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Erectile Dysfunction (ED) & What to do when she needs time and space, but misunderstanding could be critical!

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zEleanorRigby · 02/11/2021 16:19

My partner has a dismissive avoidant attachment style and regularly becomes withdrawn and cold. I myself have more of an anxious preoccupied attachment style, although since discovering attachment theory I am better able to respond in these situations know that I am assured that her reasons for withdrawal are usually more to do with how she's feeling internally.

I've been gradually developing ED this year, and the last time we met it had gone from issues maintaining an erection to full blown 'can't get it up if I tried' ED, which she has chosen to interpret as a sign that I am no longer attracted to her, which couldn't be further from the truth. This is actually a complete myth that every sexual health professional will tell you. I've told her on a few occasions now the reasons I suspect it is happening, which relate to anxiety and related mental health issues that I am receiving therapy for. After our last meet it was clear to me that it was triggering the next bout of withdrawal and I sent her a long and detailed message to explain that the ED had nothing to do with her and actually sent her links to websites that would confirm this and better explain why ED happens. I hoped it would help reassure her, but I know she doesn't like to talk about emotional issues and suspect she's not read any of the info I sent her and would rather maintain the bogus myth much to her detriment, and therefore much to my detriment also. I am working to fix my own issues but they go right back to my early years and it's taking time to decipher things. We've been in this relationship for a few years now, but have previous history which was on/off with large gaps in between, and I perceived this as rejection each time, went through the heartbreak etc etc. Because of this I probably don't express myself in a hugely genuine way anymore and I don't get excited about things like I did when I was a child, but it doesn't alter the way I feel about her, I'm more in love than I ever was. It has increased my own anxiety because I fear losing her more, and the ED only started to progress after I started worrying about how it could affect things. I am naturally working to rectify this, but how long is a piece of string.

Should I continue to give her space and time, or is this pivotal moment when I need to intervene?

She is going through her own crisis of confidence right now, so this could not have come at a worse time. She is experiencing a high level of stress and pressure from work and family commitments, and issues regarding the father of her child who I believe is being emotionally abusive to her. Oh and she also has not gotten over the death of her father some 15 years ago.

She can't trust herself to not eat a whole massive bar of chocolate, so her answer is to never have chocolate in the house. This is her preferred avoidant technique. Her answer to any personal emotional problem is to downplay and ignore it, and focus on something else. She has overloaded herself with even more work, social events (not with me) which involves a lot of alcohol consumption, and even charitable work. This ensures she has no unoccupied time in which she could let her emotional guard down.

As well as wanting to reassure her of my feelings, I have wanted to talk about her own issues and encourage her to seek therapy. But the problem with dismissive avoidant people is that they have to actually want to change, in order for them to learn about their mental health and see therapy. So often they reject any form of intervention. The irony is that they have are strong minded and have great willpower when it comes to avoidance, so much so that they are more than capable of tackling their traumatic and unresolved past.

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Babdoc · 02/11/2021 16:26

OP, I sympathise, but this relationship really sounds like a codependent shitfest between two broken people who are unlikely to be able to help each other with their problems.
Perhaps you would be better advised to not date anyone, while you work through your own issues with therapy, plus have a medical check that your ED is not down to vascular problems/associated cardiac disease/diabetes/neurological problems.
Once sorted out, cautiously start dating again, but preferably not with damaged people carrying emotional baggage and unable to engage with you in the manner you would wish.

Colin56 · 02/11/2021 16:27

I think because you are in therapy you are seeing the whole world through a therapy lens, I mean this in the kindest of ways but your whole post is very much 'you' focussed. Do you think you could just relate to your partner & life itself in a normal fashion without talking about interventions and attachment styles? I would find your style of communicating very difficult to live with.

BudgeSquare · 02/11/2021 16:33

My partner has a dismissive avoidant attachment style and regularly becomes withdrawn and cold. I myself have more of an anxious preoccupied attachment style, although since discovering attachment theory I am better able to respond in these situations know that I am assured that her reasons for withdrawal are usually more to do with how she's feeling internally.

You speak to her like this and she still takes her knickers off? Confused

altmember · 02/11/2021 16:48

What do you mean by 'the last time you met'? How often do you see each other? Is this a full on relationship or just a FwB arrangement? If you're primarily seeing each other for sex and you can't get it up, then that's going to put a lot of strain on things.

Regardless, you can buy ED meds online (use a reputable place obviously, not just any old email link). Try tadalafil first, as that's a more subtle/less side effect drug than viagra. Oh, and presume you're not on any other meds, especially antidepressants?

zEleanorRigby · 02/11/2021 19:13

No, I don't speak to anyone like this. I've written this account to attract responses from people who understand some of the mental health issues raised, in particular attachment theory, which is still not well known or talked about. Plus I edited it to make it as short and detailed as possible. I may read it back now and see it as insensitive or poorly described, but I wouldn't have been posting at all if I wasn't overwhelmed by the situation and its perceived urgency.

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zEleanorRigby · 02/11/2021 19:21

To explain it in full would take forever. We don't live together and due to circumstances are stuck in a prolonged dating phase. Certainly not a FWB. Last time we saw each other, she left disappointed about the ED and convinced that it was because of my attraction to her. ED destroys so many relationships because people believe the myths and don't read up on the facts.

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BudgeSquare · 02/11/2021 19:25

@zEleanorRigby

No, I don't speak to anyone like this. I've written this account to attract responses from people who understand some of the mental health issues raised, in particular attachment theory, which is still not well known or talked about. Plus I edited it to make it as short and detailed as possible. I may read it back now and see it as insensitive or poorly described, but I wouldn't have been posting at all if I wasn't overwhelmed by the situation and its perceived urgency.
This was the short version?!
Palavah · 02/11/2021 19:27

Your post reads a lot like you're trying to control her reaction/ fix her/educate her.

She's an adult, you've explained what's happening with you. If you feel you've been honest about what you are feeling and what you want then you need to let her digest and respect her response.

Not sure what you think you 'intervening' should look like?

Focus on doing your work rather than worrying about the work she should be doing.

zEleanorRigby · 02/11/2021 19:31

I know that after the last year I've had I've become hyperaware of mental health issues to the extent where it may not help me reduce my anxiety. I do get that my post may seem erratic. I actually edited it before posting and took out so much that I deemed 'waffle' for the purpose of sticking to the point, but the observations I mentioned were done over a few years but only very recently (after receiving therapy) did I start to recognise them and see the importance.

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MultiStorey · 02/11/2021 19:42

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zEleanorRigby · 02/11/2021 19:49

Thank you for the advice. I know people who have an obsession with "fixing people" and it's a nasty trait, and I wouldn't want to start doing just that, which is why I posted on here. I've not mentioned any of this to her because;

  1. I know it's not my place to do so.
  2. You can only change yourself!
  3. I am hardly the best person to be offering mental health advice now, given my current position.

I've followed the advice given my relationship counsellors and tried to talk openly about the ED, but it's not been acknowledged I don't want her perceive it as any kind of criticism, especially now. Obviously I don't want the relationship to end either, especially thanks to a ridiculous myth that's done the rounds. I think it's obvious at this point that I can only sit back and wait.

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seventyminutes · 02/11/2021 20:06

I can only comment from the woman's perspective here because experiencing ED from the other partners point of view is heartbreaking and very damaging to your own self esteem.

If you want to do your part the best you can for her, in my opinion I would consider the following...

  1. Constantly reassure her that it is not her
  2. Constantly compliment her on her looks, how much you fancy her etc etc
  3. Be as honest and open as you can about your issues
  4. Keep working on yourself to get over these issues (I might have missed it in the post/replies but are you taking viagra at all?)
  5. If you cant get or maintain an erection, remember that there are always other ways to be sexually intimate, pay more attention to her and satisfy her that way until you can successfully make love to her

On the other hand, her own issues are not your problems to fix. Concentrate on yours and doing what you can, she alone only has the responsibility to do something about her side.

Good luck OP, I hope you manage to overcome this

seventyminutes · 02/11/2021 20:08

In addition to that I can ask you a personal question if you would not mind answering?

What do you need from her to support you?

Suprima · 02/11/2021 20:11

Sounds like she wants to break it off but can’t bring herself to do it. Hence the slow fade and making herself busy, rather than the attachment style pop psychology you have sketched out.

To put it bluntly, she doesn’t need to stay with someone with ED. You are in the ‘prolonged dating stage’ ie. no-commitment. How long has this ‘prolonged dating stage’ been happening?

If you were her husband with ED, it might be a bit different. But this is all too much effort. And ED makes a woman feel shit- even if knows it’s not her fault.

category12 · 02/11/2021 20:13

Could you try viagra to help you through this?

zEleanorRigby · 03/11/2021 00:28

Overthinker! Over-explainer!

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me4real · 03/11/2021 00:46

It's obnoxious how you talk about her as if you know her better than she knows herself and think she has so many issues.

altmember · 03/11/2021 00:50

Part of the problem is that a narrative if modern society (actually probably much longer) is that men think with their dicks, that they get a hard on every time they see an attractive woman etc. So then when a bloke can't get it up, the first thing a woman thinks is that 'he doesn't fancy me, he's not into me'. Then they start feeling insecure (even reasonably confident women can have a wobble). You've already tried to explain to her that she's not the problem, but you're really going to have your work cut out to actually convince her. Best thing you can do is to try and overcome it.

Are you on any meds that could be causing ED as a side effect?
Have you tried any ED meds?

Snugglybuggly · 03/11/2021 01:07

Why is everyone on MN so horrible to men

Bollindger · 03/11/2021 09:41

Been here done that.
First you need to talk to her.
Explain that it's not you won't, it's you can't.
Tell her you can see she is upset, but while you can't get an errection, that does not mean you can't make her orgasm.
If she wants you to go to bed, so long as she knows this then your happy to pleasure her.
Go read some books and learn if you don't already know how to.

microbius · 03/11/2021 09:49

Well done for posting and for working on your issues. I am myself upset to see some of the responses upthread; just dumb.

I have no experience of this but must be very difficult for you. Like a previous poster said, ideally you need to find someone who can give you what you need, some secure attachment.

I read a bit about attachment theory and while I don't think I have suchlike issues, I had a rather narc ex and I distinctly remember the feeling of being starved; of attention, kindness, love. I am now with a new partner who is the opposite and I can't begin to tell you how happy I am; and it's been literally years and years of happiness. I would not have thought that people like him existed and was drawn to narc-like men before him. So no real advice bar treat yourself well and take care of yourself. Good luck

Bollocks989 · 03/11/2021 21:31

OP, it sounds like you care, but it also sounds stressful for you. I wonder if it might be an idea to let this one go?

MissyB1 · 03/11/2021 21:56

My dh has suffered with this on and off for our whole relationship, and we’ve been together 16 years, married for 13!!
I know how soul destroying it can be from her side.
We have learned to focus on being very kind to each other when ED rears it’s head. I went through a phase of taking it personally, and that was understandable but totally unhelpful and in fact exacerbated the issue.

Dh had a good book from Relate on the subject and we read it together. It strikes me that you two are not tackling this together. It’s like you see it as your issue, and she has her issues.
It’s for you both to address together, you need to be a team. It’s an issue for both of you.

smoko · 03/11/2021 23:57

Every bloke have dated with ED (only a few but enough of a sample size I think?) has been a needy attachment style (I.e anxious & insecure)

They also seemed to have a desire and/or expectation for the woman they’re dating to help & support them through their trauma.

Is he may well be frustrated with having to deal with the impact of your ED on her, which is unsatisfying sex. I hope you still make sure she orgasms during your encounters.

I think it’s quite arrogant to be focusing on her fixing her supposed issues when your ED is primarily the issue which has made you post.

This is also something I noticed when dating ED blokes, when you break up with them & are honest that the sex is an issue they make it about you & your issues, how unfair you’re being!

I’m sorry you have an ED issue but nobody is obligated to keep dating you & people are allowed to cool off to you.

As you say you’re in a prolonged dating phase” so not even official. So would suggest keeping your opinion that she needs therapy to yourself

It’s you who needs help to overcome your issues & that should be your focus here.

smoko · 04/11/2021 00:00

And if you can’t fix it, maybe try dating someone who identifies as asexual & doesn’t want penetrative sex.

Don’t date someone who expects a full sex life & continue offering them unsatisfying sex, because that will make someone cool towards you.

If your ED is insurmountable an asexual person will not mind this as it’s not a dealbreaker issue for them

If your instinct is that you don’t want to date an asexual person then think about how this attitude may have impacted your GF - expecting that she put up with this when you wouldn’t want to put up with an asexual taking sex off the table for you.

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