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The silent treatment runs in my family. They are like haughty toddlers.

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AnFiadhRua · 20/11/2021 10:35

So sick of it, and dreading Christmas. It's weird how rife it is, clicked on two threads and two people are being given the silent treatment by their partners.

My mother used to give me the silent treatment the moment I failed to endorse her rosy perception of herself. My father holds her coat in this quite happily, her willing foot soldier. My brother threw me under a bus for trying to be heard. They all talk about me but not to me.

The narrative in my family of origin is that I am sensitive, emotional, that I ....shout

And yet, my mother, having orchestrated a smear campaign that has reached cousins via my aunts, now wants ''a happy Christmas''.

She wants me to play the part of Daughter. Summonsed back to play the part of daughter but still, just to be clear, STILL denied any voice, any communication. She told me that my father and her decided not to throw accusations around. What I call a conversation, she calls '''throwing accusations around''.

If you try to connect with my mother, she literally gets angry.

But if I'm to go back to heel for Christmas, not sure what I'll be invited to under sufferance yet, but the narrative will be that they're saints overlooking my ''behaviour'' (ie, me raising my voice trying to make my point after they'd decided between them that there would be NO conversation with me about the hurt I told them they caused me, but not telling me that this was decided, and yet, when I said that they were stonewalling me, I was told ''no we're not''.)

I'm single and that's a problem only in that they don't respect me on my own. If I had a partner in my corner they would have acknowledged that they hurt me. But they have no respect for me. They own me.

I must respect their right to hurt me and stone wall me. But.............. I'm summonsed at Christmas. Even though, whatever distorted martyred accounts of our falling out my mother has given to my aunts, they didn't respond to a simple text I sent to thank them for something they sent to my daughter.

Anybody else feel like their family has the emotional intelligence of a bunch of toddlers? But worse, haughty toddlers who have zero self-awareness but act appalled by my ''behaviour''.

If I cut them off, I'll be the worst in the world and it'll be half way around Ireland what an ingrate I am after all they did for me. The 8 aunts will tell the 32 cousins who'll tell their spouses and they all believe it.

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Dacquoise · 21/11/2021 20:40

Thank you @ChargingBuck, I am a Black Sheep and proud of it. The buck stops here!

2Gen · 22/11/2021 14:47

"A daycent shtick of an Irishman", lol, love it! I was born and lived most of my life in England and had to come here to meet a daycent fella because all I found in England were users and abusers, including my young fella's father! I sure wasn't expecting and had given up on men entirely when I met him and had no notion we'd end up married! It is significant he's a sort of scapegoat too; I think perhaps we "get" each other. I'm trying to help him with setting boundaries as he's a heart of gold and loves to help but his family just ignore him when they don't want anything from him, all take and barely any give! It infuriated me for a long time but now, he's better at setting limits and we are both happier for it!
Anyway, DM me if you ever want to chat to someone who gets it and have a good oul' vent! As I said, I miss the friendship of women and as I was also a single mother for 9 years as well as a scapegoat, I'd be able to relate!

ChubbyMorticia · 22/11/2021 15:42

Other posters have it right. There are no magic words to get them to accept you declining with any sort of grace. No matter what you say, they're going to twist it to fuel their narrative.

The only thing worse would be attending so they could use that.

"That doesn't work for me."

"No. I don't think I'd enjoy that."

AnFiadhRua · 22/11/2021 18:01

Thanks 2gen congratulations on finding a daysent shtikk. My childrens father (English) he's nuts, abusive, far worse than my mother! But he is not the ambassador for English men. Obviously the problem was the frequency i was resonating on :-/
I gave, he took. I sublimated my needs, he insisted i met his needs. One of those set ups! I didnt leave, I escaped. The only time i came close to feeling serious about somebody, i had to recognise that he drank too much and that's really co dependent, hoping an otherwise lovely man would drink less! 🍷
We should have a motley crew of walking wounded meetup in Dublin. Im atually fun. 🤡😬

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ChargingBuck · 22/11/2021 18:07

@AnFiadhRua I've so enjoyed your comments & posting style. Have a very, very, happy & fuckwit-free christmas :) xx

HalfHope · 22/11/2021 18:41

AnFiadhRua - I'm from Dublin - been a long time since I've had a night out there!

HalfHope · 22/11/2021 18:42

ah just remember anFiadhRua when a pawn gets to the other side of the chess board she can become a Queen!

AnFiadhRua · 22/11/2021 19:07

@HalfHope

ah just remember anFiadhRua when a pawn gets to the other side of the chess board she can become a Queen!
Oh wow I love that saying! ♟👸
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AnFiadhRua · 22/11/2021 19:08

Will enjoy a calm fuckwit free Christmas.
If it's not too early, same to you all! 🎄

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HalfHope · 22/11/2021 19:28

I had been quite upset about my family situation but had a breast cancer scare over the last few weeks. Got the all clear this morning and left the clinic thinking the family weren't going occupy my headspace any more. It was a reality check.

Muttly · 22/11/2021 19:30

AnFiadhRua

I’m so sorry for what you have been through being a family scapegoat is seriously hurtful but I do have a small bit of good news for you

If I cut them off, I'll be the worst in the world and it'll be half way around Ireland what an ingrate I am after all they did for me. The 8 aunts will tell the 32 cousins who'll tell their spouses and they all believe it

You can’t be the worst ingrate in the world around all of the small parishes up and down Ireland because I got there first. I finally fully cut my family off for sweeping serious CSA under the rug and that has given me the much coveted title for the Irish category in the Worst in the World so I’m sorry the best you can hope for is to come a close second.

I hope the absolutely misplaced humour above is taken as the truly glorious inappropriate Irish dark humour in what is truly a shitty shitty situation for you. You don’t deserve any of this.

Kikkomam · 22/11/2021 19:32

Just don't go.

LittleSF · 25/11/2021 17:14

Another Irish woman here going through the same thing - have been scapegoated from my family pretty much since I was born. Was told I was a lovely child until I took ill aged one and that changed my personality and turned me into the horrible person I am today! It's only recently I've realised just what an awful thing that was to tell a child, that people would like me more if I hadn't gotten sick when I was one years old.

I only recently came across the term scapegoat and it's made me see that in fact, I'm not The Worst in the World. I'm quite nice - I have my flaws but I do like to be kind and I think of others a lot.

OP, my family has decided not to talk to me for about four months now so it'll just be our little family of three for the first time ever. I'm sad they've decided to do this but I won't let it ruin things for me. I've bought them small gifts, from my child, which I'll drop down to one sibling who kinda speaks to me and that'll be it.

Whatever you decide to do, have a wonderful Christmas, will think of you in the run up and on the day, here for moral support if you need it!

unname · 25/11/2021 17:27

Any way that you could take a trip over Christmas? Make a new tradition and give yourself an out if anyone mentions it?

ChargingBuck · 25/11/2021 17:40

Congrats on your all-clear AND on your new sense of perspective @HalfHope
Flowers

HalfHope · 25/11/2021 17:49

Thanks so much @chargingbuck. It's been an eye-opener and I'm so grateful to be okay.

AnFiadhRua · 25/11/2021 18:17

@littleSF for what little it's worth, im sure you are lovely. Xx 🍷🎄
Let them miss you. Their loss. Enjoy the relaxing day at home the 3 of you.

I wont be summonsed for xmas lunch this year. Im the one who usually asks questions and keeps the conversation going. God knows how scintillating the conversation will be without me.

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TidyOmlette · 25/11/2021 19:43

I feel for you OP. Going through the exact same thing. I wasn’t a ‘perfect’ daughter during a recent family bereavement so I was completely ignored during the funeral and not involved in any decision making. Looks like I’ll be on my own this Christmas for not willing to be a punching bag any longer!

LittleSF · 25/11/2021 20:00

@TidyOmlette

I feel for you OP. Going through the exact same thing. I wasn’t a ‘perfect’ daughter during a recent family bereavement so I was completely ignored during the funeral and not involved in any decision making. Looks like I’ll be on my own this Christmas for not willing to be a punching bag any longer!
TidyOmlette, are you me? That's exactly what happened to me, the exact same experience. I got a shock just reading your post. It's horrible, isn't it? But in a weird way the relief of not having to deal with their version of the truth anymore is a relief.
CheekyHobson · 25/11/2021 20:02

It does take a lot of acceptance to not care what they think

You know, I think you are a very long way along the path to freedom but you're asking yourself to do something very tricky here.

It's normal and healthy to care about what other people think. It's not normal and healthy to not care at all about what other people think (as seems to be how your parents behave towards you). It's also not normal and healthy to care so much about what other people think that you feel compelled to do what they want in order to keep the peace.

The middle way is that you can feel sad and disappointed and hurt that your parents can't see your experience and perspective as legitimate.

You can feel compassion for them too. Their behaviours probably stem from their own deep and unrecognised wounds, and they will experience hurt themselves when you respond in an appropriately self-protective way to their harmful words and behaviours.

It's sad that they lack the ability to respond in a healthy way to not getting the relationship they want by thinking about their part in the dynamic and changing themselves, but that's not your problem to deal with.

You can even accept/embrace (gently) their feelings towards you. "Mum and Dad, I know you find it very difficult when I express my honest feelings about our relationship. I know you want to have a peaceful family Christmas, but for me, our unresolved issues mean that a peaceful Christmas is only possible if I pretend everything is fine when it's really not fine for me. I don't want to cause you any stress at Christmas, but I also don't want to cause myself stress. So I think it's best that we spend this one apart. I hope you have a lovely day with the rest of the family."

TidyOmlette · 25/11/2021 20:46

@LittleSF long lost sister perhaps?😂 feel free to send a message. It’s quite lonely isn’t it and despite my brain knowing it’s not healthy and this isn’t acceptable it still really hurts

Muttly · 25/11/2021 23:01

Excellent post @CheekyHobson really captures the complexity of these situations

Iguessyourestuckwithme · 29/11/2021 14:25

Excellent post CheekyHobson

AnFiadhRua · 29/11/2021 22:19

I thought I'd update you all that I got a text from my Mum telling me that she hopes I can grow in to the person I'm supposed to be.

Angry

She really sees herself as the emotionally mature one.

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HalfHope · 29/11/2021 23:13

Classy 😁 hold your ground anfiadh