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Married. But have a very close male friend, am I doing anything wrong? Ps. I know previous months have been bad, but can we maintain a friendship after and it stay as just that?

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Chloedavis2020 · 06/09/2021 12:23

So I have a friend, who’s the opposite sex to me. We are both married in serious relationships with children of a similar age. He’s someone I knew before my husband, and the only male I’ve ever been close to other than my husband. ( and in a way, I always felt more of a connection with this friend, than my husband.) that said, I obviously love my husband, we’ve built a family and a life together, and nothing will ever come close to that. I knew this friend at school, and we was very close. I always had feelings for him, though I never made them known. He was very much a jack the lad, and was in and out of relationships or one night stands with girls, he never made any moves towards me growing up and we just sat in the friend area for a long time. Although we didn’t do any thing sexually, I always felt close to him, and him me. We would talk for hours. Till early mornings, he would do things for me that he wouldn’t do for anyone else. Eventually at around 19 he slept with my best friend. It’s broke my heart to pieces as it came out of nowhere, they didn’t even speak beforehand, it seems so out the blue and I was shocked and hurt. I think this is when all true feelings I had came to the surface. I was angry and upset, and ignored him, he tried apologising, and from there we both drifted apart and got into new relationships, settled down, married and had children relatively young.

We didn’t speak for around 7 years, until one day he messaged on Instagram. I instantly felt that connection and closeness that was always there as soon as we spoke. We enjoyed catching up, and seeing how happy and well we had done for ourselves. Catching up on 7 years worth of gossip took awhile, and we even spoke of mutual friends we hadn’t seen for the same amount of years. After a few weeks when all the catching up was said and done, we stayed in contact from time to time. It was always him who would message, but I would usually reply. It was all innocent and time passing friendly conversation. Eventually after around a year of talking on and off We expressed how we often found ourselves thinking of the other when we were with our spouses, and it scared us a bit I think. My friend apologised and said he didn’t come back after all these years to try and mess up my life, and he we went from all my social media platforms. We didn’t end on an argument, but just said our goodbyes and wished each other well. I could let him leave easily. A whole year went by, and then he got in contact again. But this time, everything changed. It was like we went from 0-100 and before we knew it we was talking all day everyday, texting, phone calls and even the occasional meet up as friends. Things began to become a little flirty, and we touched on how we both felt sexual tensions. I don’t consider myself a horrible person, and I’m not sure when the lines got blurred, but photos and videos was exchanged in a sexual way. For a few months following this, things were messy. It kind of felt like the beginning of a new relationship, although we have never fully admitted how we feel about eachother, we still maintain we are friends only. I was going through a rough patch at this time, my relationship hasn’t been plain sailing and I’ve been on the receiving end of cheating in some kind of way a lot. It doesn’t justify what I’ve done, but gives some background.

We ended up alone together on a night out, and advances were made by us both, but I couldn’t go through with it and we went home. From then I felt embarrassed, that I had given the impression all these months it was what I wanted, to get it and not go through with it. He understood, he always understands me. I stopped speaking with him for 5 months after, as I decided enough was enough, as bad as it was, it was a wake up call. Not speaking and being in contact atall killed me everyday, I couldn’t let him go as easily as I did the first time and it hurt everyday. He took over my thoughts from morning to night, and I even dreamt about him when asleep. He had become my best friend. The person I was closest to in life, and it felt almost like grieving. 5 months later I finally caved, and asked his brother to tell him to contact me.

It’s been 6 months since we’ve been back in contact, and for me it feels the best, healthiest few months so far. Nothing of a sexual nature has been spoke about or exchanged, we don’t flirt and we don’t meet up. It really feels like the old schools days when it was a friendship only. We spoke alot about the past messy months. And I apologised for all the inappropriate things I said and done, I think at the time I was just a little lost in life, and he was my life line. I said there was a time I felt I had feelings in a romantic way, but feel they have all simmered down to care and compassion for a friend. He said he found this sad, but it’s good. He says he’s glad nothing happened with us. And that he values me too much to just have me as a one night stand. He says what we have is worth more than sex, and he’s just grateful he has me atall. He says we can never be more than friends, so if friends the best it’s going to be then he’s happy with that. He says if we did have sex, I would just think of him as a mistake, cuz that’s all it’ll be allowed to be and he doesn’t want to be that to me. He says he’s worried if something happened I would panic and cut him out of my life. He says he cares about me, and my family, and he doesn’t wanna mess anything up as he could never live with himself after destroying my family. Since then things have been platonic, we speak everyday alomost still, but about our children, partners, work, mutual friends, life in general. But he’s been asking to meet ALOT. A lot more than in the past. And I’ve refused everytime. I’m scared he now wants more? Or are we just friends. Is it safe to be friends once this has happened? I feel only friendly feelings now, but care deeply. Some days I just wanna hug and cuddle him, which is different from the sexual thoughts I once had. What does this all mean please? Please be kind. I never went out looking for any of this to happen. And I’ve never cheated, no even kissed another man in 15 years of marriage. I doubt my husband could say the same. And when I say he asks to meet, it’s as friends not in a hot sweaty hotel room. Thank you for taking the time to read and reply :)

OP posts:
Wellshellsbells · 06/09/2021 14:58

@Hekatestorch

Op, I think k you have romatisied this in a huge way.

How were you so close as teens, bit he didn't ever speak to your best friend.

You can't have been as close as you say you were AND have another best friend who barely knew eachother.

I suspect, then and now, (to him) you will always be the girl who wants him and massages his ego. Does everyone else know how close you both were? Or, as a suspect, was this a friendship that was just kept between you 2, so he could carry on being 'Jack the lad'.

And you are falling for it again. A relationship where you know eachother better than anyone else, he makes you feel alive etc all in secret. That's not going to go anywhere. He isn't going to leave his relationship, but he will shag you and revert to 'just friends' again.

How is he still not 'Jack the lad' now.

This is an affair. Advances were made. Setting has happened. You are investing in him emotionally.

If its not cheating and not a big deal, tell your husband. See if he thinks 'advances' and nudes photos are fine. You would be happy if he tells you he has been up to the same?

You don't love this man, it's a teenage crush that you never got over and you are letting him use you again. Bit she the shit hits the fan, it will be your life ots all splattered over.

Exactly this! I bet you’re not the only woman he’s cheated with during his marriage and I suspect he’s Saying what he needs to say to get you to sleep with him and keep massaging his ego.he’s using the friendship excuse to keep you hooked.
Hekatestorch · 06/09/2021 15:02

Op you love the drama.

You are acting like a teenager and not in a good 'live for the day way'.

Drama when you were younger, stolen glances across a crowded room, an issue in the bar causes you to flee into the evening and he follows you to comfort you.

You don't mind you husband stood comforting a woman he sent dick pics to? Kissing the top of her head and cuddling her?

No one believes that's all that's happened.

You aren't sexually attracted to him. But was setting him and talking about sexual tension.

So, he is manipulating you into these things, you didn't really want to do them? But did to keep his interest?

Chloedavis2020 · 06/09/2021 15:11

I’m not bothered whether you beleive me or not thank you :) I know nothing happened, and there has been plenty of opportunity for us to have sex if that’s what we wanted. And for the record, I’ve only slept with my husband. I wouldn’t be so easy into bed with anyone.

And to the lady above, I do feel like he has a positive impact on my life. Some days, other than my children he’s the only reason I smile. I feel safe and cared for around him, something I don’t feel so strongly around my husband. I would never leave, and never would want to but it hurts to think I can’t have him as a friend.

When I say I’m not attracted, I mean anyone. I feel purely friendship in recent months, and wouldn’t have any interest in exchanging photos now.

I don’t expect people to understand, it’s hard to put feelings and years of experiences into words, along with relationship current status and history.

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girlmom21 · 06/09/2021 15:18

I think you should leave your husband because regardless of what has or hasn't happened with this man you have no respect for him or your marriage.

You and this other man have and will never be just friends. You've crossed far too many lines.

beastlyslumber · 06/09/2021 15:25

This feels more of an addiction

Yes, that's how narcissists make you feel.

This is so toxic, OP. The only sane thing to do is to stop contact with this man and then decide what to do about your marriage. But you aren't sane at the moment, are you? He's got you in his clutches.

Sakurami · 06/09/2021 15:29

Yoube had a crush on this guy since forever and he gets off on keeping you dangling. He doesn't even actually want to go further with you because he knows that it would enter into dangerous territory of either losing you because he doesn't and has never wanted more, or having to go through the danger of you leaving your spouse for him which he doesn't want.

This man is no friend. He fully knows that you fancy him. If he was a friend he would steer clear or keep completely friendly and only contact you occasionally as is normal in most male/female friendships when you both have families.

Sort out your relationship with your husband one way or another. You can't decide if your relationship is good or bad whilst you're continually fantasizing about this idiot. And they are all fantasies. Because he is cheating on his wife just like you're cheating on your husband.

Hekatestorch · 06/09/2021 15:30

I’m not bothered whether you beleive me or not thank youI know nothing happened, and there has been plenty of opportunity for us to have sex if that’s what we wanted. And for the record, I’ve only slept with my husband. I wouldn’t be so easy into bed with anyone.

Of course you don't care if we believe you.
But that wasn't my point. Your husband won't believe you, especially because you are telling some many lies to him now.

Your kids, won't believe you. Even if they are young now, this could impact them wheb they are older. Your husband ands family and your own family, won't believe you.

amymorris01 · 06/09/2021 15:32

Reading your thread is like reading a mills and boon book.
If you have sex with him he will vanish. He is playing games with you and you are lapping it up.
Get your head out of the clouds and forget him. Focus on your husband and children you will be glad that you did.

VinylCafe · 06/09/2021 15:36

You call people who disagree with you haters? Fucking hell, you must be a teenager!

Loudestcat14 · 06/09/2021 15:40

I can’t justify the photos, they were wrong and I would never take part in that again, but life isn’t always as black and white.

If a husband trotted out such a lame line as justification for sexting another woman with pictures and videos, everyone would be clamouring to his wife to LTB. So do your DH a favour and end your marriage, because you clearly don't respect him or love him enough to stop seeing this "friend" on the side.

Yerdoinmanapperinwiyerpish · 06/09/2021 15:42

Jackaknackanory. Just as well I was sitting comfortably.

Please be kind.

I shrivel every time I see this on a cheating post.

Nope.

And you can go on about haters all ye like. That is your guilty conscience speaking. Louder than us haters…

And the ‘I don’t believe he wants sex from me’

It is WITH you. Not from you. Or on you. WITH.

You’ve been doing it wrong.

Yerdoinmanapperinwiyerpish · 06/09/2021 15:42

Oh and 🎣 🎣 🎣

Skyla2005 · 06/09/2021 15:44

You have to think if it would be ok if you had and was I. Exactly the same position. If you would t like it then there is your answer

Skyla2005 · 06/09/2021 15:45

Sorry that meant to be if your husband was in the same poison as you !

Teladi · 06/09/2021 15:48

I hope your username isn't your real name OP...

bamboocat · 06/09/2021 15:52

Married. But have a very close male friend, am I doing anything wrong?

Yes, you are. You are very deeply emotionally entangled with a man who is not your husband, and this relationship has been going on for a very long time.

Driftingblue · 06/09/2021 15:54

I’ve been happily married for many, many years … to my male best friend with whom I realized I was having an emotional affair with during my first marriage. Thankfully I figured this out before there were children involved. I would have ended my friendship if there were kids to think about.

If you are more excited to talk to your friend than your spouse it’s a problem. If you can’t tell your spouse everything about the time you spend with your friend, it’s a problem. If it feels strange if you all hang out together, you get the idea.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 06/09/2021 15:55

I don’t expect people to understand, it’s hard to put feelings and years of experiences into words, along with relationship current status and history.

It really isn't that unique a situation, you're massively romanticising it and making it a 'nobody understands our connection' thing 🙄

blacksax · 06/09/2021 15:56

Reminds me of what someone said once... something about there being three people in their marriage.

Three is one too many, OP.

Viviennemary · 06/09/2021 15:59

You both fancy each other and are quite enjoying all the angst and excitement that comes with a forbidden relationship. How it will end is anybodys guess.

Yerdoinmanapperinwiyerpish · 06/09/2021 16:01

How it will end is anybodys guess

Legs akimbo I’m guessing.

lifeissweet · 06/09/2021 16:06

So all of this happened 'by accident' in the way these thing always, apparently, do.

If you can accidentally send nude pictures, what's to stop you falling over and landing on his cock some time in the future? It's an accident. Just another accident. Whoops!

Accident prevention in this situation is to leave well alone and concentrate on making your marriage happier. This doesn't happen by mooning over some fantasy figure from your past (because that's what he is. This caring, understanding act is just that).

butterpuffed · 06/09/2021 16:38

You both like living dangerously. It'd soon wear off if you were together as there wouldn't be any secret excitement or drama.

lyntheyresexpeople · 06/09/2021 17:06

I'll keep it simple.
No you can't be friends. You are disrespecting the fuck out of your DH and his DW by continuing to have any contact whatsoever.
Stop it.

TossaCoinToYerWitcher · 06/09/2021 17:22

If he cared too much about your friendship to let sex get in the way, why the free pass on the sexy pics?

Things may not be “black and white” OP, but what constitutes decent behaviour is. We can argue till the cows come home whether you’re a good or bad person in this scenario. But what cannot be argued is your behaviour is severely lacking from a moral standpoint.

Leave your husband. It’ll be be kinder, trust me. My ex-wife did what your doing now. If it helps, it was her complete lack of taking any responsibility that damaged me more than the fact she wanted to f* someone else. The fact she was so desperate to avoid being judged and have nothing pinned on her, she just lied and lied and whoops! we’ve kissed and whoops! we’ve had sex even after she was swearing she wanted to save our marriage. Because amidst all this toxicity it was me who had to find the emotional wherewithal to terminate our marriage. And willingly assume the mantle of the “bad guy” for the sake of everyone’s mental health.

You want “be kind” OP? Take some responsibility for your actions. Don’t force other people to have mop up your shit because your just a “leaf blowing on the wind” subject to greater forces or whatever.

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