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Leaving a partner with dementia

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Pamtechnicon · 16/09/2021 12:04

I grew up with dementia: my demented DGM lived with us for years when I was at primary school. Even as a young child I saw how torn and exhausted my DM was, trying to hold everything together and look after our mad granny and her tendency to wander the street in a state of undress or set light to things. In retrospect I can see that me and my siblings were left pretty much to bring ourselves up much of the time while DM tried to look after her DM. Not knocking it, it made us independent, but not ideal.

Life went on. My DP and I met in our 40s and have been together 21 years. It became clear after the first couple of years together that his parents' were declining into confusion and dementia. Our lives became dominated by the need to keep an eye on them and sort their issues out. Whenever we booked to go abroad one or other of them would have a crisis: go missing, have a heart attack, set the kitchen alight, get locked out... DP's DF died first and he wanted his DM to live with us. I said no. She was doubly incontinent and I knew I'd be expected to do all the intimate care and domestic work. Instead I supported him to support her and the family finally agreed that they'd have to pay for a care home. I know you're not supposed to say it but it was a huge relief when she died. I think we both felt as if we'd got our lives back and we had a few really good years.

My partner was offered an early retirement deal in 2019, when he was 63. I was in a position to give up work too. The plan was for us to have a few years travelling and exploring the world free of parental care. Then Covid came along. He seemed to suffer quite badly, being a sociable sort of person. He began to struggle with Zoom and FaceTime: he couldn't remember names and sometimes didn't recognise people. This year it's been noticeable that he tells the same stories again and again and people are beginning to let him know they've heard it before.

Several people have asked me whether he's seen a doctor for tests. No one's mentioned dementia but that's what we're all thinking. He can't remember our dog's name and calls it by the name of a dog he had before I knew him. He gets agitated and confused and shouty over things he has taken in his stride all his life.

He had to go to hospital for an X-ray a couple of weeks ago and because of Covid I couldn't go in with him. It seems he got lost and ended up in a behind-the-scenes service area. He was quite defensive, apparently, when staff tried to help him. One of them phoned me and asked me to go in and help calm him. They thought he had MH issues but when I told them my suspicions they said ah, right, that made sense. When we got home I had a talk with him and told him what I thought was going on and of course he denied it all and was furious and upset and yelled at me and told me I'm the one who's losing it. He's never shouted at me before and it was a taste of how the future is going to be, and I don't want it.

I've talked to our GP who said he'd call DP in for a follow-up on the hospital procedure and assess him when he's there, but the GPs are rushed off their feet trying to cope with more pressing things. I will push but I don't expect much. I'm also trying to prevent DP from driving: I've seen him having little blank moments and it terrifies me.

I really, really don't want to lose another decade of my life to dementia. I want a last bit of independence before I get too old to enjoy spending days exploring foreign cities or walking long-distance footpaths or exploring Europe in a camper van — all things we'd planned to do together but are now out of the question. None of his siblings wanted to be involved looking after their parents. I can't see much help coming from them. DP has an adult DS who's been in the US for the last few years and isn't the type to help.

I'm beginning to feel increasingly certain that I want to get out. I have full-time work for the foreseeable future and enough money and pension coming to mean it'll be possible for me to live relatively comfortably independently. But what kind of partner walks out on someone when they most need support? Am I an utter shit to even be thinking about it?

It's been a loving relationship but he would always, whenever the topic of marriage came up, say that he didn't want to marry again because he didn't want to feel tied down. That suited me. I've been totally independent all my life and I didn't want to be tied down either.

We'd agreed that we'd marry if and when one or the other was gravely or terminally ill, mainly to protect financial interests. But neither of us really wanted to do the 'till death do us part' thing. I suppose in theory this gives me a get-out clause. Has anyone else felt this way? Does anyone know anyone who left a partner with dementia or similar?

The only person I can think of is a distant acquaintance who left her partner after he'd had a major motorbike accident that had left him severely brain-damaged. I can remember people calling her selfish for leaving but I didn't blame her.

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Willdoitlater · 16/09/2021 12:28

If you can't do it, for whatever reason, then you can't. End of discussion. Of course some people will call you selfish, but I doubt very much they'll be offering to help you.

But it worries me you are just assuming dementia. Could be another illness or reaction to medication.

Myyearmytime · 16/09/2021 12:29

Of course you can leave him .
You are not married to him so you don't " have care for him "
You know exactly what caring for dementia is like .
Find him a safe place and get him care and go .
None of us know what round the corner. Enjoy the time you have left in full health .

ThisIsStartingToBoreMe · 16/09/2021 12:32

My perspective on this is - it depends why you live together.

If you live together because you wanted to be like a married couple without getting married then yes, you should support him "in sickness and in health" just like you would have when you made your vows. If you live together just for convenience and companionship then there is no reason why you should feel guilty about leaving.

Itonlymakesyoustronger · 16/09/2021 12:37

I can undesstand but Wow you do come across selfish - How would you feel ifyour relative got dumped by their partner because they had dementia - There something called thinking about the welfare of one self and there is something called selfish - What you have wrote above is selfish. Do him a favour and leave him now.

AuntLucy · 16/09/2021 12:42

I actually don't think anyone who has lived through the reality of day to day caring for a person with dementia would struggle to see why you wouldn't want to give your life to it a second time. It's a horrible illness to support, and thankless, soul-destroying work even for a loved lifetime partner. Yes, some people will judge, almost never as harshly as you will privately judge yourself, but they're not the ones who have to do it. Maybe book some private counselling to help yourself work through the decision process? X

Pamtechnicon · 16/09/2021 12:47

Willdoitlater, not medication — the only thing he's on he's taken ever since I've known him. If you've known dementia you know the signs. Other people who've had family with dementia can see that too. Not sure what particular type of dementia it is, but I'm absolutely certain.

ThisIsStartingToBoreMe, fraid I don't understand the distinction you're making. Married couples can live apart yet take their vows seriously. Unmarried couples can also be totally committed to each other, sickness and health.

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Kenneldogsrock · 16/09/2021 12:47

That sounds very difficult for you particularly based on the experiences you’ve had growing up and with parents. You can absolutely leave and you have no ties. You are not being selfish at all but self preserving. He could live another 20 - 30 years.

sittingonacornflake · 16/09/2021 12:48

This probably sounds quite horrible but if your DP didn't want to marry you because he didn't want to be tied down then I don't see why there should be any expectation for you to now be tied down due to his sickness. He can't have it both ways.

My opinion is that if you don't marry you risk having no one there for you 'in sickness' (I've given some thought to this, as I've never married).

Xdecd · 16/09/2021 12:51

I think there is a space between packing up, leaving and never seeing him again and giving up the next 10 years of your life to caring for him, and you should explore this gap. You're not willing to care for him full time, that's understandable. What would you be prepared to do? If you move out, could you visit him daily? Weekly? Monthly? Could you do a weekly shop so you know he has the things he likes to eat for example? Would you be willing to get involved as an advocate, get him the care he needs, make sure his care home (when you get to that stage) is a pleasant one, the sort of place he would like? What can you do from a distance that would improve the life he has left without giving up the whole of yours?

Your relationship with him is changing. You are no longer his partner, you are becoming his carer. It's fine to opt out of that. But I think you should stay involved to the extent you feel able to, I honestly do think (based on what you have written above) that if you disappear completely you are going to find it tough to live with yourself.

romdowa · 16/09/2021 12:52

If you can't do it then you can't do it. My own father is high risk for developing dementia and I've always been certain that I will not care for him. My only advice to you would be to go before he gets an official diagnosis because the services will look to you to do the work. If there's nobody there then he stands a better chance of getting help.

Pinkbonbon · 16/09/2021 12:53

I dont think its selfish not wanting to be someones carer for the rest of your life.

Anyone who says otherwise - would you spend the rest of your life with someone who can't remember you half the time, shouts at you and gets aggressive, randomly takes their clothes of in public, needs round the clock care, damages your property, leaves you afraid to go to sleep at nights incase they burn the house down? Or numerous other possibilities. And if you'd done it twice already, would you be prepared to do it all again? Knowing you could have 30 years of it?

Utter madness to call anyone who doesn't want to do that 'selfish'.

Also op, I think it's best you go sooner rather than later. In order to give him time to adjust to single life before his dementia gets worse.

FrownedUpon · 16/09/2021 12:54

It’s a decision only you can make. It does make me feel very sad for your partner though.

freshcarnation · 16/09/2021 12:56

You've got one life and one life only.

toothpicklover · 16/09/2021 12:57

I don’t blame you. It’s really hard work looking after someone with dementia. It stops your life to a certain extent and yours has already had enough of it by the sounds of it.

Your GP is not being any good at all. Book your partner an GP appointment, and get them to refer to the memory clinic. He needs help and possibly medications and you need support.

OchreBlue · 16/09/2021 12:59

Step 1: before you go any further find out if it's dementia. I think your past experiences are naturally affecting your thinking but it could be something else that could be treatable: a tumour, a nutrient deficiency, a mini-stroke, a mental health condition, a side effect of a drug etc. He needs to get a proper diagnosis, speak to the specialists together, then consider your options.

We only get one life, I don't think it's wrong for you to consider what's best for you even if it is considered selfish. Caring for a loved one with dementia can be devastating for you and he is young so may still live with it for many years. Having experienced my FIL gradually decline with dementia over the past few years it's been awful and I know I can't go through that with my husband. I'm not saying I would leave but I know for certain I wouldn't be involved with care. Being cared for by relatives is often not the best thing, I know I'd rather trained carers look after me than my exhausted frustrated relatives.

Do you think even if you left him you'd have really mentally left, or would you still be thinking about how he's doing? People progress at different rates my FIL had about 10years of milder symptoms before it was clear he needed extra help. Maybe there's interim options to consider as things progress, while making it clear where your boundaries are, like not wanting to provide physical care? It's a heartbreaking situation but I don't think you're wrong to consider your own life and health.

CorrBlimeyGG · 16/09/2021 12:59

You always have the right to walk away, but to do so would be beyond selfish. No one enters a relationship intending to be a carer, but that possibility is always there and it's what we accept when we love someone.

If you do leave, then either stay single or be upfront with future partners that you'll leave them once things get tough.

PermanentTemporary · 16/09/2021 12:59

I understand your feelings. I didn't grow up with the same issues but I'm currently finding the balance between in-laws and mother, all in their 80s with different types of illness, while I'm a single parent with a FT job, extremely difficult. I've just got Covid, again, and all sorts of arrangements are crashing to the ground.

Like the poster above, if you could think about remaining his friend and advocate, without doing the care, would it be any easier? You sound as if you're feeling on the edge of a cliff and scared to look down because you know exactly what the fall looks like. I can't blame you for wanting to walk away. But you're not your Mum and maybe it doesn't have to be like that.

AlternativePerspective · 16/09/2021 13:00

I don’t think it’s selfish not to want to be someone’s carer.

I do however think that it takes a certain kind of person to dump and run at the first sign of illness.

I wouldn’t want to be a carer for a partner and I wouldn’t want them to be mine. But I do think that it shows a distinct lack of feeling if you can just decide they’ve got an illness you don’t like so you’re not only not going to be their carer (fair enough) but you want nothing more to do with them.

This is (potentially) dementia but the truth is that we’re all just a car crash away from becoming severely disabled. Do people really think that a disability should automatically cancel out all feelings you have for them? That’s incredibly sad if so.

Hoppinggreen · 16/09/2021 13:00

Well he didn’t want to get married and be tied down did he?
Works both ways, you aren’t tied down either.
I wouldn’t care for anyone with Dementia, sdad has it and at the moment my Mum manages ok but she is getting frail. I have made it very clear that while I am very fond of him he has a daughter

Pamtechnicon · 16/09/2021 13:00

To those who say I'm selfish, I would want him to leave me if I developed this horrible disease. I wouldn't want him to have the final stage of his life marred by having to feed me and wipe my arse and endure the endless repetitive chats and have to be constantly on the look out for disasters. I'd far rather he got to enjoy his life as fully as he could and leave me to professionals. If you love someone you don't want to tie them down or make their lives miserable, surely?

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BlackIsQueen · 16/09/2021 13:01

You reached your limit, and I totally understand why. I helped support a family friend with dementia for five years and only stopped when she tried to end me. I'd never do it again.
Really it doesn't matter what other people think, they don't have to live the day to day of it. Do you think he is ill enough to warrant a nursing home place and does he have the money to pay for it?

For those of you calling the op selfish, have you cared for someone with dementia? It is horrific and stressful and you are grieving the person they were as you do it. Do not recommend.

PermanentTemporary · 16/09/2021 13:01

I do think, definitely, that you could move out. That will move things forward quite a bit. It would also give you some space which it sounds like you need.

SylviaTrench · 16/09/2021 13:02

I think anyone who says you are selfish should try looking after a dementia patient for a week, 24/7, with no breaks.

Personally, and from my own experience of caring for a relative, I wouldn’t blame you for leaving.

Supersimkin2 · 16/09/2021 13:02

Go.

Setting yourself on fire doesn't put him out.

Her0utdoors · 16/09/2021 13:03

Do it.
I'm married and have had to face this. I'm not in a position leave. If I did have small dc I'd be out in a flash, despite the financial penalty of divorcing someone with future care needs. It hard and scary already, and I know these are the easy years.

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