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Confused thoughts about leaving husband

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yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 10:21

I have name changed for this. I have posted a bit before but my thinking has come on a lot and I need some help any help thinking about this will be gratefully received. Basically I think I need to leave my husband, but the story is so unclear in my mind I worry I might simply be going mad. I am full of uncertainty and doubt over the last decade of my life. We have two kids under 10. I am at a point where I have lost a lot of weight, am not sleeping, struggling to meet work commitments, am gravitating towards any signs of kindness from friends and finding it hard to have the emotional energy to hold a space to engage properly in my kids' lives. Although he earns a lot more than me I am pretty much a single parent he rarely spends time with the kids and sort of uses the house as a backdrop to his career. He's in and out, often bad-tempered, or sometimes with a very fake cheerfulness, which I almost feel he does to practice and get into place his work persona when he's got something social/a meeting. He has always refused to do things together. He will do things alone, his way, or not at all. One example has been refusing to join in with festivities that he didn't himself organise (though he never has time or volunteers to organise them). He will call me a control freak for going ahead and organising the kids' birthday presents and getting together a thoughtful bunch of things. It's like he will lash out if he doesn't have a hand in something.

It's been a terrible lockdown/pandemic from my perspective. We have been beset with illness and bereavement, but more than this my H has been drinking heavily, often refusing to get out of bed, several times he has had horrible outbursts at me and even left, or stonewalled me for days. He's never directly apologised and blames me for the dynamic. Don't get me wrong, I'm not perfect. But I don't think I can cause him screaming at me in the middle of the night while I'm asleep and so on. It's been terrible and I feel like I've caught my breath all the time. I've put in extra effort for the kids, all the effort I have, and I am deeply empty, almost going insane.

As I move toward trying to separate I have been thinking over the past of the relationship, trying o work out what happened. At the time I met him I thought of myself as very strong but I have noticed there is another story there. I am from a very traumatic childhood, a difficult family, with a history of eating disorders and an alcoholic parent. Looking back I wouldn't have identified as that but I was very vulnerable. I had always been extremely cautious in relationships. This was suddenly different. He was extremely persuasive and also cross when he didn't get his way, and within six months or so we were living together and married, and I was pregnant. He already had older kids that I barely knew and lots of acrimony. I look back and think how could I have got into this? If a young woman told me about that situation now I would urge her to run for the hills. I am really struggling with this and my role in it the fact that I made those decisions and it was my responsibility to choose wisely and I failed. I look back over the years and I worked so hard to make things seem normal. A lot of his behaviour frightened and shocked me and I certainly joined in with a lot of arguments, so I felt co-responsible. I felt such deep shame when early on I realised it was a mistake, and so ashamed that I didn't really make any of the decisions in a good spirit, that I kept going and was determined to paper over the cracks and 'be normal'. As was to be expected the paper has crumbled off and I am left wondering what there ever was in the first place. I feel like he created in me and enormous sense of obligation to stick with it and make things work -- off the back of a short, probably toxic whirlwind courtship. I feel so done over and also extremely guilty and ashamed, and weak, and I can't compute what has happened. We have all the photos and emails and cards to make it look like it was a happy relationship, and so I wonder if this feeling I've been supressing is all in my own mind.

I think at the beginning I really believed he loved me, though I disliked his coercive style, I was swept along. I feel so stupid and guilty now and also like I have ruined lots of people's lives, including even his, by not doing the proper checks and thought processes at that very beginning.

If you asked him he'd say we were having some problems but that he loves me. He would never look what things are really like in the face.

Does anyone understand my story or have any ways I can use to think about this?

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yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 10:31

I'm sorry this is so long.

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Footle · 21/09/2021 10:40

You have nothing to apologise for! It's an awful story - well done, you've got it out there. I've no time to reply more but people will help

yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 10:44

I was just going to add one other element that has kept me there for so long is the fact that he had been divorced before, and how awful I feel it would be for him to have done the whole thing twice and been divorced twice. I feel so ashamed by the idea of it, and of being almost roped into being a part of the story involving this acrimonious previous breakup. I've just thought I can't be linked to this mess so I need to make it better rather than add to it. I realised much too late what I'd got into. I think maybe he just wanted his life to be positive and normal and repaired and kind of used me in it, and obviously it didn't exactly work either.

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yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 10:51

Thank you @footle, I just want to know what people would think about this if they were me

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yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 11:04

I might ask for this to be deleted - I'm such mess.

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TheTrinity · 21/09/2021 11:05

Firstly I am so very sorry you are going through this and so alone. Your husband should not be treating you like this at all, that is a fact so no it is not you or all in your head. He may not be beating you up physically but emotionally I don't see how you could be any more beat up than you already are from everything you describe. Let's back up a bit. From the little I know about being vulnerable and experiencing an unhappy childhood (which is a trauma in and of itself), how could you know 'any better', how could you see and understand what this man was doing to you at the beginning? It's not your fault. Neither are you responsible for his issues that he clearly has but you did not know or understand at the start. It sounds like you did everything anyone could do but it really does sound like you have to leave this situation to take care of yourself, your mental wellbeing so that you can be the mum you need and want to be for your children. That's what's most important. Not him, he's an adult and can do what he wants. Please don't worry about what anyone else thinks. It will not get any better but it could get worse due to your husband's drinking and personality.

You believed you were happy and so hold on to that but things have changed and the reality is very different and very toxic now. It's so normal to feel ashamed and guilty but it is not your fault. Every couple has equal responsibility in a relationship. Please don't think you've ruined his life - from how you describe him, I am almost certain he's capable of doing that all by himself. But this is the time to think of yourself and your children. Please do get support for yourself, talk to your GP.

PermanentTemporary · 21/09/2021 11:09

Yellow, just a handhold. You sound as if you are struggling hugely and blaming yourself for every single bit of it.

Sorry to say this as I always do, but would you/could you have some therapy? Mainly because it isn't going to get easy or pleasant divorcing this man but I think you must do so in order to survive. So really some therapy to sort out your thoughts, know your plans and your beliefs, and also to have someone who supports you through it.

Online or phone therapy can be really good if you find the right person by the way.

yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 11:15

Thank you for these kind comments. I will seek therapy, it is on my list, and if I wasn't feeling so defeated and ineffectual I would already have done so. I am struggling day by day in the situation now. I feel like I wish I could just 'call home' in tears and ask to be collected immediately! Alas this is home and I am a grown up, and must find a better way. If this was your life would you leave immediately? What would you do?

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TheTrinity · 21/09/2021 11:17

@yellowpigeons

Thank you for these kind comments. I will seek therapy, it is on my list, and if I wasn't feeling so defeated and ineffectual I would already have done so. I am struggling day by day in the situation now. I feel like I wish I could just 'call home' in tears and ask to be collected immediately! Alas this is home and I am a grown up, and must find a better way. If this was your life would you leave immediately? What would you do?
Short answer, yes I would leave asap because it sounds like you are at rock bottom. Take yourself away from the situation as safely as you can if possible.
yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 11:18

I hope I am at rock bottom because I cannot imagine surviving any level lower.

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TheTrinity · 21/09/2021 11:20

@yellowpigeons

I hope I am at rock bottom because I cannot imagine surviving any level lower.
Then the only way is up sweetie :-)
PermanentTemporary · 21/09/2021 11:21

I wouldn't necessarily leave right now simply because you don't mention any plans - you're still too busy berating yourself for ending up here and describing his behaviour.

So. You're in a situation which just does not work, though you're surviving it anyway - you're stronger than you think. How you got here is in the past, and for sure therapy could help you see things clearer to prevent it happening again. (That doesn't mean I think you are as responsible for it as you say).

For the future, what would you like to happen? What is your legal situation and rights?

yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 11:26

My fantasy of what would happen is that he would sit down and say he wanted to separate and that he would amicably separate from me, and be responsible about the kids and kind to them. If I had a magic wand I would make us be in our own house, me and the kids, now. We are not rich but not extremely poor, we would just about be able to buy two places. My job is unstable but I should soon be able to get a better one. In fact this is holding me back. Who wants to employ a woman who looks like a ghost and has written a covering letter that expressed no faith in herself?

However, I have no faith in him being reasonable. He may pretend to be reasonable if it suits him to be so. He is always manipulative, but in unpredictable directions. I think he would understand if I said I wanted to separate, but he would perhaps run off, or return angry. Even dealing with him about minor disagreements creates debilitating levels of stress.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/09/2021 11:30

You need a safe outlet so I would suggest that you do not delete your own thread. What is written here by respondents may also help others.

Re your own self I would also advise leaving him as soon as you are able to do so. Have you as yet sought legal advice?. Have you spoken to Womens Aid?.

If he has been divorced before its likely because he treated his ex wife in exactly the same ways as you (and in turn your children) now are. You are not responsible for him and his choices, only your own. Its likely you've also been conditioned into worrying about what other people may think. They have enough of their own lives to further worry about others.

Your childhood was not your fault; that is all on your parents who further subjected you to it. They also taught you how to be codependent but your H's needs and wants here are not more important than your own.

I would also suggest therapy (have a look at BACPs website) in future to start to unpick all the damage, codependent behaviour and other emotional harms you suffered from childhood onwards. You learnt a lot of damaging lessons about relationships when you were growing up and those got transferred to your life with this man who became your H. Your boundaries here, already skewed because of your childhood, were very attractive to someone like your H who really did target you accordingly. You likely met him too when you were very young (perhaps in your late teens, early 20s?) and he swept you off your feet. He showed interest in you and was better than life at home.

PermanentTemporary · 21/09/2021 11:37

Right so financially it could work if he is reasonable.

Do you know your legal situation? Have you talked to a lawyer? Because the whole point of a lawyer is that you don't have to deal directly with your partner.

Unfortunately there's no doubt that a lot of partners will deliberately increase conflict to run up bills and reduce the chances of a functional split. However, one step at a time. It sounds as if you at least get some time alone in the house... can you get copies or screenshot of key documents, his pension, his previous divorce details and settlement, mortgage details,.any savings?

yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 11:38

Thank you. You are right - I will leave the thread in case it also helps others. I hate to think of anyone else suffering like this.

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yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 11:53

It has had a big effect on me just reading these replies. I think I will be able to start trying organise a therapist.

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PermanentTemporary · 21/09/2021 11:59

I'm really pleased to hear it. Just a caveat... a therapist is also a personal relationship and they vary in their 'fit' with you. I'd therefore aim for a therapy centre that a few therapists work at, in case the first one doesn't work well with you.

yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 12:00

Ok thanks yes, it sounds like getting this right would probably be important for me.

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PermanentTemporary · 21/09/2021 12:07

I don't know if you think online/phone counselling would work for you. There is something different about face to face counselling.

This is the BACP page to search for online and phone therapists, anyway.
here

yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 12:17

I think online/phone counselling could work in theory but I just have no idea how to have the space to do it without my husband and/or kids listening. We live in a small place.

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PermanentTemporary · 21/09/2021 12:26

Right, you need face to face then. A bit more difficult as I've no doubt that your husband will smell trouble if/when you say you are off to therapy.

What about a lawyer?

yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 12:28

Yes, maybe. Do they have to be confidential while you talk to them? I am so worried it would push all my husband's buttons. I wonder if, when the time comes, I would be better off trying to get him to come to a private agreement. He is the kind of person who if pressurised or asked to be accountable will absolutely go in for the kill.

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TheTrinity · 21/09/2021 12:37

Legal fees wrack up very easily even if nothing gets achieved at the end of it sadly if the other person does not cooperate and chooses to be unreasonable. I'm unsure about leaving the family home with the children now I think of it because that can affect the legalities against you, so you must to be very clear about that before packing up. A lot of research and fact finding I'm afraid to decide the best way forward for you.

PermanentTemporary · 21/09/2021 12:41

The lawyer? Yes, absolute confidentiality. They are YOUR lawyer and should never act without your say so.

And make it clear to them he would be as nasty as possible. A good family lawyer wants to minimise conflict. It might be that a private agreement would work, but for all your sakes at least understand what your legal rights are.

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