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Leaving a partner with dementia

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Pamtechnicon · 16/09/2021 12:04

I grew up with dementia: my demented DGM lived with us for years when I was at primary school. Even as a young child I saw how torn and exhausted my DM was, trying to hold everything together and look after our mad granny and her tendency to wander the street in a state of undress or set light to things. In retrospect I can see that me and my siblings were left pretty much to bring ourselves up much of the time while DM tried to look after her DM. Not knocking it, it made us independent, but not ideal.

Life went on. My DP and I met in our 40s and have been together 21 years. It became clear after the first couple of years together that his parents' were declining into confusion and dementia. Our lives became dominated by the need to keep an eye on them and sort their issues out. Whenever we booked to go abroad one or other of them would have a crisis: go missing, have a heart attack, set the kitchen alight, get locked out... DP's DF died first and he wanted his DM to live with us. I said no. She was doubly incontinent and I knew I'd be expected to do all the intimate care and domestic work. Instead I supported him to support her and the family finally agreed that they'd have to pay for a care home. I know you're not supposed to say it but it was a huge relief when she died. I think we both felt as if we'd got our lives back and we had a few really good years.

My partner was offered an early retirement deal in 2019, when he was 63. I was in a position to give up work too. The plan was for us to have a few years travelling and exploring the world free of parental care. Then Covid came along. He seemed to suffer quite badly, being a sociable sort of person. He began to struggle with Zoom and FaceTime: he couldn't remember names and sometimes didn't recognise people. This year it's been noticeable that he tells the same stories again and again and people are beginning to let him know they've heard it before.

Several people have asked me whether he's seen a doctor for tests. No one's mentioned dementia but that's what we're all thinking. He can't remember our dog's name and calls it by the name of a dog he had before I knew him. He gets agitated and confused and shouty over things he has taken in his stride all his life.

He had to go to hospital for an X-ray a couple of weeks ago and because of Covid I couldn't go in with him. It seems he got lost and ended up in a behind-the-scenes service area. He was quite defensive, apparently, when staff tried to help him. One of them phoned me and asked me to go in and help calm him. They thought he had MH issues but when I told them my suspicions they said ah, right, that made sense. When we got home I had a talk with him and told him what I thought was going on and of course he denied it all and was furious and upset and yelled at me and told me I'm the one who's losing it. He's never shouted at me before and it was a taste of how the future is going to be, and I don't want it.

I've talked to our GP who said he'd call DP in for a follow-up on the hospital procedure and assess him when he's there, but the GPs are rushed off their feet trying to cope with more pressing things. I will push but I don't expect much. I'm also trying to prevent DP from driving: I've seen him having little blank moments and it terrifies me.

I really, really don't want to lose another decade of my life to dementia. I want a last bit of independence before I get too old to enjoy spending days exploring foreign cities or walking long-distance footpaths or exploring Europe in a camper van — all things we'd planned to do together but are now out of the question. None of his siblings wanted to be involved looking after their parents. I can't see much help coming from them. DP has an adult DS who's been in the US for the last few years and isn't the type to help.

I'm beginning to feel increasingly certain that I want to get out. I have full-time work for the foreseeable future and enough money and pension coming to mean it'll be possible for me to live relatively comfortably independently. But what kind of partner walks out on someone when they most need support? Am I an utter shit to even be thinking about it?

It's been a loving relationship but he would always, whenever the topic of marriage came up, say that he didn't want to marry again because he didn't want to feel tied down. That suited me. I've been totally independent all my life and I didn't want to be tied down either.

We'd agreed that we'd marry if and when one or the other was gravely or terminally ill, mainly to protect financial interests. But neither of us really wanted to do the 'till death do us part' thing. I suppose in theory this gives me a get-out clause. Has anyone else felt this way? Does anyone know anyone who left a partner with dementia or similar?

The only person I can think of is a distant acquaintance who left her partner after he'd had a major motorbike accident that had left him severely brain-damaged. I can remember people calling her selfish for leaving but I didn't blame her.

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SeaShoreGalore · 16/09/2021 13:38

I wouldn’t wait until a proper diagnosis had been done, as that way the op will be part of the solution.

CyclingIsNotOuting · 16/09/2021 13:39

I wouldn’t blame you. The fact you aren’t married makes it easier in my opinion.
I do know someone that left their husband because they became ill (not dementia). They made him homeless to force the care system to take over.
He died a couple of years after the divorce was finalised and I think she regretted it because she thought she would have to care for him for many, many years and as it turned out, that wouldn’t have been the case.
As you say, I know a lot of mutual friends thought it was pretty callous at the time and are no longer in contact with her.

Redjumper1 · 16/09/2021 13:39

I think it is sad that you are so completely wiped out from parental care that you just don't have the energy to look after your partner. It sounds like you put off travel etc in favour of parental care, put off a happy childhood in favour of parental care and now can't face putting off living the life you want again in favour of care. This is completely understandable.

I would ensure he has dementia though as it could be something else.

1forAll74 · 16/09/2021 13:42

Is your partner able to comprehend all your views on this matter,and understand that you wan't to be free, and do all the things that you think will make you happier in the future. If you cannot cope with what lies ahead for your partner, things need to be put in motion regarding your partners future too.

FedUpAtHomeTroels · 16/09/2021 13:43

I don't think you are being selfish. Before making any drastic moves, I'd call the GP, tell them he's getting worse and ask for a referall to Memory clinic, insist something is done. Get him in the system and maybe even started on some medication if he does have dementia.
If he does it will take over your life as it did for your DM when you were a child.

334bu · 16/09/2021 13:45
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DismantledKing · 16/09/2021 13:46

I don’t think that you’re being selfish at all. You’ve had so much experience of caring for people with dementia, it’s now time for you to live your life.
You’ve got so many things still left to do.

Pamtechnicon · 16/09/2021 13:48

Thanks for all the responses. I can't really keep up with them all but this is a kind of general response.

I have no intention of just vanishing and never seeing him again but, knowing what it's like living with someone with dementia I think I'm going to have to take steps to ensure that Social Services etc don't corner me into the role of 24/7 carer because we live together. Anyone who's ever sought care or assistance for an elderly or vulnerable person will know that the authorities will (probably quite rightly) do everything they can to avoid getting involved. I think I'm going to have to move out just to ensure that doesn't happen.

I agree with all those who say he needs to see a doctor or the memory clinic first and I will continue to prod the GP. I don't know how things are in your area, but here you seem to have to be at death's door or have a long-established serious condition before you can make an appointment. But I'll persevere and perhaps we can go privately to speed things up. He won't do it of his own volition. His parents wouldn't go to the memory clinic and he couldn't force them. I do understand. Easier to pretend this isn't happening and hope others will pick up the pieces.

I think what I need to do in the shortish term is to find somewhere to live within about a 30-minute drive. I can look in several times a week, organise a grocery delivery etc. But I don't want to be too closely involved because then I'll be sucked back in to more and more hands-on caring. I'd like his siblings and their families to step up and do their bit too, but they left DP and me to look after their parents for years. I'm happy to participate as part of a larger support circle but I'm not going to step up and then watch as everyone else sneaks off and leaves me to it.

I'll need to get advice on the financial situation but I assume that as we're not married and as I'm not vulnerable, the LA could insist on the house being sold to pay for care fees over and above what he can afford out of pocket. He's got a decent lump sum and a reasonable pension and presumably in the next year or two his state pension will kick in so he should be able to cope independently with carers and family and friends at home for a while.

All of us are different. I've gone some way to explaining how I became a very independent person who from a young age planned and took care of myself without expecting anyone else to help. I've always tended to defer things and put money away so that I could be more adventurous in my retirement. For the person who was so sniffy about the idea of me having looked forward to a year campervanning (never caravanning!) around Europe I say that that's something I've looked forward to for years: my reward for working hard, for sacrificing some of the pleasures one might expect in one's 40s and 50s when all our holidays seemed to revolve around visiting and looking after DP's parents.

To whoever wrote the line about setting fire to myself not going to stop him from burning (I've quoted it wrong, I know), thank you. Absolutely. He has the hell of dementia to face but perhaps I can support him through it without having to go through hell.

To those going through similar situations and worse, hugs and sympathies and hopes for a better way through. I can remember spending a week alone with my MiL when she was going through a bad patch and no one in OH's family was available to help. No matter how much you love them, no matter how sorry you are for them, it's torture.

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HarrisonStickle · 16/09/2021 13:50

@SeaShoreGalore

I wouldn’t wait until a proper diagnosis had been done, as that way the op will be part of the solution.
Yes, from the very start OP, you need to make medical people aware that you will not be playing a part. You'll need to be very harsh and stand your ground. My experience is if they know someone's there, they just absolve themselves of any responibility.

I read once of a couple who cared for one of their parents and who practically begged for a place in a home because they couldn't cope, but because they were there nothing was done. They ended up booking the parent in for a week's respite, not going back to collect them and when contacted saying they couldn't cope and that the parent would have to stay in the home. This, incidently, is my plan for when my mother gets much worse.

Please start as firmly as you intend to go on.

I hope you have a rich and fulfilling life in the years ahead.

billy1966 · 16/09/2021 13:51

@sittingonacornflake

This probably sounds quite horrible but if your DP didn't want to marry you because he didn't want to be tied down then I don't see why there should be any expectation for you to now be tied down due to his sickness. He can't have it both ways.

My opinion is that if you don't marry you risk having no one there for you 'in sickness' (I've given some thought to this, as I've never married).

I do not think you are selfish at all.

You have given up enough of your life to this terrible disease.

That you were ever in the frame to look after his mother is frankly unbelievable.

I think that you need to look at moving out before things get worse.

I think it is perfectly acceptable that as a partner in a childless relationship that you didn't sign up for this.

He never wanted to marry which is his right.

You have never wanted to be someone's carer for years, this too is your right.

Do NOT be guilted into this.

Start making your plans and inform his GP.

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brushlaptop · 16/09/2021 13:53

Honestly, I wouldn't blame you if you left

CMOTDibbler · 16/09/2021 13:53

My mum had fairly early onset dementia (65 when it first was apparent) and my dad, love him, care for her till she died. Only one of their friends kept seeing mum and everyone else ran. Dad had no life at all, and neither did mum.
I'd push very hard for a diagnosis of whatever is going on, then push for him to go to a nice care home and get on with your life. You can then choose to visit him or whatever level of involvement you can deal with, but you deserve a life thats not being screamed at or hit. Because for all those people who think you'd be selfish, that can be the reality - a friend concealed for years that his wife with early onset dementia was beating him black and blue every day, and my extremely mild mannered mum would spit and curse at my dad, and yes, she'd hit him.
Saying that 24 hour, 7 day a week care from people who can walk away in the evening is the right thing to do, especially for those who are otherwise younger and fitter (and so more of a fight/flight risk), is not selfish, its a loving choice.

SignOnTheWindow · 16/09/2021 13:55

He didn't want to be tied down. That works both ways.

Artdecolover · 16/09/2021 13:55

He has never wanted to commit to you
Fair enough
You're free to leave and I don't blame you

HarrisonStickle · 16/09/2021 13:58

OP, my mum refused point blank to attend the memory clinic. However, her mobility started to be affected so there was another clinic she went to (I can't remember what it was, everything just melds into the same thing after a while). Anyway, it was through this clinic, and a CT scan that her dementia was diagnosed. I've now, eventually, got power of attorney - something she was absolutely against as well. (My lovely neighbour signed to say my mum had capacity, when I think a lawyer would have questioned it. She was on the cusp at the time.) Someone, somewhere will need this for your partner, but I recommend you stay clear as that will pull you in, too.

You'll need a hard shell to rebuff those who will accuse you of selfishness. Flowers

2000lightyearsaway123 · 16/09/2021 13:59

I actually grew up in a similar scenario to you except it was grandad. Both my parents are alive and well at the moment but my biggest fear is either of them getting dementia. I just don't know that I could go through that. So I would never consider you selfish to make the decision to step away.

Foolsrule · 16/09/2021 13:59

I think you’ve been very honest. Too many people stay through a sense of misplaced duty, which is never going to end well. It sounds as though your DP wouldn’t have cared for you, had the situation been reversed. Why should you care for him when it suited him not to commit?

CornishGem1975 · 16/09/2021 13:59

My mother has dementia (from the relatively early age of 64). She's now in a home and I'm SO pleased for my dad who has now got his life back.

It's not selfish to not want to be someone's carer for what could be decades, I don't care what anyone says. Especially when that person doesn't resemble anywhere near the person they once were. It's almost like having to care for a stranger at times. It is relentless. A person with dementia can be violent and abusive as it progresses. My dad couldn't leave the house for 5 mins. My mum very quickly couldn't use the toilet or clean herself but wouldn't let dad help. It's awful living with dementia whether you're the person with it or the person who has to care for that person.

I have witnessed it and I would not want my loved ones to have to give up their lives to care for me - my mum is 100% better in the care home, and so is my dad.

NutellaEllaElla · 16/09/2021 13:59

I wouldn't blame you op. My dad has dementia. I have worked in those settings. No one who truly understands could blame you.

Fincklebinckle · 16/09/2021 14:01

Flowers do what you need to do OP.

Joy69 · 16/09/2021 14:02

I would leave if you feel that it's right for you. You only have one life. It maddens me when people think you should give everything up to become a carer. If that's what they want to do they should fill their boots. Not everyone wants to, or can do it.
My Mum had alzheimers. I watched my Dad slide into depression, start blood pressure meds etc. I had to go onto anti depressants. Sometimes it's about self preservation. In the end Mum went into a home, it wasn't safe for her to be at home & we didn't have the right facilities for her ( wet rooms etc).
It may be better for your partner if you go because he will get the support that he needs.
Good luck Op Flowers

RedMarauder · 16/09/2021 14:05

OP since I was a teen I've met lots of couples 55+ who didn't live together. I couldn't work out why in some cases others it was obvious e.g. adult children with various disabilities who couldn't be fully independent.

Anyway with the older ones when one of them got sick the other one as they didn't live with them, weren't forced into being their carer. Care was provided by a range of people.

So please do what you plan and move out asap.

Pamtechnicon · 16/09/2021 14:09

Oh, Harrison Stickle and all the others who understand and don't think I'm selfish and have been so kind as to wish me well, thank you from the bottom of my heart. I don't usually cry. Stiff upper lip and get on with it because someone has to. That's usually me. But I can't do more years of this, with it just getting worse and worse. I'm not like someone coming at this for the first time, only slowly realising what they've let themselves in for.

I've been wrestling with this for the last year and now a dam seems to have burst.

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Inthesameboatatmo · 16/09/2021 14:09

OP you are not selfish not at all .
I honestly dont blame you for feeling like this .

I had years of 3 times a week being shouted at looking after my father with dementia we split care between siblings.
Do not let the rest of your life go by caring for him .
It might sound harsh but I wouldn't do it either, people saying you are selfish have absolutely no idea what it's like and you will inside be feeling bad enough and feel like you've abandoned him.
Only you know what is right for you.

Lorw · 16/09/2021 14:14

Thing is that it’s okay to be selfish sometimes and I wish it wasn’t seen as such a bad thing all the time, nobody should have to suffer for someone else.

I personally couldn’t leave if I was in that position but I’m a ‘in sickness and health’ kinda gal, if you think that’s the right decision for you then go for it, life is too short to waste it on ‘what could have been’ and if it is dementia soon enough he probably won’t even know your name as sad as that is Sad