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Married. But have a very close male friend, am I doing anything wrong? Ps. I know previous months have been bad, but can we maintain a friendship after and it stay as just that?

108 replies

Chloedavis2020 · 06/09/2021 12:23

So I have a friend, who’s the opposite sex to me. We are both married in serious relationships with children of a similar age. He’s someone I knew before my husband, and the only male I’ve ever been close to other than my husband. ( and in a way, I always felt more of a connection with this friend, than my husband.) that said, I obviously love my husband, we’ve built a family and a life together, and nothing will ever come close to that. I knew this friend at school, and we was very close. I always had feelings for him, though I never made them known. He was very much a jack the lad, and was in and out of relationships or one night stands with girls, he never made any moves towards me growing up and we just sat in the friend area for a long time. Although we didn’t do any thing sexually, I always felt close to him, and him me. We would talk for hours. Till early mornings, he would do things for me that he wouldn’t do for anyone else. Eventually at around 19 he slept with my best friend. It’s broke my heart to pieces as it came out of nowhere, they didn’t even speak beforehand, it seems so out the blue and I was shocked and hurt. I think this is when all true feelings I had came to the surface. I was angry and upset, and ignored him, he tried apologising, and from there we both drifted apart and got into new relationships, settled down, married and had children relatively young.

We didn’t speak for around 7 years, until one day he messaged on Instagram. I instantly felt that connection and closeness that was always there as soon as we spoke. We enjoyed catching up, and seeing how happy and well we had done for ourselves. Catching up on 7 years worth of gossip took awhile, and we even spoke of mutual friends we hadn’t seen for the same amount of years. After a few weeks when all the catching up was said and done, we stayed in contact from time to time. It was always him who would message, but I would usually reply. It was all innocent and time passing friendly conversation. Eventually after around a year of talking on and off We expressed how we often found ourselves thinking of the other when we were with our spouses, and it scared us a bit I think. My friend apologised and said he didn’t come back after all these years to try and mess up my life, and he we went from all my social media platforms. We didn’t end on an argument, but just said our goodbyes and wished each other well. I could let him leave easily. A whole year went by, and then he got in contact again. But this time, everything changed. It was like we went from 0-100 and before we knew it we was talking all day everyday, texting, phone calls and even the occasional meet up as friends. Things began to become a little flirty, and we touched on how we both felt sexual tensions. I don’t consider myself a horrible person, and I’m not sure when the lines got blurred, but photos and videos was exchanged in a sexual way. For a few months following this, things were messy. It kind of felt like the beginning of a new relationship, although we have never fully admitted how we feel about eachother, we still maintain we are friends only. I was going through a rough patch at this time, my relationship hasn’t been plain sailing and I’ve been on the receiving end of cheating in some kind of way a lot. It doesn’t justify what I’ve done, but gives some background.

We ended up alone together on a night out, and advances were made by us both, but I couldn’t go through with it and we went home. From then I felt embarrassed, that I had given the impression all these months it was what I wanted, to get it and not go through with it. He understood, he always understands me. I stopped speaking with him for 5 months after, as I decided enough was enough, as bad as it was, it was a wake up call. Not speaking and being in contact atall killed me everyday, I couldn’t let him go as easily as I did the first time and it hurt everyday. He took over my thoughts from morning to night, and I even dreamt about him when asleep. He had become my best friend. The person I was closest to in life, and it felt almost like grieving. 5 months later I finally caved, and asked his brother to tell him to contact me.

It’s been 6 months since we’ve been back in contact, and for me it feels the best, healthiest few months so far. Nothing of a sexual nature has been spoke about or exchanged, we don’t flirt and we don’t meet up. It really feels like the old schools days when it was a friendship only. We spoke alot about the past messy months. And I apologised for all the inappropriate things I said and done, I think at the time I was just a little lost in life, and he was my life line. I said there was a time I felt I had feelings in a romantic way, but feel they have all simmered down to care and compassion for a friend. He said he found this sad, but it’s good. He says he’s glad nothing happened with us. And that he values me too much to just have me as a one night stand. He says what we have is worth more than sex, and he’s just grateful he has me atall. He says we can never be more than friends, so if friends the best it’s going to be then he’s happy with that. He says if we did have sex, I would just think of him as a mistake, cuz that’s all it’ll be allowed to be and he doesn’t want to be that to me. He says he’s worried if something happened I would panic and cut him out of my life. He says he cares about me, and my family, and he doesn’t wanna mess anything up as he could never live with himself after destroying my family. Since then things have been platonic, we speak everyday alomost still, but about our children, partners, work, mutual friends, life in general. But he’s been asking to meet ALOT. A lot more than in the past. And I’ve refused everytime. I’m scared he now wants more? Or are we just friends. Is it safe to be friends once this has happened? I feel only friendly feelings now, but care deeply. Some days I just wanna hug and cuddle him, which is different from the sexual thoughts I once had. What does this all mean please? Please be kind. I never went out looking for any of this to happen. And I’ve never cheated, no even kissed another man in 15 years of marriage. I doubt my husband could say the same. And when I say he asks to meet, it’s as friends not in a hot sweaty hotel room. Thank you for taking the time to read and reply :)

OP posts:
Onthedunes · 06/09/2021 17:33

The fact is you ARE cheating.

Your emotionally time and energy are being given to another man outside of your marriage.

You are giving power to this OM against your husband, your husband is a mug and you have made him one.

You have made your husband look pathetic in your eyes just so this OM gets his ego trip.

And what are you getting out of it, ego, adoration, drama a story to tell.
This man is a player, his words enchant women, not just you but all the women he has come across.

Does he make your husband seem boring? he's a charmer, a rough diamond a charismatic ranconteur.

Wake up , he makes you feel special, but you are not believe me, he is just playing with you, you think you are the one in control.

Bullshit, you are an idiot, why do some women believe the shit men churn out. It sounds harsh but you are nothing special, you were not special enough for him to stay arround and persue you years ago and you are not special now.

Your 'deep bond' is garbage, just because you knew him at school and he didn't try it on then, he prefered your friend, shows you, you were not 'the one'.

Well he knows exactly how compliant you are and how easily you believe the bullshit from years ago and now he is bored so voila he's turned up because essentially you are easy to manipulate.

Hark at at you as though you are some star crossed lovers destined to be together cause no one else communicates like you two, even without the sex!

If this feels a bit too close to the bone well good because you are about to throw away everything that is stable and real for this bored individual who is using you.

I could tell by your long opening post, wittering on about the romantism of it that you just want to be listened to and he knows this just as much as we all do. You are too trusting of this man and whether your husband knows or finds out about him will have repercussions in the future.

It may not be now but believe me your husband will not forget and probably subject you to some retribution.

Really this friend is not worth it.

Chloedavis2020 · 06/09/2021 17:58

Ok so this will be my final response, as I used a throw away email and will shortly be logging out. This post is just for all the people who quotes “my poor husband.” As I stated previously in my discussion I’m aware what I have done wrong, I don’t condone it. But as for my poor husband, I’ve been stuck in this domestically violent relationship since 6 months after our wedding day. You don’t think I’ve tried to leave a 100 times already, you don’t think I’ve told him I don’t want this anymore. He won’t let me leave. He says and I quote “if you ever leave I will kill you, or myself, we both aren’t getting out with marriage alive.” As I tried to explain earlier things really aren’t as black snd white as they seem. Yes I’m a terrible person, yes I sent a sexy photo to a married man, yeh I speak to him regularly. But he’s been the only friend I’ve ever really had lately, he’s the only one I’m comfortable enough with to tell my story, and the only person who knows anything about me. If he just wanted sex as you all seem to think, he’s had lots of opportunities when I’m been down, upset and vulnerable. I don’t beleive he will ever make a pass at me, is it so unrealistic to beleive we are actually friends? And he genuinely cares for me? I have stated we have got it wrong it The past, and if anything I admire him for not taking advantage whilst he could.

I came here looking for advice from someone who’s been in my shoes, not for people to comment who hasn’t been in anything remotely similar.

And before anyone else jumps on the bandwagon about how they know exactly what I should regarding my relationship, again unless u have been there I’m not interested. It sounds all too easy to just leave. I wish it was that simple. And also, if I did leave. I would not want to be with this friend, even if we was both single it’s not what I would want.

OP posts:
EmbarrassingMama · 06/09/2021 18:02

Spectacular drip feeding there OP.

Hmm
Hekatestorch · 06/09/2021 18:05

And what about those of us that have been there and still think you are cheating.

That's a massive drip feed. You need to leave him.

But that's not am excuse for setting and being over involved with a married man. How does his wife deserve this?

Or is she just collateral damage in your toxic relationships?

You can't say 'I know he is married but he is all I have', she isn't going to say 'ah yeah fair enough'. Nor is it going to make it better for your kids.

And if your husband is that dangerous, you are creating more risk for you AND your kids.

You need specialist support, women's aid for example. Not someone who is using you for his ego massaging and for a want bank while his wife carry on life as normal.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 06/09/2021 18:06

A friend who knows you're in an abusive relationship with someone who has threatened to kill themselves and kills you if you leave then but puts you in further monumental danger by exchanging sexual videos and photos is an absolute cunt who really doesn't care about you. What a twat. It's WORSE he's been complicit in this knowing you're in danger and being abused. What a shit 'friend' to put his dick before your safety.

householdrmk · 06/09/2021 18:19

National Helpline: 0808 2000 247

Yerdoinmanapperinwiyerpish · 06/09/2021 18:23

Sploosh 💧 🌊

And you’ve said at least twice you love your husband and that nothing will ever come close to that.

And now, when the tide is against you, you state you are in a violent relationship.

Yerdoinmanapperinwiyerpish · 06/09/2021 18:25

Sorry - posted too soon.

If that is the case you need Womens Aid - not a fancy man and not a romanticised version of someone who has endangered you with the exchange of videos and pictures when he knows your situation.

mynameisbrian · 06/09/2021 18:33

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householdrmk · 06/09/2021 18:40

We don't know if the OP is a victim of DV or not. OP I've given you the national helpline number. I hope you're ok and call them to get some support. If you look on your council website you're see local organisations who can help you with support and advice.

There is a line you can phone regarding 'revenge porn' if this bloke (who is taking advantage of you OP) decides to try to blackmail you:
Revenge Porn Helpline - 0345 6000 459

You could also try the Freedom Programme for help with relationships or individual therapy to help you get unstuck from all this drama.

I wish you all the best.

Marineboy67 · 06/09/2021 18:47

I think it's a case of cake and eating it. You can't come on to a general forum and cherry pick responses that suit your narrative. You sound a bit selfish and quite immature. Off to delete your temporary email address because you don't like the truth. Happy life eh and all that

Hekatestorch · 06/09/2021 18:51

@youvegottenminuteslynn

A friend who knows you're in an abusive relationship with someone who has threatened to kill themselves and kills you if you leave then but puts you in further monumental danger by exchanging sexual videos and photos is an absolute cunt who really doesn't care about you. What a twat. It's WORSE he's been complicit in this knowing you're in danger and being abused. What a shit 'friend' to put his dick before your safety.
This is so true.
VinylCafe · 06/09/2021 19:31

@Yerdoinmanapperinwiyerpish

Sploosh 💧 🌊

And you’ve said at least twice you love your husband and that nothing will ever come close to that.

And now, when the tide is against you, you state you are in a violent relationship.

Yep! This is quite the drip feed

mynameisbrian · 06/09/2021 19:41

oh dear what did i say that required deletion...think i mentioned not coming up with DV as an excuse after being berated for having an emotional affair

TossaCoinToYerWitcher · 06/09/2021 19:53

Okay OP, in light of your latest post I’ll address what you say you’re asking for: whether you and this guy are/can be friends. All I will say is that’s exactly what my ex said to me when I discovered her emotional affair. She swore she could keep it as a friendship. Asked me to trust her and have faith. Said asking her to stop seeing him would make things worse. Blamed my unwillingness to let her and the OM just be friends on the fact I caught her writing him a love letter.

So in the end I did trust her. Because a relationship with no trust is no relationship at all. And maybe she believed they could just be friends. But they didn’t stay friends. They started a physical affair. More fool me, I guess.

Point is, if you’re obsessing about each other you’re no longer friends. You’re both not behaving as friends. As as your relationship is so appalling there’s only one way this can go.

Please take action to steer yourself out of this mess in the best way you can - listen to the PPs and call Women’s Aid.

TossaCoinToYerWitcher · 06/09/2021 19:55

*Should be blamed me finding her writing the OM a love letter on my unwillingness to let them be friends

Onthedunes · 06/09/2021 22:19

You are remarkably brave if you think sexting with OM is a smart move if you are married to a violent aggressive man.

So you think this OM is your knight in shinning armour?

if you are in a DV situation you are risking the OM's safety, your own and at the same time you are abusing the OM's wife.

Why would you want to hurt her, she has done nothing to you and she also needs someone loving and attentative in her life, namely her husband your bestest friend.

Find the help you need through professional sources not old school friends, does he know how unpredictable your husband is, threatening to kill himself or you?

Christ this could be the next Raoul Moat situation and all your bothered about is can you remain friends.

Only you know the truth but all I know is that there is some poor wife out there that no one seems to give a shit about.

Catlover1970 · 06/09/2021 22:56

Time to grow up and think about your husband and family. This will never end well and this drama is all of your own making. Sorry but you sound really immature

lyntheyresexpeople · 06/09/2021 23:05

I obviously love my husband, we’ve built a family and a life together, and nothing will ever come close to that.

How did we go from that, to being trapped in an abusive marriage From 6 months after your wedding? Why didn't you mention your DH was abusive until everyone disagreed with you?
If he's abusing you, you really must find the strength to get your children away from him.
As for the other man - he's still married, so no, it's still not ok, even with the additional info.

Ginger1982 · 06/09/2021 23:13

@Chloedavis2020

Ok so this will be my final response, as I used a throw away email and will shortly be logging out. This post is just for all the people who quotes “my poor husband.” As I stated previously in my discussion I’m aware what I have done wrong, I don’t condone it. But as for my poor husband, I’ve been stuck in this domestically violent relationship since 6 months after our wedding day. You don’t think I’ve tried to leave a 100 times already, you don’t think I’ve told him I don’t want this anymore. He won’t let me leave. He says and I quote “if you ever leave I will kill you, or myself, we both aren’t getting out with marriage alive.” As I tried to explain earlier things really aren’t as black snd white as they seem. Yes I’m a terrible person, yes I sent a sexy photo to a married man, yeh I speak to him regularly. But he’s been the only friend I’ve ever really had lately, he’s the only one I’m comfortable enough with to tell my story, and the only person who knows anything about me. If he just wanted sex as you all seem to think, he’s had lots of opportunities when I’m been down, upset and vulnerable. I don’t beleive he will ever make a pass at me, is it so unrealistic to beleive we are actually friends? And he genuinely cares for me? I have stated we have got it wrong it The past, and if anything I admire him for not taking advantage whilst he could.

I came here looking for advice from someone who’s been in my shoes, not for people to comment who hasn’t been in anything remotely similar.

And before anyone else jumps on the bandwagon about how they know exactly what I should regarding my relationship, again unless u have been there I’m not interested. It sounds all too easy to just leave. I wish it was that simple. And also, if I did leave. I would not want to be with this friend, even if we was both single it’s not what I would want.

Uh huh.
Sakurami · 06/09/2021 23:16

You've completely changed your story op. Which is the truth?

Regardless of whether your husband is a good guy or an abusive guy, how is this flirtation and sexting helping either case?

If you're in an abusive marriage then seek professional help. Contact women's aid and start taking steps to leave him.

If you've made that up, then sort your marriage out or leave him.

Neither scenario fits in this player who you've been fantasizing about for years who isn't and has never been interested in you. No matter how you tey and squeeze that in. It isn't doing you any favours to frame him like that, you're just lying to yourself and harming yourself.

OrlandointheWilderness · 07/09/2021 08:33

You can't get advice from people who have been in your shoes if you aren't clear what they are like.
Leave the husband, avoid anything with the friend and maybe be on your own for a bit.

Morningsaregreat · 07/09/2021 08:53

You need to get away from both of them and find some space for yourself. There is absolutely no future with either of them and I feel sad for you OP that you find yourself in this situation.

Noshowwithoutpunch · 07/09/2021 09:04

You are being abused by your husband and exploited by this 'friend' who is basically playing with you for his own enjoyment and ego boost.
A real friend would support and help you escape your abusive marriage, help you plan to leave, not put you in extra danger messaging you, asking to meet up and getting flirty with you.
He's dangerous.

Bobmonkfish · 07/09/2021 09:05

This guy sounds as if he knows you have a soft spot for him and whenever his current woman dumps him he gets in touch for a bit of a thrill.

This.

My ex tried this once, after years, a syrprise "oh how are you" call that turned odd. I blocked him. I suggest you do the same OP.

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