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Husband's online friendship braking up our marriage

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Figgyzig · 09/10/2021 09:03

Hi, so I don't know where to begin.
2 months ago my husband of 12 years made a online friend a women from a different country (they both stream games) and I noticed there talking was seeming a little more then friend. He kept talking about her all the time. He was constantly private messaging her if he wasn't doing that they where in voice chats watching films or in each others game streams chatting or playing games with each other. While this was going on he basically stopped spending anytime with me and reduced all type of communication as he was to busy taking with this women. I brought the subject up about the amount he was spending with her and how I felt pushed away and replaced and the way he was acting was brining up lots of red flags and I was uncomfortable with the constant messaging. He assured me they where just friends and he didn't realise how much they where talking. And he would calm down with the messaging. But he also told me he had never met anyone like her before that he had connected with they have so much in common and he can talk to her about anything. So as I was reassured in the first half of the convo that comment made me feel worse. Nothing changed although he said he had stopped talking as much but I noticed it even more. We had multiple talks about. He changed his sleep pattern and was sleeping when she did in her country and was awake all night talking to her. (Although he said it wasn't for this reason) he was discussing and still is discussing our relationship with her even after she new how I felt about them talking so much. I asked him if i seen there messages would I be ok with the convo and he said probably not no( there all full of and he said it's all in a friend way I love yous and hearts and him telling her how much he appreciates and thinking about each other and making each other smile and how much they love spending time together from the moment they wake till bed time and he's never gonna not talk to her because she means so much to him. And I asked him if he has told her I am not ok with it all and he didn't respond. So I sent her a message as I felt like he was telling her it was fine and telling me he wouldnt do it constantly we have 2 kids so he's not spending time with them either as his phone was constantly in his had and he was in voice calls with her while I'm at.work and then kids are awake. I just felt like 2 weeks of talking was going no where and I wanted to explaine to her been in American college ( where both in our 30s) that he has 2 kids and he can't talk to her 24/7 and that I'm not ok with the amount they talk.
I never once said they couldn't talk just that there is a time and a place and the amount is way too much. Like I'm worried he's gonna her fired as he's still constantly messaging her at work too.
And everytime we talk I feel like we have moved forward I asked him if they could cool off voice chatting and cut down on the talking while I process my feelings as I do trust him and he has explained some things to me as a lot of his comments made it seem worse then it was his words. And I want to I said I just need sometime as I can't just switch off my feelings and we had 2 days where I think they didn't talk as much and everything seemed really good we connected we talked we snuggles and watched t.c ectect. And then the next day he was back to the same thing. Then asked me if he could watch a movie with her. And I explained as I had 2 days before to give me some more time so I can process everything that's happening. And I was a little annoyed that he would ask when it was 24 hours since our last conversation about this. He seemed.to agree and didn't know why he asked and then where to last night I went to bed and when I came down they where in a voice chat and I flipped out and walke doit of the house in the middle of the night and he didn't really seem to care how much this upsets. There is a lot more info but I think I have typed enough am I just been crazy because he thinks I am. As I don't want to stop him having a friend he gets alone with but I also still want to have my husband actually want to spend time with me as we did all the things he now does with her. But I really think he doesn't care if I leave as long as he has her to talk to. As he told me last night he doesn't understand why I'm upset even after all the convos explaing why and I'm been rediculace because he has a friend and he isn't giving up her friendship for anyone. Any advice from a outside prospective kind regards

OP posts:
Figgyzig · 09/10/2021 10:41

She said.

Sorry, I've been looking this over and just had a severe panic attack and had to call my boyfriend so he could make sure I was ok cause I'm alone. Last time this happened to me I had to go to the hospital so I got really afraid. I'm not entirely sure how to respond to this as I'm still trying to calm down right now. I wanted to say that I never meant to have an impact on your relationship with Stu, he's just been a really good and reliable friend recently for me. I'll say more but again, trying to calm down. I hope you're doing ok as well, I never meant to hurt you or make you worry.

She sent this to me and to him
If you guys need space to work out what's going on between you two, I can give you both that space. I feel like I am not directly responsible for what's been going on between you two because when Stu and I talk or hang out it's not because I'm asking him to, it's me assuming that he has time. I'm not trying to get in-between you two or "steal" Stu. I don't have many friends I can sit down and talk to about things. He's been there for me a lot, someone I can talk with, and someone I can rely on to talk to when I'm not feeling ok, or just someone to hang out with when I just wanna chill with someone. I will respect your space and let you guys figure things out..
And they didn't speak for about 12 hours then started talking in forums not private messages and and now it's been a out 5 days and it's back to as it was before 24/7 even while he's at work as I can see when there both online though his discord server and I know there talking to each other as it says there both online on mobile

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TeaStory · 09/10/2021 10:43

Honestly, she sounds pretty manipulative herself.

Figgyzig · 09/10/2021 10:46

Yeah he just keep saying it's not her it's him ntohigns her fault it's him talking to her. But like it takes 2 for a convo to last 24/7 and I've already told her how I feel so it is also her :/

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GingerBeverage · 09/10/2021 10:47

The pattern of his behaviour shows that he doesn't respect or value you as a partner. Even when/if this love affair fizzles out he will continue to seek similar replacements.
He is clearly not getting what he desires from your relationship.
The only question is whether you are content to put up with being secondary to any woman he falls in love with online or in real life.

Yummypumpkin · 09/10/2021 10:48

Yes it is her too. She has shown you zero respect and she shouldn't be chatting all hours to a married father if she's going to fake a panic attack when challenged on it.

What options have you got to live elsewhere?

Tellmeee · 09/10/2021 10:49

24/7 even while he’s ‘working?’

The more you post, the more ridiculous the situation sounds. Honestly don’t doubt yourself.

He’s not going to stop so the only answer is to separate.

Figgyzig · 09/10/2021 10:50

And the thing is I haven't actually asked him to stop talking to her I just wanted him to stop with all the private messages and voice chats in the middle of the night ect I was fine with them talking on stream and gaming if it's on stream as there is people watching them chats if you get me or just talk like regular friends but 10000s of messages on every platform sometimes on multiple at the same time is obsessive and not friend like

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Figgyzig · 09/10/2021 10:51

At the moment I have no where else to live I have no other family so I'm kinda stuck here for a bit this is why the post as I don't want to make a rash disision that might make me homeless if I'm just been stupid you know?

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Yummypumpkin · 09/10/2021 10:56

You need to look into your options though...because he's told you and they've both shown, they have no intention of stopping.

And I don't think you will be able to put up with this forever.

Tellmeee · 09/10/2021 10:58

Well ask him to stop talking to her as it’s affecting your marriage. See what he does (he won’t stop) and make your decision from there.

Why can’t he leave?

Gazelda · 09/10/2021 11:01

This is crazy! He's not even living in the same time zone as you and the DC!

Honestly, he's not putting you and the DC first. Isn't that all you need to know?

SpacePotato · 09/10/2021 11:02

She isn't his 'friend' at all. He is in the honeymoon stage of a new relationship and both of them are emotionally manipulating you.

He's already started on the path to make it all YOUR fault when your relationship breaks down or you kick him out.
This is all on him. He's had his head turned and she is flattering his over inflated ego.

FoxgloveSummers · 09/10/2021 11:04

@Figgyzig

At the moment I have no where else to live I have no other family so I'm kinda stuck here for a bit this is why the post as I don't want to make a rash disision that might make me homeless if I'm just been stupid you know?
Well that’s fine, I should think he’s the one who’ll have to leave as it sounds like you’re the primary carer of your kids? You need some proper advice eg from Citizens Advice
Borgonzola · 09/10/2021 11:04

Gently, but:

there all full of and he said it's all in a friend way I love yous and hearts and him telling her how much he appreciates and thinking about each other and making each other smile and how much they love spending time together from the moment they wake till bed time and he's never gonna not talk to her because she means so much to him.

This is how he's meant to feel about you.

You have two kids. You're meant to be his partner. What he's doing is outrageous, disrespectful, and childish.

How would he react if you were doing this with another man?

Italiangreyhound · 09/10/2021 11:09

Op I am so sorry. He sounds addicted. Either he gets help to get over this or I would leave. Roughly how old are you?

KurtWilde · 09/10/2021 11:22

OP nothing about what he's doing is ok or fair to you. His emotional manipulation is making you think you're being unreasonable when you know you're not. You deserve better.

Dreamsupreme · 09/10/2021 11:29

This is awful. It’s an affair. They are besotted with each other and neither care about you or the impact. He’s not even bothering with his kids.
I’d tell him he cuts this girl off or you’re leaving. Before doing that get everything in order. I would have left a long time ago!

itsallgoingpearshaped · 09/10/2021 11:37

Get legal advice and see what you'll be entitled to when you dump him. Because you definitely don't want to stay married to a gaslighting emotionally absent man who only has time for other women in real life (work) and online. You will have a miserable life if you stay with him.

Kuachui · 09/10/2021 12:03

Emotional affair. He fancies her

Mudday · 09/10/2021 12:19

The best thing that could happen here is if this idiot actually met the woman he's projecting all his unrealistic fantasies on. She wouldn't remotely have the class a mother of two like you has because it's too damn hard for starters. It's so easy for single women with no attachments/loyalty/love/duty etc, to skip around like free adverts for a better easier life. So good flaming luck to the man/mugs that fall for it. Those charming promises of freedom inevitably change the 'object' of desire into a far worse shrew once the fool is snared with no hope of returning to a once appreciated, loving safe family. Leave him to his fate, he's basically given you permission to explore other attractive male 'friendships', so enjoy yourself, guilt free. If he's fine with it after a while and realises you're serious, then happy travels eh?!

whynotwhatknot · 09/10/2021 12:22

You dont say you love your friend online that you dont even know-he manipulating you withthe suicide threats so youd ont leave

he should be wanting to spend time with you and the dc not her

BarbedButterfly · 09/10/2021 12:33

This could have been about me and my partner, save for us both being in other relationships when we met. This was how we started, constantly chatting, gaming, watching movies, sleeping when the other slept. They aren't friends. When me and my partner talk about the early days we can't believe we didn't realise how besotted we were with each other. It was so intense and nothing else mattered but being together.

You aren't crazy at all but if they are anything like me and my partner were I doubt he will stop and you deserve a lot better than someone who he is treating like a second choice. I would start looking into your options honestly because why stay with someone who is treating you like this, even after you have told him how hurtful it is.

TheFoundations · 09/10/2021 12:39

Your only fault here is in your over-willingness to believe that you are at fault.

he's even brought up having suicidal thoughts yesterday because of him hurting me

This is nuts. If you're doing something that hurts somebody, killing yourself isn't something you consider until you've exhausted all available options. Option 1: stop doing the hurtful thing. Problem solved.

He's manipulating the crap out of you, and what you're doing wrong is letting him, because you think you might be at fault.

But the truth is, even if you were at fault, the healthy response from him would be to leave you. Even if you were at fault, manipulating you is the action of an emotionally screwed up person. You being 'at fault' doesn't make it ok for him to manipulate you, via suicide threats, or any of the other methods he's using.e

twoandeights · 09/10/2021 12:42

This would be marriage ending for me. He’s having an affair.

CandidClarisse · 09/10/2021 12:47

Agree this an emotional affair. How long until he wants to book a flight to see her or even she comes to see him.

What exactly do they find to talk about 24/7 unless it's plans for their future or sexual fantasy chat? I just don't get it. No way is it just friends, they have a relationship going on and they sound besotted with each other. I can't see how you can win this one really, you might need to consider making plans for you and the kids to move on. My fear would be that even if you gave him an ultimatum, they are so into each other that they would just find other ways to communicate, burner phones, secret accounts things like that.