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Confused thoughts about leaving husband

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yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 10:21

I have name changed for this. I have posted a bit before but my thinking has come on a lot and I need some help any help thinking about this will be gratefully received. Basically I think I need to leave my husband, but the story is so unclear in my mind I worry I might simply be going mad. I am full of uncertainty and doubt over the last decade of my life. We have two kids under 10. I am at a point where I have lost a lot of weight, am not sleeping, struggling to meet work commitments, am gravitating towards any signs of kindness from friends and finding it hard to have the emotional energy to hold a space to engage properly in my kids' lives. Although he earns a lot more than me I am pretty much a single parent he rarely spends time with the kids and sort of uses the house as a backdrop to his career. He's in and out, often bad-tempered, or sometimes with a very fake cheerfulness, which I almost feel he does to practice and get into place his work persona when he's got something social/a meeting. He has always refused to do things together. He will do things alone, his way, or not at all. One example has been refusing to join in with festivities that he didn't himself organise (though he never has time or volunteers to organise them). He will call me a control freak for going ahead and organising the kids' birthday presents and getting together a thoughtful bunch of things. It's like he will lash out if he doesn't have a hand in something.

It's been a terrible lockdown/pandemic from my perspective. We have been beset with illness and bereavement, but more than this my H has been drinking heavily, often refusing to get out of bed, several times he has had horrible outbursts at me and even left, or stonewalled me for days. He's never directly apologised and blames me for the dynamic. Don't get me wrong, I'm not perfect. But I don't think I can cause him screaming at me in the middle of the night while I'm asleep and so on. It's been terrible and I feel like I've caught my breath all the time. I've put in extra effort for the kids, all the effort I have, and I am deeply empty, almost going insane.

As I move toward trying to separate I have been thinking over the past of the relationship, trying o work out what happened. At the time I met him I thought of myself as very strong but I have noticed there is another story there. I am from a very traumatic childhood, a difficult family, with a history of eating disorders and an alcoholic parent. Looking back I wouldn't have identified as that but I was very vulnerable. I had always been extremely cautious in relationships. This was suddenly different. He was extremely persuasive and also cross when he didn't get his way, and within six months or so we were living together and married, and I was pregnant. He already had older kids that I barely knew and lots of acrimony. I look back and think how could I have got into this? If a young woman told me about that situation now I would urge her to run for the hills. I am really struggling with this and my role in it the fact that I made those decisions and it was my responsibility to choose wisely and I failed. I look back over the years and I worked so hard to make things seem normal. A lot of his behaviour frightened and shocked me and I certainly joined in with a lot of arguments, so I felt co-responsible. I felt such deep shame when early on I realised it was a mistake, and so ashamed that I didn't really make any of the decisions in a good spirit, that I kept going and was determined to paper over the cracks and 'be normal'. As was to be expected the paper has crumbled off and I am left wondering what there ever was in the first place. I feel like he created in me and enormous sense of obligation to stick with it and make things work -- off the back of a short, probably toxic whirlwind courtship. I feel so done over and also extremely guilty and ashamed, and weak, and I can't compute what has happened. We have all the photos and emails and cards to make it look like it was a happy relationship, and so I wonder if this feeling I've been supressing is all in my own mind.

I think at the beginning I really believed he loved me, though I disliked his coercive style, I was swept along. I feel so stupid and guilty now and also like I have ruined lots of people's lives, including even his, by not doing the proper checks and thought processes at that very beginning.

If you asked him he'd say we were having some problems but that he loves me. He would never look what things are really like in the face.

Does anyone understand my story or have any ways I can use to think about this?

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yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 12:49

Thank you. I am not strong enough to cope with a lawyer yet, thinking about it. I can hardly regulate my breathing.

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PermanentTemporary · 21/09/2021 12:52

Im overloading you. Sorry.

I'm glad you are thinking about this and considering therapy. If only some men could operate in the world without draining women dry. 💐

EducatingArti · 21/09/2021 12:56

Therapists will keep things you say absolutely confidential unless they think you are at risk of significant harm ( eg a suicide attempt or husband throttling you etc) or that a child is at risk of great harm or if they are required to give information by a court of law.
They may discuss your situation with their own supervisor but they would also keep it confidential with the given provisos above!

yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 12:59

Thank you everyone. I am really struggling to stay calm in my body. I have a dr appointment about something else next week and wonder if I could mention this to them. Do you think there's anything they could say or do? Does anyone have experience of mentioning things like this (and how to even mention it? such a sprawling mess) to the GP?

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PermanentTemporary · 21/09/2021 13:02

Oh yes. Updating your GP on your mental state is incredibly helpful to them and that's helpful to you. They may be able to refer you for therapy too. Let them help you.

EducatingArti · 21/09/2021 13:03

I'd write down bullet points based on your first post here. You can the read it out to them or even just give it to them.
They could direct you in the way of NHS talking therapies but there will be a long waiting list. They could prescribe you something to help manage your anxiety in the short term while you get some therapy and get yourself more sorted out. They could also direct you to local support programmes/organisations that help people who are being emotionally abused by partners.

yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 13:12

Thank you, it is kind of you to help and not to be judgemental. Do you really think it sounds like emotional abuse? Emotional neglect, maybe and being unreasonable and unpleasant. I described him recently to a friend as cruel, which best sums up the effect I think it's having on me.

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EducatingArti · 21/09/2021 13:23

Yes I do.
Stonewalling,
Shouting in the middle of the night,
Behaviour you are scared of,
Calling you names
Coercion
Manipulating you into doing stuff you aren't ready for
Not participating in children's birthdays.
I suspect reading between the lines that his name calling and criticism might be the cause or your lack of self esteem and your anxiety.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/09/2021 13:25

I would describe your relationship as abusive and your children will pick up on all this as well. This model is no legacy to leave them and they see the reactions, both spoken and unspoken, between their dad and you. You're so preoccupied with and around him that you are not fully emotionally available to your children (and you've stated as much in your initial post).

If you go to therapy, you need to go to those sessions on your own. Joint counselling is NEVER recommended where there is abuse of any type within the relationship.

Remember too that the only acceptable level of abuse in a relationship is none.

yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 14:21

You are right it does make me preoccupied. It’s ruined a lot of work stuff too.

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yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 15:56

Thank you very much for all these comments, I have written to a few counsellors

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yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 18:16

I think I am just overwhelmed with thoughts. It would be so nice not to have to churn through everything he’s done/been like. I am a natural fixer/problem solver and I think I have been going mad trying to solve this unfixable problem. Maybe the fact that I am so unhappy is enough.

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Footle · 21/09/2021 19:52

You sound unbearably sad. Why are you bearing it? Why must your children learn to bear it? Please prioritise finding a way to a better life.

yellowpigeons · 21/09/2021 20:02

You are right @Footle. I think I have seen my own desperation in this post. It is no way to be.

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Footle · 22/09/2021 21:47

Have you a good friend who'd go with you to talk to a solicitor?

SukiPook · 22/09/2021 23:16

It's definitely abusive, OP. I've just separated from my H because of verbal and emotional abuse, yours sounds way worse. It does help to start realising it IS abuse and it is wrong and not your fault. Start building yourself up in that knowledge. After a bad episode of emotional abuse that left me shaking when I was pregnant, I rang Women's Aid, because I knew from others that had benefited from W.A. that they aren't just for physical domestic abuse. They were brilliant on the phone, definitely reach out to them. They then offered me free counselling, 6 sessions, I think it's called the Freedom Programme. That would be so useful and empowering for you. You're halfway there, you know he's being abusive, and you want the relationship and abuse to end... that's great. You just need to get over the false guilt etc. Therapy would be a great idea. If I was you I would ring W.A .and also some counsellors/therapists first. Yes, I would leave,but you can take the time to get prepared mentally and practically. Actually W.A. are brilliant about this too... if you both own your home and have kids it may make more sense to have him leave, they can advise you on solicitors etc. But don't worry about that for now, take a step at a time and it will be manageable. Also I found it v helpful to read lots of books and watch YouTube vids on verbal abuse, emotional abuse, narcississtic personality disorder etc etc.

The day I left, a huge weight lifted off me. It's only a week and a half ago but I feel so much more peaceful already. Good luck!!

Closetbeanmuncher · 23/09/2021 01:15

I am a natural fixer/problem solver and I think I have been going mad trying to solve this unfixable problem

It's unfixable because you're not the toxic party in this equation. He sounds tyrannical and extremely manipulative.

I think first things first, definately medication for anxiety. Even with your problem fixing tendencies you'll be able to slow your thoughts and body's physical reactions with the right medication.

You'll then be in a place to take the next steps to strengthen your position. This is no life for you or your children yellow.

💐

Closetbeanmuncher · 23/09/2021 01:24

I think you have very clear insight into his behaviour and know you need to leave for your own health.

What matters now is the prep for those next steps. You need your head as clear as possible, which is why I think the meds would give you a massive leg up.

Hope that makes sense.

twoandeights · 23/09/2021 03:29

A lot of what you write resonates with me. I can’t believe I got myself into this situation. Weekly counselling is for you alone and your husband shouldn’t be involved or even know. Lots do zoom therapy now so you can “pop to the supermarket” and zoom from your car. Find a private isolated parking space. Google “zoom counselling anxiety divorce” see what comes up. You need someone with lots of experience who is kind and try out a few to see which one you gel with. It’s taken me a while to find mine. I think you run the risk of drowning in guilt and rumination. Therapy will help you start to imagine your life without him.

Weatherwax13 · 23/09/2021 03:46

I think you should definitely start by telling your doctor what's going on. It'll be a relief to get it out, I think. And they are likely to be able to refer you to someone suitable for counselling which you absolutely need.
Once you have things clearer in your mind through therapy, you'll feel less panicked and vulnerable.
And that will be the time to quietly see a lawyer so you have a full idea of your rights.
But I do think getting to that doctor's appointment, unburdening yourself and asking for help is the first step.
He's an absolute git and has put you through years of misery. You will honestly find the strength to end this.
You just need some support first to get your head a bit straighter. Best of luck

starrynight21 · 23/09/2021 03:55

@yellowpigeons

I was just going to add one other element that has kept me there for so long is the fact that he had been divorced before, and how awful I feel it would be for him to have done the whole thing twice and been divorced twice. I feel so ashamed by the idea of it, and of being almost roped into being a part of the story involving this acrimonious previous breakup. I've just thought I can't be linked to this mess so I need to make it better rather than add to it. I realised much too late what I'd got into. I think maybe he just wanted his life to be positive and normal and repaired and kind of used me in it, and obviously it didn't exactly work either.
Don't feel guilty about "causing him to be divorced twice". You were not there for the first one - this scenario isn't your fault at all.

Look, my DH was married and divorced twice before he met me . He doesn't link the two marriages / divorces or blame either of them for his situation. They were just people who were in his life for a certain period of time, and then they weren't.

Don't let this bother you at all. Your situation is just that - yours. Not yours and his previous wife's.

Harrangued · 23/09/2021 06:50

@yellowpigeons Flowers I too am in a similar situation to yours. Finding it hard to think about leaving and hugely stressed and anxious about taking the plunge. I’m not quite at the talking to lawyer yet as I’m worried about losing everything, sounds materialistic I know but thought I’d finally settled into an area and now may need to move if we go down the separation route.

The emotions you’re feeling I have too, thank you for doing this post x

Closetbeanmuncher · 23/09/2021 09:05

I think you run the risk of drowning in guilt and rumination

This is also my concern which is why I think medical intervention is needed before adding anything else headspace wise (counselling solicitors etc).

yellowpigeons · 23/09/2021 09:51

These are such kind and helpful posts. I did go to the doctor and get some pills, feel a little stronger already. I'm so sorry @Harrangued that you are also stuck in this situation, it is like a torture.

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Closetbeanmuncher · 23/09/2021 10:03

How long have you been taking them yellow?