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Relationships are hard when you have BPD.

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BearaSarah · 09/10/2021 10:17

Please bear with me, this might be long....

I am a 46 year old woman who was diagnosed with BPD in late 2019 after what can only be described as a rather spectacular breakdown (now known as an BPD episode) while my ex partner was on holiday, which lead me to the mental hospital, having a complete and thorough evaluation and being diagnosed. My spectacular episode included lots of irrational thoughts, perceived situations, accusations, fear of rejection/being cheated on and a few assumptions thrown in for good measure. Needless to say, it wasn't my finest moment to date... At that point we'd been together just over 2 years and it hadn't been free of triggers (which i will get onto later)..... However i am utterly grateful it happened as my whole life to that point finally FINALLY made sense.

So what is BPD/EUPD? (Borderline personality disorder/emotionally unstable personality disorder)... IT'S HELL - real description.. Borderline personality disorder is a mental health disorder that impacts the way you think and feel about yourself and others, causing problems functioning in everyday life. It includes self-image issues, difficulty managing emotions and behavior, and a pattern of unstable relationships. With borderline personality disorder, you have an intense fear of abandonment or instability, and you may have difficulty tolerating being alone. Yet inappropriate anger, impulsiveness and frequent mood swings may push others away, even though you want to have loving and lasting relationships. A sufferer has literally no ability to regulate emotions, what the brain says, they believe 100%. Its only black or white thinking. So to say to someone with BPD you know what you're doing when you're having an episode so don't do it, its NOT helpful, simply because we CANNOT control our emotions/thoughts/feelings. What i can say, is after an episode, extreme quilt sets in, as does self harming and suicidal thoughts.

BPD is usually triggered in childhood... and my childhood wasn't great...At 4 my mum and dad divorced, i was raised by a man who didn't think twice about beating me, throwing things at me (cups/plates/remote control) and did so from 4 until i was 16 and i still recall the first time like it was yesterday. It wasn't a happy house, lots of arguing, shouting... scary. Then at the age of 11 i was at home alone with my granny and i found her dead. My gran was everything to me. I was traumatised for many many years. While i was dealing with that, at 12-until i left school i was severely bullied, beaten up almost daily, ciggies put out on me, spat at (happened on the bus where i couldn't escape), have my bag stolen, called fat, ugly, tree trunks.... For 4 years i would sit in the toilets every breaktime to avoid the bullies. I literally had no friends during that time. No one dared talk to me in case the same happened to them. Age of 13 i developed an eating disorder and a desire to self harm (burn/cut), followed by being diagnosed with depression at 16. I was given prozac. Didn't help. I saw psychotherapists/psychiatrists/psychologists for almost 5 years.. Then i started noticing my interactions with others became weird. I never felt i fitted in. I never felt liked. I never felt people wanted me around, i would unintentionally push them away before they stopped being my friend. Plus....My friends were pretty, i was not. For the longest time i have been ridiculed for the way i look. I just felt wrong which made me self harm even more. Just before my 17th birthday i was on holiday and was raped. I was a virgin. This was pretty horrendous too. So that more or less sums up my childhood, wasn't the best..

Now my relationships...well, they've been 'fun'....First boyfriend, cheated (REJECTION, not good enough, worthless, ugly, self harm, suicidal), second left me to go to Australia (REJECTION, not good enough, worthless, ugly, self harm, suicidal), then i got married for the first time, i was always aware that there was a high possibility of him leaving although he never gave me any indication of that, that marriage ended after 4 years, during it i developed severe panic disorder, agoraphobia, OCD, anxiety and health anxiety. My second marriage was HELL. He resented me for having these conditions so he would get really angry and beat me and said the most repulsive things to me. This time my (undiagnosed) BPD wanted to cling onto this horrendous marriage because it was better than being rejected. I cried for most of it, self harming almost every week..... Eventually we split up after 8 years (que REJECTION, not good enough, worthless, ugly, self harm, suicidal). My boyfriend after that had an alcohol addiction, would drink 4 bottles of wine a night while pouring vodka out of a Evian bottle in the wine...(only found out he was doing it when i caught him). When he was drunk he would get really abusive, shout and ghost me. Now, to a BPD sufferer, ghosting, ignoring is like a knife to the heart.... Its one of the biggest triggers... It causes basically an emotional meltdown which isn't pretty. Again, the fear of rejection made me hold on for dear life. Then came a man who said all the right things, knew of my mental conditions and accepted me anyway, however this time, i was a little bit more nuts, i was scared of losing this one, but he cheated and it broke me. I got so mentally sick i had to move back in with my mother for 4 years and become her shadow. I couldn't be alone, the panic attacks were too much. I was single for a while until i met my last partner. I really truly thought he could be the one, but no, my mental brain decided it had other thoughts and would be hyper aware and waiting to be rejected, cheated on because i was ugly and worthless and every other man had treated me like shit, so he wouldn't be any different, but this time instead of clinging for dear life i would perceive situations and it would cause rows and he would dump me. This happened SOOOO many times. But you can imagine what the relentless dumping/rejection would do to someone with BPD, yes, it would make them worse. A vicious cycle of me thinking there was an issue, a feeling, a change in tone on text, an inconsistency with what i was being told, which lead to a trigger, which lead to a row and being dumped...... and the cycle would continue. I'm pretty sure he tried but it would always end abruptly...At one point i lost my sex drive completely, i am perimenopausual and it happens to some women. He didn't like this and understandably so, so i told him to be with someone else (BPD episode pushing away before he left situation). Anyway i didn't think he would do it, but he did sext someone else, so once again the rejection trigger, worthless, not good enough kicked in.... It was hell.. For the last year of our relationship it was pretty chilled, we didn't row, i wasn't dumped, we got engaged, it was good, or so i thought. I felt he wasn't happy and i read he wanted a 'real' relationship which was heartbreaking, he said many times he couldn't cope with me which i guess is why i was dumped so often.....The worthlessness/not good enough kicked in ONCE again after reading it...Not long after that i was tired of feeling guilty for his sadness....and we split up.

This brings me to the present day....

Single mum to a almost 23 year old who recently (May this year) tried to take his own life. That's left me with PTSD. Just after it happened i was on edge all the time .... Not as bad now, but still when i hear a siren and he's not home i will text or call him to make sure he's okay. it was only a matter of weeks after that my relationship ended....Since then i've been incredibly suicidal, self harming - i had an episode recently and i'm back under the care of the mental health team and my meds were increased. I find everyday life really challenging...Little things trigger me... and the people who the episode involves don't understand and always make it as if i do it on purpose when they don't realise i CANNOT REGULATE MY EMOTIONS.....and its never personal.. and if i could stop it, i would! 'Cause i could do without the guilt and self harming that follows an episode...

All i've ever wanted is for someone to love, support, stand by me and work with me...i know relationships are possible because i watch couples on YouTube who manage, but that's probably because the undiagnosed partner is willing to understand and learn about triggers, the illness and making them feel wanted.... I get its hard work, but its almost like saying i am so damaged i don't deserve to be loved and that in itself is a trigger......Makes me feel so worthless.... All my adult life due to my other mental health issues i've never had any direction, i have been lost, my life is so limited and it really seems a lot to go through daily for nothing.

Sorry to ramble but occasionally i need to get it off my chest...
Thank you if you got this far...

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godwingolly · 09/10/2021 14:58

Just to say it’s difficult but there are some good specialist therapies being tried now - DBT and therapies dealing with c-ptsd. I hope you have a referral and support. For too long it was seen as ‘untreatable’ and that’s now changing.

I hope you have support in place.

sospspsp · 10/10/2021 13:24

I'm a similar age to you.
No mental health issues.
No issues at all really.
No current relationship.
I would love to find a wonderful man to spend some time with, even the rest of my life with.
It's not necessarily something that I will have.
But I get up everyday and try and enjoy life, yes if I'm honest if feels like something is missing, but I have lots of other great things in my life too which I appreciate.

The best thing you can do is get therapy for your trauma and try and live a happy life regardless as to whether you stay single or not. Otherwise I think you are an accident waiting to happen (I don't mean to be harsh, but I find relationships mess me up emotionally and I'm in a good place).

me4real · 10/10/2021 13:34

I had BPD traits and therapy does help. DBT didn't do anything for me, but I had EMDR for the underlying trau and it made a real difference xxx

balloonsintrees · 10/10/2021 13:59

I have BPD and bipolar, it is possible to put some regulation in but you have to work bloody hard to do it.
Combination of group therapy, supportive husband and more importantly friend colleagues who understand and actually try to help, means I have been married for 20 years and only held two teaching jobs in 18 years. Have been at current school for 8 years and still massively struggle - have been entering into a massive spiral over the past couple of weeks, but haven't hidden, just tried to process it.
Came to a head one morning this week when I realised I was worrying about being rejected for not being good enough because I hadn't ironed my face mask. I have to have words with myself and remember that this is the illness and I am not going to let it beat me.
I am exhausted all the time fighting these thoughts and the constant suicidal ideation, but I am going to keep going.

InABetterPlaceNow · 10/10/2021 14:45

Hey hun.

It's so hard. I'm going through a tricky time myself so don't have a lot to give, but couldn't read and run.

I was diagnosed with BPD age 18. I think C-PSTD (these days, wasn't a thing at the time) also fits. Didn't stick. Now my eldest has a diagnosis of EUPD (emerging).

As I'm sure you know, medication can't really fix it. It leaves it up to us to really dig down and seek out things to help for both ourselves and our loved ones. It's crap. I'd far rather be a normal person and not have to do all the bloody hard work it takes.

You seem to be really self aware, which is brilliant - though I know it makes things harder. Much better if you're "just crazy" and people fix it, right? However some of us don't get that luxury and just have to do what we can.

You've had a shit life. It's left scars. Other people don't have that, so deal with things differently. You deal with things the way you do as you're protecting yourself.

Educating yourself on abuse can stop you falling in with that kind of relationship. You're more likely to get into one because of your experiences, and it won't help.

I'm single, have been for .. 6 years now? Might stay that way.

You're this way because life made it so. It's not your fault, but you sound like you have the self awareness to cope better. DBT sounds excellent - I've not done it myself but what I've read of it sounds like a things I've done myself over the years and has helped. My eldest is waiting for formal treatment and I'll be working with her on it.

Just random thoughts but if you want to talk to me, I'll try to be here (no promises, things are touch and boundaries etc! Wink)

Pinkbonbon · 10/10/2021 15:02

I'm gonna be honest with you op as harsh as this will sound I think bpd just like all the other cluster b disorders means you should stay as far away from relationships as possible.

I don't want to tarr you with the same brush as I would a sociopath or a narcissist (as I know this disorder brings you pain too, not the people you date). But if anything, that makes it a worse idea to get into relationships.

Annnnd, unfortunately bpd sufferers are often more prone to attracting narcissists and similar.

It seems sad to say that someone should stay single. But seriously...stay single. Those couples on YouTube that seem to be doing so well, you don't know what its like behind the scenes. And I suspect healthy relationships when one partner as bpd are the exception, not the rule.

Not saying it can't happen but...if i were you I would focus on other things. Because otherwise you risk jeopardising the progress you have made and potentially even bringing emotional harm to others (as we are all capable of when we are in an emotionally unhealthy place).

BearaSarah · 10/10/2021 16:06

@Pinkbonbon

As much as I agree with you, but it's something that I've always wanted (a loving/caring/supportive) relationship. With the hellish environment I grew up in and the following relationships I've had, you'd think that would be enough to put me off ... nope ... It's human nature to want to be loved and cared for and I am a loving, caring, loyal partner - some members of society steer away from that, and that's obviously entirely their personal choice - but I don't feel I should be 'punished' 'cause all that's saying to me is that I'm not good enough or worthy of love because I have issues...... Plus the lady above has been married 20 plus years with BPD so it can work with the right understanding ...

I had a massive episode last night - through the week I've been massively triggered and I 'managed' to show how keep it at bay until I was alone and it came flooding out - it didn't end well....

I had to call my team, I had an emergency assessment (they actually came out to me) and I've got another meeting this week to discuss where we go from here..... because I'm not doing well....

Thank you for your replies ..
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE you taking the time .... xxx

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InABetterPlaceNow · 10/10/2021 16:18

[quote BearaSarah]@Pinkbonbon

As much as I agree with you, but it's something that I've always wanted (a loving/caring/supportive) relationship. With the hellish environment I grew up in and the following relationships I've had, you'd think that would be enough to put me off ... nope ... It's human nature to want to be loved and cared for and I am a loving, caring, loyal partner - some members of society steer away from that, and that's obviously entirely their personal choice - but I don't feel I should be 'punished' 'cause all that's saying to me is that I'm not good enough or worthy of love because I have issues...... Plus the lady above has been married 20 plus years with BPD so it can work with the right understanding ...

I had a massive episode last night - through the week I've been massively triggered and I 'managed' to show how keep it at bay until I was alone and it came flooding out - it didn't end well....

I had to call my team, I had an emergency assessment (they actually came out to me) and I've got another meeting this week to discuss where we go from here..... because I'm not doing well....

Thank you for your replies ..
I REALLY DO APPRECIATE you taking the time .... xxx[/quote]
100% agree with you. My research has shown that 2 to 3 years in a stable, healthy relationship can "cure" BPD as it's an attachment disorder.

I think you still need to be mindful that you're more likely to attract partners with issues / co dependency. What you need is a stable, healthy partner (as do I!). The unfortunate truth is that many of those will be coupled up by now. Not all, and it's still possible! But also we're both more than capable of living full lives without it too. Some friendships I've built have also shown me that stable, healthy love and have done so much to help me heal myself.

Jus go in with eyes open I'd say, and do as much work as you can to have the tools you need to recognise what's happening - if that's red flags you're ignoring, or when you're pushing away (a stable person will respect boundaries and leave, whereas you will see it as abandoning- an unstable person will push those boundaries and stay close if that makes sense? Until you recognise that, single is better IMO though I know it's hard) x

BearaSarah · 10/10/2021 16:27

@InABetterPlaceNow

Thank you!

I know stability would help and I've never experienced that. I've always been left to feel worthless and unloveable x

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Muttly · 10/10/2021 16:35

Hi BearaSarah I have CPTSD and there is a lot of overlap with what you describe in EUPD/BPD and I can definitely say for a time there I could easily have found someone to justifiably give me a diagnosis of either one but it was neither it was CPTSD. I totally get where you are coming from with looking for a relationship. I am married and it has definitely been a positive for me.

Have you read Pete Walkers books on CPTSD and the Body Keeps the Score? Both of them have really helped me deal with some of the tougher aspects of the symptoms of CPTSD and would definitely help with BPD too.

Pinkbonbon · 10/10/2021 16:35

But op, how much time have you actually spent single? (Appologies if you said already).

If you put such a heavy burden of 'give me self worth' on another human being...it's a huge risk. It leaves you so vulnerable to someone elses whims.

Not to sound cliche but, you really need to learn to love yourself before finding a partner.

That's an important step in finding a partner as it stops you from settling for the wrong sort.

I'm not saying that a good partner for you can't increase your self esteem. But I am saying that thats not the reason to look for one. That you need to get yourself to a healthy place first. Otherwise, they'll just be be flimsy plaster over a gaping wound.

InABetterPlaceNow · 10/10/2021 16:37

[quote BearaSarah]@InABetterPlaceNow

Thank you!

I know stability would help and I've never experienced that. I've always been left to feel worthless and unloveable x [/quote]
Absolutely - I hope we both get that one day! I've never had it either.

I can tell you that I know for sure, I am by own best support. I would LOVE a partner to be there to take care of me when I feel crap etc. I know I have a lot of love to give in return! But as no one else has stepped up so far, I've had to recognise how well I've done for myself. As have you.

It's hard when things are rough. My grandma just passed, who was the most stable person in my life. I want to give up. But I won't. I want to think nothing will ever be OK again, but I know that's just my distorted thinking. My kids need me, and while I feel I'm being unforgivably crap right now - that's distortion and black abs white thinking. I'm doing the best I can, my abandonment issues are kicking in, I can feel sorry for myself (and oh boy do I!) but I can take one day at a time and I will find my feet.

And when (if) I find a partner, I'll have learnt enough of my triggers to be able to talk to them about it, own them, understand when I'm being unreasonable... I just think that's key. It's a mind shift from looking for another to "fix" things, to knowing you have your own back (you absolutely do! Promise!) and having that other person where you can give and take but recognise if you need more support than they can give (outside agencies can help!) or if they are acting as the "white knight" for nefarious purposes (which is where I was stuck back in the day) x

BearaSarah · 10/10/2021 16:41

@Pinkbonbon

1st to 2nd relationship a year single
2nd to 3rd relationship 3 years single
3rd to 4th relationship a year single
4th to 5th relationship 2 months single
5th to 6th relationship 3 years single
6th to 7th relationship 5 years single

And I've been single now for 4 months ...

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SparklingLime · 10/10/2021 16:42

I’m sorry for all the trauma you’ve endured, OP. I was struck by how in your summary of your life you didn’t mention your son until his suicide attempt. How has all this impacted him? Would that not be your stable relationship in life?

InABetterPlaceNow · 10/10/2021 16:43

Just to add, my eldest 17, has had multiple attempts in her life. I know how that feels. I desperately wanted someone to share that burden with. Absolutely PTSD on top of everything else.

More reason to dig deep and know your are absolutely your own best friend and can do this. Take all outside support you can ofc. I have some, but doesn't feel enough.

I don't know. I'm being a little useless. Just wanted to sit with you and say I know deep down in my soul we can both get through it and it will be OK in the end.

BearaSarah · 10/10/2021 16:50

@SparklingLime

Good question.

My sons dad was a two night thing and disappeared ... that's why I didn't include him in the relationship part.

My son is a difficult child to talk about. He was diagnosed with Aspergers after his suicide attempt so he really doesn't say much about anything .. I know during my breakdown of Dec 2011- Feb 2012 (I didn't mention that) he really struggled .. l drank a lot during that time (it wasn't a BPD situation it was a health anxiety thing and I was CONVINCED I had motor neuron disease) anyway me drinking wasn't good, although I someone managed to still do all the things a parent should do ....With my BPD he really doesn't take any notice .. he just obviously thinks that's me and how I am ...I can be crying and he'll walk in ask if I'm okay and that's it ... I think he's so use to it now ...

When I have severe episodes like I had last night, he doesn't know, I don't tell him ....

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InABetterPlaceNow · 10/10/2021 16:52

@SparklingLime

I’m sorry for all the trauma you’ve endured, OP. I was struck by how in your summary of your life you didn’t mention your son until his suicide attempt. How has all this impacted him? Would that not be your stable relationship in life?
From my own experience (I hope that's OK OP) I'd wrap a bit of cotton wool around this.

For me, my kids are why I'm here. While they are unconditionally loved and loving, it's not the same as being unconditionally loved from your parents and those who were meant to take care of you. So when reaching out for support you might not mention it, because it's complicated to deal with the (guilt?) for what your kids are going through / have gone through... I don't want to trigger so will leave it there I think.

I know I absolutely try to be the best mum I can be and put my feelings to one side to be there for them. Sometimes that leaves me feeling even more alone. I think it's why we need to try to work on ourselves to stop the cycle. It's hard bloody work though. Every day it's hard work.

BearaSarah · 10/10/2021 16:54

@InABetterPlaceNow

I am SO sorry you've experienced that awful thing too... It's so overwhelming to still think my kiddo might not be here if he wasn't spotted ... Makes me feel sick just typing it out ... It's like people will say 'oh but he's still here' - yes, yes he is - but the f'ing trauma of my beautiful boy getting to THAT place and I had NO idea - the guilt is something else .... I SHOULD have known... I SHOULD have seen the signs .... X

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InABetterPlaceNow · 10/10/2021 16:58

[quote BearaSarah]@InABetterPlaceNow

I am SO sorry you've experienced that awful thing too... It's so overwhelming to still think my kiddo might not be here if he wasn't spotted ... Makes me feel sick just typing it out ... It's like people will say 'oh but he's still here' - yes, yes he is - but the f'ing trauma of my beautiful boy getting to THAT place and I had NO idea - the guilt is something else .... I SHOULD have known... I SHOULD have seen the signs .... X[/quote]
Massive, massive hugs to you. It's such a mix. We have genetics, environmental factors, lack of social support (took the first attempt for her CAMHS assessment to get bumped up! And even then they've not been much help).

There are other parents going through similar. You're doing the best you can. Keep reaching out for support Thanks

WestwardEast · 10/10/2021 17:02

I hope your son is getting help.

Summerhillsquare · 10/10/2021 17:32

You might be interested in the work of Dr Jessica Taylor, who advocates that BPD and similar 'disorders' are a sexist labelling of women who have experienced traumatic events. So that there is not something wrong with YOU, so much as your experiences were wrong.

For example: victimfocusblog.com/2019/09/14/work-with-women-and-girls-its-time-to-reject-psychiatry/

Shanghaisprize · 10/10/2021 18:03

BearaSarah

I hear you - I'm 48 with an old BPD diagnosis that I have largely ignored as no one ever helped, MH services were shocking and made me feel worse, not better.

Relationships are incredibly hard with BPD, especially if, as I did, you tend to go for a certain type of men (abusive arseholes in my case). Relationships are by far my biggest trigger, and my eventual solution has been to avoid them completely for the last 7/8 years and focus on doing a degree and now my career.

For all that time, my BPD has been manageable, although I found it hard not to let my abandonment issues not surface when my DC's started leaving home.

I've been happy single, but now my children are older I do sometimes wonder whether I'll end up old and lonely. Anyway, I don't know what the answer is but just wanted to let you know that you're not alone and that there are people who understand what its like to live with BPD, and not judge you for it Flowers

Shanghaisprize · 10/10/2021 18:12

who advocates that BPD and similar 'disorders' are a sexist labelling of women who have experienced traumatic events

This is interesting - thank you.

I have always rejected my BPD diagnosis/ label and maintain that my issues result from repeated traumatic events in child and adulthood. There is nothing inherently 'wrong' with me as some would like me to believe, I wasn't born this way, life events beyond my control left me me coping methods that are detrimental instead of helpful. And whilst medication may help keep me stable, it will never help the root cause of my issues, weaving my way back through all the trauma, DBT and avoiding toxic people who exacerbate my issues are the only things that help long term.

BearaSarah · 10/10/2021 18:22

@WestwardEast

Thank you. Yes. He had continuous support for 6 weeks after the event. They would visit every other day and call on the days he didn't see them. He's on sertraline and he seems to be a lot better.

He lost his job due to covid, a 7 year relationship ended and now he's in full time employment again and enjoying being single.

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BearaSarah · 10/10/2021 18:23

@Summerhillsquare

Thank you, I'll take a look x

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