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Dealing with aftermath of DC witnessing P's loss of temper.

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TheWayHome · 10/10/2021 05:22

If anyone's awake, I need some advice, perspective and hopefully some future encouragement.

Context: partner of 15 years has a history of periodic anxiety, depression and low moods which are usually fairly well managed with medication, plenty of 'me time' and general pandering. We have 2 DC, 8 and 11. We have recently agreed to separate but haven't been in in a hurry as things haven't been totally dire, but in recognition that it is hard work living together, mainly on account of his MH.

P lost his temper last night, escalated really rapidly over a small misunderstanding, and ended up shouting "Fuck you!" and slamming a door really forcefully into the room where youngest DC and I were sitting eating. DC have never seen anything like this; and were terrified. I'm not at all argumentative or shouty, and P is more likely to be moody and isolate if upset by something, which is still an uncomfortable feature of family life, but much less explosive.

P ended up erratically running around trying to apologise to DC, blaming me, attempting to make a phone call which I knew he would deeply regret, and when I unplugged the phone (it really was for the best before anyone suggests it might have been controlling), making veiled threats, all of which the children heard. He then went upstairs to their room and launched into an emotional 'explanation' of why he'd lost it and how we'd be going our separate ways as there was 'no room' for him in our family. He then retreated to his room for the night. I put DC to bed, acknowledging their feelings, but didn't add to the mess by further explaining. I didn't want to confront P as he seemed quite uncharacteristically unhinged, and I didn't want him to go off on one again, so I have stayed awake / dozed through the night trying to process wtf happened.

In a couple of hours the DC will wake up and wonder what on earth happened and how to be in this awful situation. I am furious with P for his outburst and so uncaringly dumping the separation bomb on our DC, which, as he also dropped in there, will entail selling the house they've lived in all their lives. They're in shock. I'm so angry on their behalf, but in the cold light of morning, I don't want to say or do something that will endanger their future relationship with their dad down the road; they're obviously upset now, but are likely to feel like they still want a relationship with him once things calm down. I'm so angry, I feel he's broken them. I want them to know their feelings are valid without overlaying my own anger and upset on top of theirs. How do I support them with navigating such big feelings of betrayal and loss (and likely fear) now?

I now want to proceed much more quickly with our plans to separate, like today or this week, but want to avoid unsettling the DC further as I've no actual plan yet, and nowhere to go immediately. There is no way P will be going anywhere until he absolutely has to. So how do we stay put and carry on functioning while fast-tracking separation, which, owing to organising house sale and limited finances is likely to drag on for months?

And as for P, perhaps I should be concerned about this turn in his mood and try to get him to seek some help, but all I see is the look on my youngest DC's face when he shouted at me and slammed the door at us, and I feel I'm past caring.

And please don't anyone suggest it was a storm in a tea cup or that it'll blow over; it really doesn't feel like that.

Sorry for the rant, I am trying to be pragmatic and think long term while also feeling incredibly angry.

OP posts:
timtamtamsin · 10/10/2021 10:02

I agree with @Clymene - I’ve lived it too.

And it is unlikely to be a one-off.

Clymene · 10/10/2021 10:11

@TheWayHome - right, so he's not contrite at all. He wants to make his children suffer.

What a fucking shithead.

That has nothing to do with mental health. That's just being an abusive arsehole.

HighDudgeonAtBerks · 10/10/2021 10:17

The fact that he would oppose you buying him out even if you could afford it is disgusting. Does he really not care that this is the children’s home? It really is all about him, isn’t it?

I know some people come to an arrangement whereby you keep the house together and he moves out, and his paying his half of the mortgage is in lieu of child maintenance. But it doesn’t sound like that would work with him.

His pride is not your problem. His being too ashamed to ask if he can stay at a friend’s house is not your problem. He needs to realise that this is happening sooner than expected due to his behaviour and that you both need space. The children must come first and he has demonstrated that he cannot put them first or be civil whilst things are sorted.

I hope he is sorry today and shows that by agreeing to move out.

timeisnotaline · 10/10/2021 10:22

What do you mean by assets? It’s just the house isn’t it? If you’ve paid 50/50 for that then fair enough split it 50/50. But don’t go handing out half of anything else if it makes your life harder just to avoid his mood. You will be primary carer and need to be decently set up. He’s not interested in making it easy- doesn’t want the dc staying in their home, stop thinking about what works for him.

Clymene · 10/10/2021 10:26

I'd talk to a solicitor about getting an occupation order.

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 10/10/2021 11:06

@Clymene

I'd talk to a solicitor about getting an occupation order.
You need strong evidence of domestic abuse for an occupation order.
billy1966 · 10/10/2021 11:09

OP,

I think what happened last night was dreadful and unforgivable.

I think unfortunately you have been unwittingly enabling his behaviour for a long time.

He is highly abusive and without a doubt damaging your children.

Do NOT concern yourself further with protecting your childrens relationship with him.

You have spent too much time on that already.

He is not a good man.

He is consumed with himself and his uncaring of the impact all his "truths" last night will have on his children.

He needs to leave.

Ring your social worker friend.
Ring the 101 for advice.
Woman's Aid too.

He needs to leave.
He has the money to be elsewhere.

The fact that DC1 has asked to speak to someone in school is telling.

He knows and has seen too much already.

Kindly meant but stop putting his needs ahead of your children.

Get him out of the home now, by any means.

I'm so sorry, it sounds just awful.
But you have to be strong and get him out.

Flowers
Clymene · 10/10/2021 11:24

How traumatised to children need to be before a court considers imposing one @CloseYourEyesAndSee?

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 10/10/2021 11:32

@Clymene

How traumatised to children need to be before a court considers imposing one *@CloseYourEyesAndSee*?
You need strong evidence of domestic abuse for an occupation order. Does the OP have strong evidence?
Clymene · 10/10/2021 11:42

I don't know @CloseYourEyesAndSee. I'm going to leave this confer with you here as I'm sure it's not terribly helpful to the OP.

Perhaps we can agree it would be a good idea for her to seek legal advice.

Orla1970 · 10/10/2021 11:55

Hi OP. I think you need to reread what you have told us. You want to protect the future relationship between P and the children. However he put the blame of the separation firmly on you so he doesn’t care about the impact on his children or their relationship with you. There’s no room for him in this family. You’re seeking perfection etc etc. You’ve said that he thinks he will cope better with less parental responsibilities and living alone. He wants to protect the children. Does he really? Forcing your hand to move house. Not coming to an affordable agreement for you to buy him out. Telling you he will keep all of the money his mother gave both of you. Where is this money? Joint account? I’d take half of it immediately.

He should be moving out if he has enough money to rent somewhere that’s what he should do. I think this incident should show you this is not going to be amicable. Think of your own mental health. How can you walk on eggshells keeping the peace while you try and sell the house. That could take months.

Tell him to leave. Take the kids out for the day. He has done enough damage. He can check into a hotel. Get a bit of space to think. I think having a bit of distance from him and his outbursts would help you and the kids Flowers

Theunamedcat · 10/10/2021 12:01

@PurpleOkapi

when I unplugged the phone (it really was for the best before anyone suggests it might have been controlling)

Something can be for the best, and still be controlling. My husband has every right to try to talk me out of doing something that he (perhaps correctly) thinks is stupid and that I'll regret later. He has absolutely zero right to try to physically prevent me from doing something because he thinks it's stupid and that I'll regret it later. If he ever behaved like that, I'd do a whole lot more than make "veiled threats." Even if he was right about the thing being stupid and me regretting it later, that doesn't mean he has the right to make those decisions for me and then physically force me to comply.

I read it as he was wrestling the phone from her and she unplugged it
CloseYourEyesAndSee · 10/10/2021 12:05

Legal advice regarding division of assets would be a really good idea.

Blendabrethin · 10/10/2021 12:07

I have to go against the grain here. I don't think that someone losing their temper, shouting fuck you and slamming a door is that bad. Are there really people on here who never swear or lose their temper in front of their kids? I certainly wouldn't expect that anyone could be mentally damaged by such a thing. Families argue ffs.

I would see this as a sign post, that some thing is not right or working in your relationship right now. As has been pointed out, your partner probably needs to start taking more responsibility for his mental health, maybe up his medicatiom, maybe you need relationship counselling or something - it sounds like there are some issues and resentment in both sides - your partner seems a bit self absorbed and immature, you seem to be tiptoing around him due to his memtal health probems etc.

ThanksIGotItInMorrisons · 10/10/2021 12:12

You can’t ignore the fact your kids have witnessed this and paper over it. Explain it to them in language they understand.
‘ daddies feelings are not well. Like when your tummy’s not well and it’s sore and doesn’t do what it’s supposed to. Daddies feelings are unwell and make him sad and angry when you should probably be happy, and can make him happy when you should probably be sad. We will get medicine for daddy to try to make his feelings better. ‘ address it NOW.

EarringsandLipstick · 10/10/2021 12:18

Oh they will. I've lived with it.

So have I Clymene as my post made clear.

One event is not likely to have a long-term impact, unless part of a wider pattern or inappropriately dealt with. Which was my point.

EarringsandLipstick · 10/10/2021 12:18

@timtamtamsin

I agree with *@Clymene* - I’ve lived it too.

And it is unlikely to be a one-off.

I didn't say it would be a one off! I said she should ask him to move out. Now. Then it will be a one-off.
CloseYourEyesAndSee · 10/10/2021 12:39

@Blendabrethin

I have to go against the grain here. I don't think that someone losing their temper, shouting fuck you and slamming a door is that bad. Are there really people on here who never swear or lose their temper in front of their kids? I certainly wouldn't expect that anyone could be mentally damaged by such a thing. Families argue ffs.

I would see this as a sign post, that some thing is not right or working in your relationship right now. As has been pointed out, your partner probably needs to start taking more responsibility for his mental health, maybe up his medicatiom, maybe you need relationship counselling or something - it sounds like there are some issues and resentment in both sides - your partner seems a bit self absorbed and immature, you seem to be tiptoing around him due to his memtal health probems etc.

Did you miss that they are separating?
MrsBobDylan · 10/10/2021 12:44

Two things: firstly, it is likely he uses 'mental health' as a form of control. It's worked very nicely up till now hasn't it, lots of pandering and me time.

Secondly, it is well documented that abusive partner up their game once they know the relationship has broken down. I think his 'escalation' isn't so much deteriorating mental health but upping the amount of abuse to prevent you from leaving.

Call the Police on his and get him thrown out op. I don't think he's safe.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 10/10/2021 13:07

He is frightening both you and the DC.
The DC comes first. Lots of good advice on here about getting legal advice.
You need some RL support too.
But I agree, I'd want him out of the house even if its only temporary while he cools down.
It sounds like he has a good relationship with his Mum. Can he stay with her for a bit? Can you talk to her and let her know how worried you are and what his behaviour is like?

Clymene · 10/10/2021 13:40

Did people that are saying this is a 'one off' actually read the OP's post properly?

moods which are usually fairly well managed with medication, plenty of 'me time' and general pandering.

P is more likely to be moody and isolate if upset by something, which is still an uncomfortable feature of family life, but much less explosive.

he told them there was no place for him "because mummy is so stiflingly perfect, and I have to be the baddie".

Clymene · 10/10/2021 13:41

Pressed post too soon. This is a pattern of behaviour. The shouting and being unhinged is new but the family has been tiptoeing around this man for years.

Clymene · 10/10/2021 13:46

Some more.

There has been a low level enabling of his need for 'space' and the rest of it for quite some time. And the DC do actually say things like "Have you seen daddy, DC1?" "Soz, DC2, he's taking some time out upstairs."

We've said things like "Daddy gets tired / overwhelmed easily," or "Daddy finds big gatherings / travel / technology and mummy stressful," etc.

This is a pattern. The children have learned that daddy gets upset so they will have been avoiding upsetting daddy and worrying about daddy getting upset for years.

Do not make the mistake of thinking that if they haven't been frightened, they haven't been worried or affected. Of course they have.

ChargingBuck · 10/10/2021 15:36

He has stated that he'd find the buying out scenario difficult and would oppose it

So selfish. It makes no practical or financial odds to him, so long as he gets his 50% however.

But "if I can't live in the family home, neither can my DC." Ugh.

dapsnotplimsolls · 10/10/2021 15:58

Contact a solicitor tomorrow and ask Women's Aid for advice. Is the gift from his Mum enough for him to pay a deposit and rent for a while?

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