Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Leaving a partner with dementia

350 replies

Pamtechnicon · 16/09/2021 12:04

I grew up with dementia: my demented DGM lived with us for years when I was at primary school. Even as a young child I saw how torn and exhausted my DM was, trying to hold everything together and look after our mad granny and her tendency to wander the street in a state of undress or set light to things. In retrospect I can see that me and my siblings were left pretty much to bring ourselves up much of the time while DM tried to look after her DM. Not knocking it, it made us independent, but not ideal.

Life went on. My DP and I met in our 40s and have been together 21 years. It became clear after the first couple of years together that his parents' were declining into confusion and dementia. Our lives became dominated by the need to keep an eye on them and sort their issues out. Whenever we booked to go abroad one or other of them would have a crisis: go missing, have a heart attack, set the kitchen alight, get locked out... DP's DF died first and he wanted his DM to live with us. I said no. She was doubly incontinent and I knew I'd be expected to do all the intimate care and domestic work. Instead I supported him to support her and the family finally agreed that they'd have to pay for a care home. I know you're not supposed to say it but it was a huge relief when she died. I think we both felt as if we'd got our lives back and we had a few really good years.

My partner was offered an early retirement deal in 2019, when he was 63. I was in a position to give up work too. The plan was for us to have a few years travelling and exploring the world free of parental care. Then Covid came along. He seemed to suffer quite badly, being a sociable sort of person. He began to struggle with Zoom and FaceTime: he couldn't remember names and sometimes didn't recognise people. This year it's been noticeable that he tells the same stories again and again and people are beginning to let him know they've heard it before.

Several people have asked me whether he's seen a doctor for tests. No one's mentioned dementia but that's what we're all thinking. He can't remember our dog's name and calls it by the name of a dog he had before I knew him. He gets agitated and confused and shouty over things he has taken in his stride all his life.

He had to go to hospital for an X-ray a couple of weeks ago and because of Covid I couldn't go in with him. It seems he got lost and ended up in a behind-the-scenes service area. He was quite defensive, apparently, when staff tried to help him. One of them phoned me and asked me to go in and help calm him. They thought he had MH issues but when I told them my suspicions they said ah, right, that made sense. When we got home I had a talk with him and told him what I thought was going on and of course he denied it all and was furious and upset and yelled at me and told me I'm the one who's losing it. He's never shouted at me before and it was a taste of how the future is going to be, and I don't want it.

I've talked to our GP who said he'd call DP in for a follow-up on the hospital procedure and assess him when he's there, but the GPs are rushed off their feet trying to cope with more pressing things. I will push but I don't expect much. I'm also trying to prevent DP from driving: I've seen him having little blank moments and it terrifies me.

I really, really don't want to lose another decade of my life to dementia. I want a last bit of independence before I get too old to enjoy spending days exploring foreign cities or walking long-distance footpaths or exploring Europe in a camper van — all things we'd planned to do together but are now out of the question. None of his siblings wanted to be involved looking after their parents. I can't see much help coming from them. DP has an adult DS who's been in the US for the last few years and isn't the type to help.

I'm beginning to feel increasingly certain that I want to get out. I have full-time work for the foreseeable future and enough money and pension coming to mean it'll be possible for me to live relatively comfortably independently. But what kind of partner walks out on someone when they most need support? Am I an utter shit to even be thinking about it?

It's been a loving relationship but he would always, whenever the topic of marriage came up, say that he didn't want to marry again because he didn't want to feel tied down. That suited me. I've been totally independent all my life and I didn't want to be tied down either.

We'd agreed that we'd marry if and when one or the other was gravely or terminally ill, mainly to protect financial interests. But neither of us really wanted to do the 'till death do us part' thing. I suppose in theory this gives me a get-out clause. Has anyone else felt this way? Does anyone know anyone who left a partner with dementia or similar?

The only person I can think of is a distant acquaintance who left her partner after he'd had a major motorbike accident that had left him severely brain-damaged. I can remember people calling her selfish for leaving but I didn't blame her.

OP posts:
leavesthataregreen · 16/09/2021 15:30

You've done it three times. You did it as a child. You've done it as an adult. You don't have to do it in old age. You don't have to care for someone who is changing beyond recognition just because you loved them before. And you don't have to feel guilty either.

The responsible and loving thing to do would be to make sure he has adequate provision to live safely on his own and to ensure family understand. Better that you leave now while he is still at an early stage.

He needs to get treatment asap. Recent breakthroughs can keep dementia at bay for a long time., My DM was declining rapidly. Put on new pills and the decline stalled for many years.

You are allowed to live your life. Some people will judge you for it but I bet they're not the ones who have already lived with demented loved ones for years.

Calibrate · 16/09/2021 15:31

@Pamtechnicon I have worked in dementia care for the vast majority of my career, and unless someone has direct experience of caring for and/or living with someone with dementia then I'm afraid they are not qualified to comment on your situation.

Denentia has obviously taken a huge chunk of your life, both as an adult and as a child. Please don't let it take your retirement.

I have come across so many partners or spouses who have felt guilt at not being able to car for their loved one, but no one who is involved in dementia care would judge. Dementia is a cruel disease and I wouldn't wish it, or having to care for someone with dementia on my worst enemy.

Take care of yourself op

Pamtechnicon · 16/09/2021 15:33

Yes, I understand that CornishGem. The thing is that if he remains in denial and continues to insist that everything's okay and he's fine, it'll be difficult to get any support set up before I leave. Social workers and care support are unlikely to get involved unless he's diagnosed by someone, surely? We saw this with DP's parents, who had to reach quite an advanced stage and become a danger to themselves and others before SS would take an interest.

I'm going to make an appointment for myself with our GP surgery and take in a letter explaining the situation and my observations. I'm going to ask them to contact him and ask him to go in. I'll ask a couple of our friends to talk to him about it too: they've noticed and talked to me about his memory issues. Perhaps between us we can badger him in the direction of the memory clinic.

I'll also follow up that link about what to do about people who are driving, because although he drives me around he has moments when he seems not to be certain of where we are. I would be concerned that, on his own, he would be dangerous.

I'm laughing at the person who loftily informed me I should have known better and accompanied him into the hospital. He's a fit and youthful-looking 65-year-old who doesn't accept there's anything wrong with him and tells me I'm the one losing it. He wouldn't have permitted me to go in with him. Anyone who's ever experienced this situation will get it.

OP posts:
Porcupineintherough · 16/09/2021 15:34

There's no suggestion that the OPs partner wants to end his life @ILoveAllRainbowsx so your post is a bit distasteful. Just because you wouldnt want to live with dementia, or care for anyone w dementia, doesnt mean assisted dying is the great solution for everyone.

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 16/09/2021 15:36

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

CornishGem1975 · 16/09/2021 15:37

@Pamtechnicon

Yes, I understand that CornishGem. The thing is that if he remains in denial and continues to insist that everything's okay and he's fine, it'll be difficult to get any support set up before I leave. Social workers and care support are unlikely to get involved unless he's diagnosed by someone, surely? We saw this with DP's parents, who had to reach quite an advanced stage and become a danger to themselves and others before SS would take an interest.

I'm going to make an appointment for myself with our GP surgery and take in a letter explaining the situation and my observations. I'm going to ask them to contact him and ask him to go in. I'll ask a couple of our friends to talk to him about it too: they've noticed and talked to me about his memory issues. Perhaps between us we can badger him in the direction of the memory clinic.

I'll also follow up that link about what to do about people who are driving, because although he drives me around he has moments when he seems not to be certain of where we are. I would be concerned that, on his own, he would be dangerous.

I'm laughing at the person who loftily informed me I should have known better and accompanied him into the hospital. He's a fit and youthful-looking 65-year-old who doesn't accept there's anything wrong with him and tells me I'm the one losing it. He wouldn't have permitted me to go in with him. Anyone who's ever experienced this situation will get it.

Yes, it's very hard. The denial is difficult to deal with - like you say until it's gone too far. I think my dad went to the GP himself in the end, like you're planning to do and that's what got the ball rolling on a formal diagnosis after someone came out to the house and assessed her memory. She then agreed to go for a scan etc.

After diagnosis, though we couldn't get any support from SS, the council, crisis teams. Even when she was being violent. In the end, we had to call the police who called an ambulance as we had no other options. She was taken to hospital and never came home again.

ToffeeNotCoffee · 16/09/2021 15:37

Good idea re: getting a Dr appointment and taking a letter with your observations.

Also getting his friends on board.

Please be prepared to step back and don't expect to be contacted in the future regarding any developments should he decline or die.

Evasmissingletter · 16/09/2021 15:37

Your partner is mid 60s . He could live with dementia for another 20 years. Having looked after my mum with Alzheimer’s and dementia for 6 years it as all consuming and soul destroying and as it progresses they become totally reliant on you. It’s great to hear you will support him but don’t let it stop you doing what you want. You have every right to have a fulfilling life as well💐

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 16/09/2021 15:39

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 16/09/2021 15:41

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Pamtechnicon · 16/09/2021 15:45

How dreadful for you, CornishGem. Your poor father — and your poor mother, they both deserved better. But you can't help people until they are able to recognise that they need help.

OP posts:
IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 16/09/2021 15:47

If you love someone, you don't walk away when they need you the most.
But.
That doesn't mean that you personally do the caring. Caring for a person with dementia is HARD. particularly in the early stages IME oddly enough. Periods of lucidity, erratic behaviour, services won't recognise their needs - it's hell.

Sometimes the best way to help them is to refuse to help them.
Adult services will leave you to go under if they can. Someone who needs specialised care should get it. All too often though, relatives are guilted into providing care they are not trained for or really capable of doing and everyone suffers.

HeyGirlHeyBoy · 16/09/2021 15:48

My DDas has lived very contentedly wuth dementia for the last ten years. He has not once got cross or shouted nor has he mixed up our names... It doesn't always follow the same route. It is hard to care for him sometimes but i cherish the time at the same time, knowing I will be glad to have given him this time. He loves to chat, joke and is incredibly grateful and affectionate. It's not always like this but I wanted to give another perspective. I appreciate a 65yo non spouse is a very different thing.
Best of luck op. Please reconsider the use of 'demented' and 'mad'. While you are understandably clear on your own intentions, it's still hard to read those descriptions as someone whose beloved DDad is goint through this unfair decline. I hope you have a long, healthy life ahead Flowers.

Pamtechnicon · 16/09/2021 15:48

For what it's worth, ILoveRainbows, I agree with you and don't feel at all hurt. I have an Advance Directive, written after watching what my own DM had to go through in her last months, which makes it clear that I think there are many worse things than death. Dementia is one of them.

OP posts:
TheRebelle · 16/09/2021 15:49

I think as you’re not married and you don’t have children together then no, it’s not selfish to say you don’t want to become his carer. He has blood relatives who can ensure he has what he needs. This isn’t what you signed up for and you only get one life, you shouldn’t have to spend it looking after a revolving door of relatives with dementia.

SparklingLime · 16/09/2021 15:49

I’ve done a fair amount of care for relatives who are terminal, full personal care for very difficult people, but no dementia. I wouldn’t judge you for a moment, OP. Jesus, you’ve had a hard time with this, and right from childhood. In your update you sound quite settled in your thoughts. If you stayed you would be sacrificing your life, for what may be minimal benefit for your OP. Flowers

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 16/09/2021 15:52

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

QueeniesCroft · 16/09/2021 15:54

A dear friend of mine killed himself last year because he couldn't cope with his wife, who had dementia. Because she was violent, carers refused to go to their home. For the same reason, he couldn't get her accepted into a care home. Because he was physically fit and living in the same house, SS effectively told him that he just had to manage. He coped until the first lockdown, when the extra burden of isolation just tipped him over the edge and he hanged himself.

So many people have an idealised vision of a devoted spouse lovingly and gladly caring for their declining partner, but it can involve be a really brutal experience. I would never judge anyone who didn't want to put themselves in that position, especially when they already have experience of it. Not all dementia patients are charmingly scatty, some are violent and angry. That isn't their fault, but their illness doesn't need to have more than fatality.

throwa · 16/09/2021 15:54

Go. No one who has had direct experience of dementia as a carer will ever blame you or hold it against you.

My dad ended up with a form of dementia as a result of a stroke - when my mum went into hospital to see the consultant she told her that he would never come home and that she would not be able to care for him (he needed 1:1 care 24 hours a day). In a way this bluntness really helped my mum - it was not possible for her to do it herself and she should not guilt herself about this.

My mum, whilst obviously in shock, could then go about getting him sorted in the most appropriate place for him and also, setting things up for the next 20 years of her life (like you OP, she was relatively young - early 60s and had a lot of travelling and 'doing things' left in her). Some people judged her for that - we her children never did. She also didn't go into the home every day, she started to rebuild her life, get activities away from him and a new network of friends etc.

Get the diagnosis for him, by all means remain an advocate for him, but make it very very clear that you will not be doing the care needs etc. In a few years he won't recognise you in any case and when you get to that point it's distressing for him and you both, and we stopped visiting him then, preferring to remember him from before.

I wish you the very best for your future. But do be selfish - no one who has been in this position themselves will judge you, and those who do judge you either haven't had direct experience of it themselves, or are far better people than I will ever be.

HeyGirlHeyBoy · 16/09/2021 15:55

If you see my post a few back iloverainbows, my DDad is incredibly content living with dementia, and so grateful for the shared family care we give him. It is for him, a gentle decline. Ten years in now, since diagnosis. If I had the same experience as him I would want to be here, as he does, and he appreciates everything, a walk, a trip to q cafe, a visit from his grandchildren, 'life is sweet' as he says. Gives a different perspective.

DominicRaabsTravelAgent · 16/09/2021 15:55

This probably sounds quite horrible but if your DP didn't want to marry you because he didn't want to be tied down then I don't see why there should be any expectation for you to now be tied down due to his sickness. He can't have it both ways.

^This

Having seen what caring for someone with Dementia entails, no I wouldn't judge you.

For what it's worth I do know someone who did this yes. Slightly different in that it was his family that were dead set against him marrying her as they wanted to keep the inheritance from his home.

When he developed dementia and could no longer cope on his own, they really wanted her to move him in and do everything.

When she said "no, if we were married it would be different, but you didn't want that so you need to step up and care for him".

He very quickly was assessed and put in a care home and she was able to visit regularly.

QueeniesCroft · 16/09/2021 15:58

But I would be interested to know if anyone on this thread would like to live once they have been diagnosed with dementia as I certainly would not.
I would never actively take the decision to die. We lost a close relative recently to dementia, and he wouldn't have either. He was very accepting of his death and talked to us about it in his moments of clarity, but he would never have sought it.

billy1966 · 16/09/2021 16:04

@MrsTerryPratchett

I'm struggling to read the posts that say you're being selfish.

Some posters on MN are very generous with other people's time and money. It doesn't mean anything in real life.

I agree.

I have heard of this happen in family's.

Invariably it is women who are roped in to do it.

Informing the GP with a clear letter is good.

But telling him the relationship no longer works for you may be kinder and simpler.

Telling him that you wish for space and to live alone is your choice to make.

Flowers
NutellaEllaElla · 16/09/2021 16:06

@HeyGirlHeyBoy

If you see my post a few back iloverainbows, my DDad is incredibly content living with dementia, and so grateful for the shared family care we give him. It is for him, a gentle decline. Ten years in now, since diagnosis. If I had the same experience as him I would want to be here, as he does, and he appreciates everything, a walk, a trip to q cafe, a visit from his grandchildren, 'life is sweet' as he says. Gives a different perspective.
Hi @HeyGirlHeyBoy, was just quoting you to echo your sentiments. My dad was diagnosed early, 5 years ago. He is happy and we have had 5 good years as a family. We've intentionally spent more time together, more family holidays and it has been valued. I suspect it won't always be nice but clearly the date of diagnosis is not the time to be calling it quits.
Sakurami · 16/09/2021 16:11

No judgement from me. And even if people judge, it is your life. The judgy people can do the care if they want.

You can still visit etc.