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Erectile Dysfunction (ED) & What to do when she needs time and space, but misunderstanding could be critical!

64 replies

zEleanorRigby · 02/11/2021 16:19

My partner has a dismissive avoidant attachment style and regularly becomes withdrawn and cold. I myself have more of an anxious preoccupied attachment style, although since discovering attachment theory I am better able to respond in these situations know that I am assured that her reasons for withdrawal are usually more to do with how she's feeling internally.

I've been gradually developing ED this year, and the last time we met it had gone from issues maintaining an erection to full blown 'can't get it up if I tried' ED, which she has chosen to interpret as a sign that I am no longer attracted to her, which couldn't be further from the truth. This is actually a complete myth that every sexual health professional will tell you. I've told her on a few occasions now the reasons I suspect it is happening, which relate to anxiety and related mental health issues that I am receiving therapy for. After our last meet it was clear to me that it was triggering the next bout of withdrawal and I sent her a long and detailed message to explain that the ED had nothing to do with her and actually sent her links to websites that would confirm this and better explain why ED happens. I hoped it would help reassure her, but I know she doesn't like to talk about emotional issues and suspect she's not read any of the info I sent her and would rather maintain the bogus myth much to her detriment, and therefore much to my detriment also. I am working to fix my own issues but they go right back to my early years and it's taking time to decipher things. We've been in this relationship for a few years now, but have previous history which was on/off with large gaps in between, and I perceived this as rejection each time, went through the heartbreak etc etc. Because of this I probably don't express myself in a hugely genuine way anymore and I don't get excited about things like I did when I was a child, but it doesn't alter the way I feel about her, I'm more in love than I ever was. It has increased my own anxiety because I fear losing her more, and the ED only started to progress after I started worrying about how it could affect things. I am naturally working to rectify this, but how long is a piece of string.

Should I continue to give her space and time, or is this pivotal moment when I need to intervene?

She is going through her own crisis of confidence right now, so this could not have come at a worse time. She is experiencing a high level of stress and pressure from work and family commitments, and issues regarding the father of her child who I believe is being emotionally abusive to her. Oh and she also has not gotten over the death of her father some 15 years ago.

She can't trust herself to not eat a whole massive bar of chocolate, so her answer is to never have chocolate in the house. This is her preferred avoidant technique. Her answer to any personal emotional problem is to downplay and ignore it, and focus on something else. She has overloaded herself with even more work, social events (not with me) which involves a lot of alcohol consumption, and even charitable work. This ensures she has no unoccupied time in which she could let her emotional guard down.

As well as wanting to reassure her of my feelings, I have wanted to talk about her own issues and encourage her to seek therapy. But the problem with dismissive avoidant people is that they have to actually want to change, in order for them to learn about their mental health and see therapy. So often they reject any form of intervention. The irony is that they have are strong minded and have great willpower when it comes to avoidance, so much so that they are more than capable of tackling their traumatic and unresolved past.

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smoko · 04/11/2021 00:04

Also in my experience of abusive relationships the sex was always good. It was a big factor in staying, that chemistry & connection can be very intoxicating.

I think you should instead of overanalysing her, give space & sort yourself out as a single person, don’t try to fix people or make them change to suit you.

Notashandyta · 04/11/2021 01:36

Nofap.

See if that helps...

smoko · 04/11/2021 05:53

@Notashandyta wasn’t gonna say it, but yeah…deathgrip’s a bitch!

Yusanaim · 04/11/2021 05:59

OP, I sympathise, but this relationship really sounds like a codependent shitfest between two broken people who are unlikely to be able to help each other with their problems.

Couldn't have put it better myself. I'm a psychology fiend and have diagnosed myself in the past and others but you are too into diagnosing what is a common problem. Split up. Get some cialis from the doc and move on.

IknowwhatIneed · 04/11/2021 06:54

I've written this account to attract responses from people who understand some of the mental health issues raised, in particular attachment theory, which is still not well known or talked about.

WTF attachment theory is one of the foundation theories in child/human development, hardly not well known.

In any event, attachment styles are quite tricky to assess, so I’d be interested to know where your diagnosis came from. Perhaps stop thinking of you and her in terms of attachment and start thinking of relationship cos honestly if I thought you were analysing me to that extent, you’d not see me for dust.

If she wants to be with you she will be, if she doesn’t she won’t, writing it off as an attachment issue utterly undermines her capacity as an adult to make decisions, and absolutely doesn’t give you the right to ignore her boundaries.

litterbird · 04/11/2021 06:54

I am sorry you are suffering from ED. My previous relationship had the same challenges. However much you explain to her its not her it is very difficult for the woman to deeply understand that and not think she is not attractive to you. I tried for 18 months to support and understand, there was a lot of affection with us at the time but at the end of the day it was, to me, half a relationship. I fancied him enormously but he was unable to get an erection. At the end of the day I separated from him with love and affection as I knew my needs were not being met and may never have been (he was 64 at the time). We remain very good friends now and we have lunch and chat frequently and I am in a relationship with a man who cannot get enough of me. For me I need a full relationship and that may be the case for your girlfriend. If you also in a perpetual dating situation then I think its time to give her space she needs, stop with the over analysing, get on with life without her and hopefully you will find someone a little more compatible to you. I would like to take a bet that your ED may disappear then.

Lili132 · 04/11/2021 08:20

@me4real

It's obnoxious how you talk about her as if you know her better than she knows herself and think she has so many issues.
What? There is nothing wrong about analysing and being aware of issues in relationship and that includes attachment styles. It's one post about specific issue. You really have no idea how he generally talks about her and what's the pattern here.

Honesty some women here are out to get at someone, especially if it's the man posting.

IknowwhatIneed · 04/11/2021 08:32

After our last meet it was clear to me that it was triggering the next bout of withdrawal and I sent her a long and detailed message to explain that the ED had nothing to do with her and actually sent her links to websites that would confirm this and better explain why ED happens. I hoped it would help reassure her, but I know she doesn't like to talk about emotional issues and suspect she's not read any of the info I sent her and would rather maintain the bogus myth much to her detriment,

In all honesty, having been in (and being the process of ending) a long term relationship where ED is a feature, all the factual information in the world doesn’t change the intense feelings of rejection when your partner can’t have sex with you. It’s a gut wrenching feeling that erodes your sense of self over time.

She may have read the stuff you sent her, may very well understand that it’s not always about attraction, and may still chose not to be in a relationship where intimacy is tricky. A sense of safety and security is so key to intimacy and that goes when you’re questioning whether he’s attracted to you and you don’t know that sexual contact will actually be welcomed and reciprocated.

How long do you think she should wait while you work on yourself and the issues you think are giving rise to ED? It sounds like it’s already been a while and she may just want a relationship where sex is less uncertain and less hard work. That is her right.

I agree you need to resolve the ED issues, I too strongly suspect that in the right relationship it will be much less of an issue.

NoBetterthanSheShouldBe · 04/11/2021 08:36

Totally agree with litterbird. I would not choose to date someone with ED and it would ‘friendzone’ any uncommitted relationship I was in. I don’t find any other bedroom activities completely satisfying.

In your pre-ED life, how would you have felt about being in a relationship with a woman who couldn’t engage in penetrative sex?

Ilovetheseventies · 04/11/2021 13:57

Having dated someone with ED I would say it's essential to try and relax around the situation.
Having said that the viagra has really helped.
I've tried to be emphatic and not see penetrative sex as the be all and end all of sex.
I think by me being anxious etc it doesn't help the situation. Generally it does happen.
I would not have thought it's because he doesn't fancy me. It sounds like you've got to give her alot of reassurance.
I think people fall into two camps. One where a partner is supportive or where they are not willing to put up with the situation.
Everyone has a right to deal with it in the way they wish. Are you sure it is worth all of this 🤔

Morningsaregreat · 04/11/2021 16:54

Fixing people is not a 'nasty trait' it is commonly known as codependency. You have said you have your own mental health issues then it would help if you understood that others do as well and belittling them does not help as I am sure you will find yourself.

It seems you both need separate professional help to work through your issues. I wish you luck op.

IknowwhatIneed · 05/11/2021 07:05

I think people fall into two camps. One where a partner is supportive or where they are not willing to put up with the situation.

I think there’s a third, supportive for however long, and then not prepared to put up with it. OPs partner sounds like she’s lived with this for a while.

MissyB1 · 05/11/2021 07:10

@IknowwhatIneed

I think people fall into two camps. One where a partner is supportive or where they are not willing to put up with the situation.

I think there’s a third, supportive for however long, and then not prepared to put up with it. OPs partner sounds like she’s lived with this for a while.

“Not prepared to put up with it”?

That just means the person isn’t that serious about the relationship.

IknowwhatIneed · 05/11/2021 07:28

Utter nonsense, how long should someone live without sex in a partner relationship? It’s been 15 years for me and I’m finally calling it a day. I couldn’t have been more supportive and more serious about the relationship but lack of intimacy absolutely erodes your self esteem and confidence. Or I’d this another “preserve the marriage at all costs”, “women don’t deserve sex” bullshit posts?

zEleanorRigby · 20/11/2021 14:25

Thank you for your response and for your understanding.

I could find some of the comments on here upsetting, but to be fair they were responding to a thread I wrote whilst in a reactive and severely anxious & panicked state, that tried to cover off about 20 years of the relationship's history in three minutes. So I admit it comes across insensitive and arrogant in places and can overlook the comments that aren't actually applicable.

Still some valid points made though. One stated that my post was self-focused, and I'm sad to say that was definitely true. I want to be attentive to her feelings, but on this occasion I got so preoccupied with how she was interpreting my ED, that I didn't stop to consider why she was. I think she is beautiful in every way and don't mind telling her so, but she has always been dismissive of compliments regarding her appearance saying that I must be "too loved up to see straight". She also gets camera shy when I want to take a photo of her. I feel now that perhaps I should have simply ignored the ED issues for the time being and switched all my focus on doing things to make her feel more valued in other parts of her life, as she may have been more accepting of it and this could indirectly help to sooth the self image. Yes/no?

I have spoken with her a few times recently to let her know that I'm there for her, and when I start to try and offer advise I now reign myself in and instead just try to acknowledge her feelings and offer reassurances without suggesting ways to try and fix it. I want to arrange a meet up with the view of talking openly about our relationship and addressing any doubts. My therapist began to unearth various unresolved problems and traumas from my childhood including abuse from parents, and how growing up with a narcissistic mother (which came as a surprise) had prevented me from ever knowing what my needs were, and from opening up and being vulnerable with a partner. So I have a better idea of what I need to do now, and am grateful for yours and others comments and suggestions.

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zEleanorRigby · 20/11/2021 14:33

@microbius

Well done for posting and for working on your issues. I am myself upset to see some of the responses upthread; just dumb.

I have no experience of this but must be very difficult for you. Like a previous poster said, ideally you need to find someone who can give you what you need, some secure attachment.

I read a bit about attachment theory and while I don't think I have suchlike issues, I had a rather narc ex and I distinctly remember the feeling of being starved; of attention, kindness, love. I am now with a new partner who is the opposite and I can't begin to tell you how happy I am; and it's been literally years and years of happiness. I would not have thought that people like him existed and was drawn to narc-like men before him. So no real advice bar treat yourself well and take care of yourself. Good luck

My latest message was in response to you @microbius although I forgot to tag you in it. It is probably applicable to a few other commenters too.
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zEleanorRigby · 20/11/2021 20:50

@IknowwhatIneed

Utter nonsense, how long should someone live without sex in a partner relationship? It’s been 15 years for me and I’m finally calling it a day. I couldn’t have been more supportive and more serious about the relationship but lack of intimacy absolutely erodes your self esteem and confidence. Or I’d this another “preserve the marriage at all costs”, “women don’t deserve sex” bullshit posts?
@IknowwhatIneed

Woah there! Who said anything about me or my partner going without sex???!?!!? All I was concerned about was my partner feeling unloved and unattractive, and believing that my recent ED must be a sign that I'm not attracted to her. I couldn't be more in love and attracted to her, that's the point!

You know there's more than one way to skin a cat! I'm more sexually minded than she is, and I get no greater pleasure than seeing her satisfied. I won't let her leave the house without an orgasm. It's me who doesn't climax some of the time, and thinking and stressing about the situation ironically is what seems to have caused it. When I am better rested and less stressed, he comes back to life for a while, as well as morning wood. I am prepared to work on the ED as best I can, and I will go down without a fight! I'll also look for other ways to demonstrate my attraction.

I'm sorry for what you've had to put up with what sounds like a classic example of a sexless marriage, and hope you find what you are looking for. P.S. If I was married to the woman I loved, but for extreme medical reasons completely unable to perform any sex act on my wife, I would be open to the idea of inviting a third person into our lives and establishing a new dynamic that is inclusive of all three and enables me to contribute to and be present in the experience.

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zEleanorRigby · 20/11/2021 21:03

@NoBetterthanSheShouldBe

Totally agree with litterbird. I would not choose to date someone with ED and it would ‘friendzone’ any uncommitted relationship I was in. I don’t find any other bedroom activities completely satisfying.

In your pre-ED life, how would you have felt about being in a relationship with a woman who couldn’t engage in penetrative sex?

@NoBetterthanSheShouldBe

It would depend on the woman in question and the strength of our relationship. I understand your position on it, but I would make a bet that if we'd grown up in a culture where monogamy was not the default relationship mode, then you might not hold onto that view quite so tightly. While I've lived up until now monogamously, I know that it's not the natural biological model to adhere to, no more than any other model. If we can rid ourselves of jealousy and the concept of the 'One True Love', then anything is possible.

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NoBetterthanSheShouldBe · 20/11/2021 21:28

@zEleanorRigby, I’ve spent several years in non-monogamous relationships and a few in supposedly monogamous relationships where I turned a blind eye to my partner’s extra curricular activities - out of sight is out of mind for me.

Still no. Quite capable of having platonic friendships.

zEleanorRigby · 21/11/2021 00:56

[quote NoBetterthanSheShouldBe]@zEleanorRigby, I’ve spent several years in non-monogamous relationships and a few in supposedly monogamous relationships where I turned a blind eye to my partner’s extra curricular activities - out of sight is out of mind for me.

Still no. Quite capable of having platonic friendships.[/quote]
@NoBetterthanSheShouldBe But would you really be ok demoting someone, who was perhaps the love of your life until they developed a health problem affecting their ability to have sex, to a mere friend?

It seems like it would be a hard thing to do and both people would suffer extreme guilt or loss.Whereas looking to maintain the relationship by altering the monogamous framework a little could enable the couple to stay together and get their needs met by engaging with an additional partner.

I'm playing devil's advocate a bit here. I'd be drawn to finding a solution rather than ending the relationship, but until I'm in that position I'll never know what I'd do. I would would decide based on what felt right for me though and not because of any society expectations.

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RantyAunty · 21/11/2021 01:52

You didn't mentioned going to a medical doctor.

Have you been to a medical doctor?

Pinkbucket · 21/11/2021 04:17

Do you use porn ? Is Ed a problem with porn and if so does she know you use it ?

zEleanorRigby · 22/11/2021 21:29

@seventyminutes

In addition to that I can ask you a personal question if you would not mind answering?

What do you need from her to support you?

@seventyminutes I don't think I replied to your messages, but thank you for the bits of advice you offered. I was totally panicking at the time and it helped to receive your advice and viewpoint, and to be honest you confirmed a lot of things that my rational calm self would otherwise have thought. The complimenting looks thing is difficult I must say as in all the years I've known her she's always dismissed those compliments and told me I must be wearing beer goggles. There's a lot about her that I admire anyway (obviously), but I've found that when I compliment her for personal & professional achievements, or as a mother, she always appreciates it. So I've focused more on those kind of things recently.

I totally realise that it's not my place to try and fix her, and I would never normally take that stance. Discovering attachment styles was a big game changer for me, and it was so very obvious that we were both displaying characteristics of the anxious and avoidant attachments. I'm a natural skeptic but this all made complete sense and seemed to describe perfectly the long relationship we'd had. I am self aware and was able to take the info on board, however dismissive avoidant people hardly ever know about their attachment style, and they typically don't ever want to know about or discuss their emotions and feelings with anyone else, and instead have a habit of self sabotaging their relationships to prove their own theory that every partner will abandon them. They inflict a lot of emotional pain onto themselves as well when they don't deserve it. So for me it's excruciating to be in a position where I've finally found the reason for so much of what's happened over an almost lifelong relationship and literally have the keys to the antidote, but I am unable to share it. I have faith in her decision making, but she has ended things with me quite a few times over the years for various reasons to do with us leading different lives etc etc. I worry this time about her making a far more definitive decision that I doubt I'll recover from.

To answer your question, all I ever wanted was to be able to support her. I want to be able to talk about emotional things with her and for us both to become more secure for it.

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Pinkbucket · 23/11/2021 02:07

I notice you didn’t answer either the question about having sought medical help or porn use , both of which are important questions. At least from many women’s perspectives . Any reason for that .

me4real · 23/11/2021 02:08

“Not prepared to put up with it”? That just means the person isn’t that serious about the relationship.

@MissyB1 Erm, no! No matter how much I adore someone, eventually I'm going to want decent sex. And for me personally, that means penetrative sex.

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