08/12/2021 08:32

Thanks everyone :( I know you’re all right it’s just hard for me to get my head around. The thought of not spending Christmas with them really upsets me, I’ve always done it. And growing up I did have a happy childhood, they did a lot for me, mum has been there for me through some really hard times. I’m just really struggling to imagine it

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cherrytrees96 · 08/12/2021 08:55

@Skiptheheartsandflowers @Ogham thank you Flowers

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nocnoc · 08/12/2021 09:19

It’s really simple OP. They are insecure and jealous of you. That’s it. There’s no more to it. You’ve done nothing wrong. You are young, you have your whole life ahead of you and you have a lovely fella. Do not let them ruin your life with anger, nastiness and bitterness. Get your own life that does not include them. You cannot change them. Protect your own mental health however you need to. You must put yourself first. Move out. Move into a house share to make it cheaper. Stop relying on insecure and angry people. Get out even if it means it takes longer to buy. Once you are out they cannot do this to you anymore. You’re an adult now

nocnoc · 08/12/2021 09:23

You’ve said lots that your mum has been there when you need her. It’s really obvious to us outside of this. She thrives when your life is shit. She lashes out in nastiness when things are good for you. It’s jealousy and control. She likes to be needed and it feeds her ego if she can save you when your life is bad. It’s fucked up dynamics. Get therapy to understand this. I did for years which is why I see it from your posts. You need to get distance and firmly instigate boundaries and find others to rely on. She will really step it up if you have kids!

nocnoc · 08/12/2021 09:29

I strongly urge you to get a therapist that you see weekly for support. Your family are verbally and emotionally abusive and have been for your entire life. The things they say are not normal. You will need help and support or you will keep self sabotaging because they’ve instilled negative self doubt inside you. Get help. Keep going with moving out.

Goldandguns · 08/12/2021 09:31

@cherrytrees96 I really feel for you. I have been there with the toxic narc parents and moved out later than I probably should've (I was 23 and in my first trimester). The entire family spent months making me feel like I was the one in the wrong and that they did everything because they cared. My younger sister later saw my dad and brother particularly for what they were and left a few years after I did at 20 and we are both NC with the family now.

They are toxic to you and their 'love' is conditional. Even after you move out they'll try to make you feel guilty - minimise your contact completely, go NC if you can and you'll see that being connected by blood is not the only family you can have.

Good luck Flowers

Eddielzzard · 08/12/2021 09:32

You are doing so well, being so strong.

They are emotionally abusive. They've cast you in the role of black sheep and will destroy or make fun of anything that is positive in your life. They relish bringing you down and will disparage any sign of independence. Your sisters are following your parents' example it seems.

I'm so sorry, because the very people who should have your back are the ones you need to protect yourself from.

Well done on finding that flat. I think you need to go NC with them for a while, clear your head, find yourself, work through some of the shit that is your relationship with them. You really need some space, not more head fuck shit.

billy1966 · 08/12/2021 10:35

@Eddielzzard

You are doing so well, being so strong.

They are emotionally abusive. They've cast you in the role of black sheep and will destroy or make fun of anything that is positive in your life. They relish bringing you down and will disparage any sign of independence. Your sisters are following your parents' example it seems.

I'm so sorry, because the very people who should have your back are the ones you need to protect yourself from.

Well done on finding that flat. I think you need to go NC with them for a while, clear your head, find yourself, work through some of the shit that is your relationship with them. You really need some space, not more head fuck shit.

They know that you are well capable of living independently of them but they cannot bear the idea of it.

It is very painful to realise that your role in your parents lives is to be bullied and undermined.

Therapy would show this to you.

Yours is not a nice healthy family.

That you would think for a second any of what you have written is normal and acceptable goes to show just how toxic your upbringing was.

You need to move out asap.

ASAP.

You need distance and therapy.

If you do not put distance between you and get therapy to help you see the truth of your upbringing, these people are capable of ruining your precious life.

Your sisters will continue when your parents die.

Help yourself, save yourself.

Your life has great value and potential.

Flowers
cherrytrees96 · 08/12/2021 12:18

Thank you everyone. Some of my friends think I should suck it up until Christmas and keep the peace, then distance myself after. I’m still so torn because Christmas without my family will devastate me.

But I absolutely understand what you’re all saying, thanks all so much. It’s doing it that’s the hard part Flowers

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billy1966 · 08/12/2021 13:22

This is a case of short term pain for long term gain.

Who knows if you step back, take some space and get counselling which will hopefully give you clarity and strength, perhaps you can have a low contact relationship with your family.

They have chosen to treat you badly.

They want you weak and obedient and accepting of any abuse and belittling they direct at you.

You are at a crossroads in your life as to how you want your future to be.

Your life has huge value and potential.

I really hope you choose YOU, and to know longer be the whipping girl for your family.Flowers

Eddielzzard · 08/12/2021 14:13

Christmas without my family will devastate me

What I think is actually devastating is the realisation that your family are your worst nightmare. The idea of Christmas being that everyone gets together and has a lovely time, but do they in reality? What have your past Christmases been like? Have they actually been lovely for you, or have you had to toe the line and 'behave' and 'suck things up for the greater good'. As long as you go along with their narrative you're ok, walking on eggshells, being grateful etc.

Let this Christmas be quiet and gentle. See if you can plan something with a good friend. Treat yourself. Take care of yourself.

Lizzy1980 · 08/12/2021 15:42

What a terrible situation for you OP. I know you'll be disappointed about having to start renting when you're so close to having enough for a deposit but honestly a year will fly by and it's a small price to pay.

mytwosonshines · 08/12/2021 20:30

This really breaks my heart, I have two sons and would never speak to them like this or want to belittle them like that.
As said before I think they are all quite toxic and have narcissistic traits. It almost sounds like theyr all a little jealous of you!

Don't change who you are for them and don't let them ruin your relationship with their negative comments, at 25 I would lessen your involvement with them in your life and what's going on. Do your thing and be happy, they don't really need to know what your doing etc if they can't be nice about it.

I have no advice other than to try and stick it out until you have your deposit, and stop involving them so much so that your mental health doesn't suffer. Your doing great Smile

mytwosonshines · 08/12/2021 20:33

I stand by my message but changed my mind, move out. The more I read your message the more I wish I could help you get out myself!

harmonyhall · 08/12/2021 21:21

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annielouisa · 08/12/2021 21:50

Please just leave your DP will help until you can be in your flat. This people are toxic they have conditioned you. You are the family punchbag and the parents have enabled your sisters to bully you and belittle you.

If you do not leave now they will damage you so you and unable to recognise abuse. Please leave and build your own life

Immunetypegoblin · 08/12/2021 22:20

If you stay with them for Christmas then you will have a horrible time, I guarantee it. Nothing that you've said anywhere here implies that it has any chance of going well. Of course, they will imply that you not staying for Christmas is utterly unforgivable. To them, that will be true - to them you don't matter as a person, so how dare you exert a will, and one that differs from theirs to boot.

Please get out before then xx

Newestname002 · 09/12/2021 07:02

@cherrytrees96

Thank you everyone. Some of my friends think I should suck it up until Christmas and keep the peace, then distance myself after. I’m still so torn because Christmas without my family will devastate me.

But I absolutely understand what you’re all saying, thanks all so much. It’s doing it that’s the hard part Flowers

I agree with everyone saying to stay away. Whilst you are deciding, remember this abusive behaviour towards you.

They took away my car key and wouldn’t let me leave. Dad threw me to the floor, gripping my coat tight so that I couldn’t move and by this point I was a state and was trying to leave (I didn’t feel unsafe, I just wanted to leave and clear my head).
Mum threatened to call the police and they were both looking down on me saying “look at her, she’s an animal, shall we call a doctor, she’s not right in the head”.

These are not good people, OP, I'm sorry. Stay with your boyfriend/partner until you have sorted your rental property and protect yourself from this unnatural behaviour. 🌹

RockinHorseShit · 09/12/2021 07:28

Move out & block your sisters on SM

Toxic & dysfunctional as hell. Mine are/were like this too & I was scapegoated. Turns out after DM died that golden balls DB had manipulated a lot of the very bizarre drama I've had, such as my offering to help DB out by buying a flat to rent to him as he was having awful landlord trouble & couldn't buy himself... was my taking advantage of his bad luck to cash in& they were disgusted that I was such a mercenary bitch & so cut me off for months Confused

DB it turned out was pretty much stalking me on SM for fodder to exaggerate & wind up DM... it eventually became very obvious just how raging jealous & misogynistic he was & couldn't bear that I'd apparently beat golden balls at life with no dick... who even knew it was a competition Confused

A friend once pointed out that I was calmest she'd ever known me, when I was NC with toxic family

Your MH is worth more than this

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