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What to do if your needs are not being met in a relationship?

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Fightingback16 · 10/09/2021 10:03

I’m under he impression that if it’s not being given freely then asking for it will be really un-natural.

I’m learning about needs having been in a Long abusive marriage. I have needs (whether others deem them too much) I still have them. My current relationship is not really filling my needs. He is lovely, completely non abusive just not really available emotionally and beginning to become physically non available.

I think if you love someone you will make time if you don’t you will make excuses.

Is this just a case of non-compatibility? It’s a shame as he is a lively person.

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Fightingback16 · 13/09/2021 15:55

I guess that’s why people don’t understand that even really successful people can even be targeted. They get in and find those inner parts we don’t like and most people have them.

I know someone very successful but has terrible issues with her body even though she is very physically fit, not an ounce of fat but she has an eating/body disorder.

Most people wouldn’t want to use the other persons hurt against them. I’ve had a few relationships but he was my only abuser, what bad luck. A massive lesson learnt and I really don’t want to waste the rest of my life in that waste of space. But it hurts at the moment inside and I guess I have to let it because I never acknowledged it. Acknowledge it and let it go.
I wish I never had this chronic fatigue.

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TheFoundations · 13/09/2021 16:04

what bad luck

I wish I never had

Get out of victim-speak. Everybody's life has bits that are shit. Everybody has somebody in their past that treated them horribly. There's nothing especially 'poor you' about your situation. You're ok. You're normal. You're poorly, like many people. Some of them are happy, some are not. You've had an abusive relationship, like many people. Some of them are happy some are not. You have behaved in ways that embarrass you, like many people. Some of them are happy, some of them are not.

Happy and self respecting are things that are just as available to you as to anybody else. So the question is, what do you want to spend your time thinking about? Future happiness, or past woes?

Fightingback16 · 13/09/2021 17:12

Definitely future happiness.

I can’t reason my way out of this or make any of the past feel better rationalising it can I. I am getting to a point where I’m fed up talking about it and listening to myself, it’s getting boring to my own brain.
It will always be a crap part won’t it? Nothing aw inspiring will come from it will it, no major turning points or epiphany? It’s just crap and now it’s over and it’s time to stop carrying it and using it as an excuse to be sad and a victim and put it down.

It is hard to just accept the mistake when you have been brought up that mistakes are somehow unacceptable.

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TheFoundations · 13/09/2021 17:20

It is hard to just accept the mistake when you have been brought up that mistakes are somehow unacceptable

You've done your time.

Fightingback16 · 13/09/2021 18:14

Yeah and some.

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Fightingback16 · 13/09/2021 18:56

Thanks for talking to me @TheFoundations I really appreciate it. I always felt I had to make sense of it all but I’ve got nowhere as it’s pretty senseless. Do I need to forgive him, what’s wrong with him etc etc. He is just a completely different human to me, I will never make sense of him. I’ve done lots of reading about those kinds of people and I’ve found the parts of me that enabled this to happen as no boundaries so I guess that’s all I need.

I’m bored of him in my life.

Next time if I find myself feeling emotions I’ll tell the truth instead of trying to throw everything away then getting embarrassed. Eg I should have said to bf I’m hurting at the moment and really need some of your time because your hugs make me feel better, that was the truth. If I hurt then I hurt and I must respect it not ignore it then loose myself. The emotion and it’s energy I’ve learnt doesn’t go away, that’s why it manifested to c.f.s.

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TheFoundations · 13/09/2021 19:03

That sounds brilliant. He'll get to know the real you better, that way, too, and your relationship might deepen. I'm guessing that both of you would be happier if you made this change.

I'm glad it's helped, today. I've been where you are and I have an idea of how you're feeling. Feeling bored with feeling shit was the last step of many, for me, before I leapt into feeling better. If I met my abuser now, I'd thank her. I never would have started to look after myself and respecting myself the way I do these days, if she hadn't forced me to challenge the 'beating myself up' parts inside me. I hope the same happens for you; you're on the right track Flowers

Fightingback16 · 13/09/2021 19:24

If I looked at mine I’d think urgh you were so yesterday move on with a little bit of you need locking up and removing from society and a little bit of shame you must have seen some sad stuff to be so messed up.

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TheHouseIsOnFire · 13/09/2021 19:33

It’s so sad to hear you say that you don’t like your inner child. It sounds a bit woo and I imagine some people might find it a bit nauseating to even think it! But I would say that until you can love your inner little girl you will struggle with other relationships. To an outside to hear of a child craving love from a new mum it’s just heartbreaking. I would hug that child so tightly and keep her safe and do whatever I could to bring some love into her life. If only you could turn some love inwards and hug that little girl and make her feel so loved and secure that she wouldn’t need this guy to make her feel needed and secure. He would just be a nice addition to your life, not central to your sense of security.

TheHouseIsOnFire · 13/09/2021 19:39

And I agree with PPs it isn’t fake if you ask someone for what you need. Sometimes they just don’t realise how we’re feeling and need it spelling out. My DP is quite self obsessed Grin and will assume that if everything is ok for him, then it’s ok for me. Sometimes I have to point out to him that my experience of the relationship is not the same as his, even though we’re both in it together! And that the reason he’s so happy with it is that he is getting all his needs met and I am not. Then he’s able to step up and make me feel better about it all. Until the next time. Hope you get it all sorted Flowers

Fightingback16 · 13/09/2021 19:41

There is someone validating though about another person giving you a real hug. I crave it because I’ve never had it and it feels nice. It calms me but then I absolutely don’t want to be in a position where I need it. At the moment my inner child really likes it.

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TheFoundations · 13/09/2021 20:25

Yes, all healthy human relationships are validating, and it's healthy to enjoy that, and want that. The problem comes when we don't get it (when we are alone or get rejected). Healthy hearts and minds can provide themselves with a hug, unhealthy ones have to go without. Going without is unbearable, so we go a bit nuts.

loneranger123 · 13/09/2021 22:14

Yes, all healthy human relationships are validating, and it's healthy to enjoy that, and want that. The problem comes when we don't get it (when we are alone or get rejected). Healthy hearts and minds can provide themselves with a hug, unhealthy ones have to go without. Going without is unbearable, so we go a bit nuts.

TheFoundations I have been reading your responses to op with interest because I have recently discovered that I need to do inner child work. I feel completely lost because of a traumatic upbringing (abuse and neglect) and struggle with relationships in general and don't get what I feel I need from them (which is probably a lot). I am constantly on the look out for mother figures.

I think op (and others like op and me) will get a lot out of what you have posted. Sorry op, I didn't want to hijack your post but I just wanted to ask @TheFoundations whether there is anything else someone can do other than working on your inner child which might garner a healthier heart and mind or does it really all stem from there?

Fightingback16 · 13/09/2021 22:25

No worries @loneranger123 highjack away!

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TheFoundations · 14/09/2021 07:42

@loneranger123

For me, it was about recognising that that grizzling, dissatisfied, angry, tantrum-ing child, was actually a part of me, now. Today. Every day. And about bridging the gap between the day to day 'adult' me, and the sporadic. triggered, 'tantrum' me.

I did it by recognising that when the inner me cries out for something (wants or doesn't want it), that's valid. I dropped any thought process that was similar to 'Is it just me?' or 'Am I just being silly, here?'... anything that was me internally judging my feelings. And recognising that feelings are different from actions.

I quite often see this mixed up on threads on here; 'My boyfriend looks at other women and I feel jealous - AIBU?', when the reality is, she hasn't actually done anything, so she can't have been unreasonable. Feelings aren't meant to be reasoned with! It would be different if she'd burned all his clothes as a result, but if she sat him down and calmly told him 'I feel upset when you look at other women', that's fine. So, the feelings are always valid, and how you present them to the world in your behaviours is the key.

This one recognition for me came in an instant, and I call it the moment when I grew up. I was 42! Now, when the inner me screams 'I HATE THIS!!!' I don't try to shut it up. It's fine to hate this, whatever it is. The internal dialogue used to be 'Stop being a stupid little kid. Why are you always so fucking angry?? This is what adults do, so just get the fuck on with it!' (leading to an explosion later) Now it's 'Yes, it's not really to your taste, is it. That's ok. We'll go home soon, and we'll get some chocolate on the way back: how does that sound?'

Your inner child, when it calms down, is actually what people refer to as your 'gut feeling'. It will guide you towards things you like, and away from things you don't like. It's the bit of you that recognises the nature of things, that senses things but can't quite put them into words. The bit of you that says things like 'I don't trust that guy. I don't know why, something just feels a bit off about him.'

You have to listen to and take care of those feelings. It doesn't have to be called 'working on your inner child'. Mine isn't a child, now, because I gave it the chance to grow out of having tantrums. It's a core voice. It's the real me that I always hid because I thought I should be different or better. You have to moderate your behaviour in response to the voice. Mine tells me it wants to buy a whole case of Green and Black chocolate and eat all of it NOW, quite often. 'Let's just have one bar for now...' will settle it down Smile Once it clicked, for me, my life changed in an instant. It's not about relationships: that's just a symptom. It's about realising that I can do what I want, whenever I want. I can choose which people to be around, which events to attend, which hobbies to pursue, what to eat etc however I damn well please, and nobody can tell me I'm wrong. I can't choose to like things or people that I don't naturally like, so I need to choose carefully, otherwise I will spend my life putting up with things/people I don't like.

I hope that helps. It's a mindset thing. It's taking responsibility for yourself. Nothing at all has to change in your life to make this happen, because the change is in your head. And that means it can happen now, in a flash. Today, before breakfast, you can change your life massively for the better. I fully recommend it!

Fightingback16 · 14/09/2021 07:51

I tell you it’s a very powerful thing. I went to bed last night and had a image of me as I do a lot and repeatedly this one. Me sat in the bathtub after loosing a child and my ex husband smashing up the flat and leaving me alone. I was numb in that bath I only ever get this image with nothing attached to it. So I gave myself in the bath a hug and I felt how utterly betrayed I was but then that made me cry.

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Fightingback16 · 14/09/2021 07:51

And it bloody hurts.

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TwinsandTrifle · 14/09/2021 08:04

@TheFoundations incredible advice

TheFoundations · 14/09/2021 08:06

It does hurt. I had an enormous amount of sadness for how mean I'd been to the real me, the core me, over all of those years. There was a period of recovery, during which things kept coming back to me, and I'd have yet another penny drop in my mind... 'OMG, the only reason that whole episode happened was because I hadn't walked away when x said this or when y did that...' Loads of sadness for not having taken responsibility for myself. But once you recognise that when you are sad, you don't beat yourself up, or judge yourself, it's much better, because you can keep hugging yourself until you feel better.

Fightingback16 · 14/09/2021 08:17

Yeah I guess I just have to feel this and stop denying it by saying I’m fine.

I also realised something else. I used to be a designer but over the years of him I stopped drawing. I haven’t been able to pick up my pen for maybe 10 years now, it was my life before. Now I see drawing was part of my
Inner child, the imagination came from inside me. I have a job now that I realise I hate, my inner child at work is a mess. This job is far from what I enjoy, it’s boring, really boring. She, me wants to tell my boss daily to shove it up there ass but I don’t because I need the money….. I need to make a lot of changes!!!

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TheFoundations · 14/09/2021 08:27

Yeah I guess I just have to feel this and stop denying it by saying I’m fine

Mm-hm. You're not supposed to be fine. You've just discovered a child who's been emotionally neglected by everybody for her entire life, and into her adulthood. It's heartbreaking, and all of your feelings about that are not to be judged. Sad, angry, bereft, grief-stricken... nurture all of them. If she likes to draw, maybe you could get some materials and draw some angry stuff - let her express herself the way she wants.

It really does sound like you're on a good path here. Recognising that you hate your job and need to make changes, but not by poking your bosses eye out, is a brilliant sign that you are catering to your feelings but not by doing anything embarrassing. That's the mindset to apply to relationships too. And everything else. You're on the up, even though things aren't ideal just now!

Fightingback16 · 14/09/2021 08:32

When I first met my IDVA a few years ago she made time for me she said this was one of the worst cases of emotional abuse she witnessed and she had done it for a long time….I said no, it’s not that bad I’m fine. She said I came to her like a robot.. she was right and I can say it now and not have to sit in the corner and panic into disassociation. That so a massive step for me.

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Defiantly41 · 14/09/2021 08:50

I can see that you have great insight into how things have got this way, and determination not to live like this.

I'd encourage you to look into attachment styles so that you can continue to move forward, https://www.instagram.com/p/CTxzyI2PmFZ/?utmmedium=copyy_link

And also your earliest comments on this thread really struck me. Everyone has capacity to learn and grow, and it's not false to ask for what you need. You've already shown your own capacity for growth, why not offer your partner the same opportunity?

Have a look at this article www.brainpickings.org/2014/01/29/carol-dweck-mindset/

Fightingback16 · 14/09/2021 09:01

Thanks @Defiantly41 and you are absolutely right and I knew right away after I threw all my toys that he is simply inexperienced that’s why I withdrew. I told him and he said just ask, it’s fine and I want to support you.

I have send him a quick msg to say I wasn’t happy with the way I behaved, it’s a new for me and next time I will just ask and he said it’s absolutely fine I understand. Then he went on to say he loves me (hehe) he wants me to be happy etc etc and I cried like a baby.

What a relief to hear understanding and not what I had before.

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Defiantly41 · 14/09/2021 09:17

Thanks @fightingback16 - annoyingly the links seem to have transposed themselves in my post - the Brainpickings article is about growth mindset and the link to Instagram (The Secure Relationship) is at the end of the post. I've learned so much about my own reactions from that Instagram series