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Confidence disappeared with new ish man

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Yoppp · 10/08/2021 15:26

I’m feeling a bit lost and frankly embarrassed about my relationship and don’t feel I can talk to anyone IRL. I feel I need to set some context which maybe explains why I feel so embarrassed. I am very independent, work for a large company, have two of my own homes (mortgaged), work hard, have lots of friends, hobbies, interests. I’m making myself sound like some fantastic person…obviously I have plenty of flaws! Basically what I’m trying to say is I very much have my own life and independence and I wouldn’t really consider myself to be needy in relationships, in the past I’ve often been labelled as the opposite.

I met someone a year or so ago and really fell for him. He has a demanding job too and is often busy with work which suits me fine as I work late and need someone who understands that. But things have unfolded that have made me feel horribly insecure and I don’t know if I’ve suddenly become needy with age or something?! Or if this is a result of his actions or lack of. Examples:

It took him 8 months to tell his family he was seeing me. He would take calls while I was in the house with him staying for a few days, and he would gesture for me to be silent. I would then hear him talk about the weekend and no mention of us having done anything…not even saying the reality of what he’d done at the weekend in terms of the activity we’d done and omitting he was with me, but literally saying he’d not done much all weekend when we’d climbed snowdon or been to the lakes etc. He’s since told them about our relationship but says they never ask him about me or us as that’s just ‘not what they’re like.’ He only had a dad and very autistic brother so no mum around. Not sure if this is a man thing but it’s certainly not how my family are.

He still hasn’t told his friends or colleagues about me and claims this is because he doesn’t like talking about his private life to colleagues and that he wants to tell friends in person and he’s not seen any close friends the last few months (the first few months we were together he said he didn’t want to say until we were established as a couple - fair enough).

He doesn’t follow up with arrangements and the times I’ve decided I won’t bother asking what we will do this week/ weekend, I get a text from him last minute saying ‘are you still free this weekend?’ Like we are basically friends, not a couple? I’ve told him after almost a year and a half the assumption for me would be we see each other at least every weekend unless we are seeing friends or have other plans…we are mid and late 30s, not kids.

He asked me recently if I had any travel plans for summer, as if we wouldn’t be making plans together. He has no plans to go away and no interest in doing so, so it’s not as if he had a lads holiday booked and wanted to encourage me to do the same with my friends.

The times I have been to stay with him he will often cook a lovely meal with things I like, chat over dinner then disappear for 2 hours doing work. I have a hard job and I manage my time around the evenings I have with him and I cannot understand why he doesn’t do the same for me. If it was a one off I would get it but the last time it happened it was the day before we were about to have 2 weeks apart. Even then he couldn’t make the effort to spare a full evening.

When we are apart we do have phone calls sometimes but usually just get one or two texts from him in a day, very short, formal, almost like he’s used a precedent from his phone!! It’s like ‘hi x, hope you are very well…’ like he’s a stranger.

What confuses me is he has been adamant from the start that he wanted a serious relationship that was going somewhere. He said he’d never been with anyone longer than 6 months and he really wanted to have a long term relationship with someone and to have a family. I was clear I felt the same. Yet why do I feel like he has no interest in this?

I don’t want to be wined and dined and travelled everywhere all the time. I have my own money and friends for all that. But I feel like he is quite disrespectful towards us. I don’t understand him because when I bring it up he just says he knows we love each other and he wants the same things as me yet his actions don’t reflect this.

He can be very kind and understanding and caring and obviously those are the reasons I am with him. I just struggle with this and I feel much less confident than I ever have in other relationships. Can anyone relate? Am I being too harsh on him?

Also to be clear he’s never been involved with anyone, I’m not the OW and he’s not cheating as far as I’m aware. He’s just quite a solitary quiet person that I can’t always understand.

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Crikeyalmighty · 10/08/2021 15:36

Theresa reason OP he hasn’t had a relationship longer than 6 months and that is probably because most women wouldn’t put up with this— pretending you are a non person to his family/friends etc— that’s downright odd. Are you sure there isn’t something he’s hiding that’s not good ? Doesn’t have to be a current wife/girlfriend -

Yoppp · 10/08/2021 15:42

@Crikeyalmighty

Theresa reason OP he hasn’t had a relationship longer than 6 months and that is probably because most women wouldn’t put up with this— pretending you are a non person to his family/friends etc— that’s downright odd. Are you sure there isn’t something he’s hiding that’s not good ? Doesn’t have to be a current wife/girlfriend -
@Crikeyalmighty hi thanks for replying to my post. I don’t know if there’s something else he’s not hiding, I can’t think what that could be? He always seemed quite shy and reserved and has come out of his shell a lot. He seems to have friends but not like I do, I see mine a lot. I guess men can be a bit different to women in that way though.

He’s told his dad and brother about me now, they’ve known for a few months. They never ask about me and I suspect he doesn’t tell them much about what we’ve been doing. Not saying they need a day by day account but in my experience it’s usual to mention the odd thing you do with your partner to your family.

I feel so confused. He said the other day he had gone for a work meal and people were asking him about his family and I said oh did you mention you have a partner yet?! He said no.

I just don’t get it. If I ask he just says it’s got nothing to do with how he feels about me. I also don’t think he’s up to no good cheating wise as he always picks up the phone if I call. He never seems to be making other plans. It’s all just really odd and I feel so insecure, I’ve never felt this way before.

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SilverRoe · 10/08/2021 15:46

Tbh after your first paragraph about what you’re normally like I didn’t really need to read the rest (though I did!). If you’re reacting out of character around someone and it’s not normally an issue for you then you can bet it’s stuff the other person is doing!

He sounds like he has a really odd dating style. Disappearing off to do work while supposedly on a date with you is weird. Making you act like you’re a secret and not mentioning you for ages is weird. So is the rest.

‘ I don’t understand him because when I bring it up he just says he knows we love each other and he wants the same things as me yet his actions don’t reflect this.’ - To me this is a big no
no. He’s not really making much in the way of effort and frankly some of what he’s doing seems designed to engineer insecurity. Just claiming you love each other and that’s fine is a cop out especially since it appears he is getting you to slot in with his life and not make an effort to actually do activities and foster closeness with you.

SeaShoreGalore · 10/08/2021 15:48

This is why he hasn’t had a proper relationship. It is not you getting needy with age, it is you getting needy because you’re not getting what you [perfectly reasonably] want from a relationship. This won’t change. I’m afraid this is one of those cases where he would be perfect... if only he were different.

gamerchick · 10/08/2021 15:49

The very autistic brother always makes me wonder if siblings are also, diagnosed or not and which parent did it come from. Usually always a link when you're around it a lot.

However, this is him. He has you in a compartment in his life and it's unlikely anything will change OP.

You have a choice to make in any case.

Yoppp · 10/08/2021 15:51

@SilverRoe

Tbh after your first paragraph about what you’re normally like I didn’t really need to read the rest (though I did!). If you’re reacting out of character around someone and it’s not normally an issue for you then you can bet it’s stuff the other person is doing!

He sounds like he has a really odd dating style. Disappearing off to do work while supposedly on a date with you is weird. Making you act like you’re a secret and not mentioning you for ages is weird. So is the rest.

‘ I don’t understand him because when I bring it up he just says he knows we love each other and he wants the same things as me yet his actions don’t reflect this.’ - To me this is a big no
no. He’s not really making much in the way of effort and frankly some of what he’s doing seems designed to engineer insecurity. Just claiming you love each other and that’s fine is a cop out especially since it appears he is getting you to slot in with his life and not make an effort to actually do activities and foster closeness with you.

@SilverRoe I did probe into his dating history as I was surprised due to his age that he hasn’t had any long term. He just said things tended to fade out after a while. I can see why :( I actually do love the man. I’m finding it really damaging to my self esteem to stay with him though. It feels like he simply does not care.
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Yoppp · 10/08/2021 15:51

@SeaShoreGalore

This is why he hasn’t had a proper relationship. It is not you getting needy with age, it is you getting needy because you’re not getting what you [perfectly reasonably] want from a relationship. This won’t change. I’m afraid this is one of those cases where he would be perfect... if only he were different.
@SeaShoreGalore I’m so sad about it as I honestly thought I had met my one.
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Yoppp · 10/08/2021 15:52

@gamerchick

The very autistic brother always makes me wonder if siblings are also, diagnosed or not and which parent did it come from. Usually always a link when you're around it a lot.

However, this is him. He has you in a compartment in his life and it's unlikely anything will change OP.

You have a choice to make in any case.

@gamerchick I just don’t think I can face a break up. It seems like fading things out would be easy with him though so probably no need for a conversation
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dancealittleclosertome · 10/08/2021 15:53

If he has grown up without his mum, and just his dad and brother, then he might not have learnt how to relate to women very well. I think that's probably what is causing the mixed signals. Also autistic traits can sometimes run in families and if his brother is on the spectrum, then he may be a little too. He sounds like he loves you and does want the same things but just doesn't displsy that as you might expect.

Bookworm20 · 10/08/2021 15:57

It is extremely odd that he hasn't mentioned you to work collegues after all that time. If he is familiar enough with them that they go out for work meals and chat about life in general, then why on earth is he anonymising you?
This happened to me once and I think it was because he used to be very flirty in the office and liked the attention.
He too said it was because he wanted to keep his life private. He lived alone and no signs of a partner there, so I just figured he was indeed a private person.
He also kept me a secret from his family and friends in the beginning. Turns out there was a reason for me being anonymous for that period of time. I wouldn't allow myself to be minimised like that again. Don't know why I accepted it, but he was lovely otherwise, attentive etc.

I think in your situation I would be asking exactly why he feels he should keep you a secret? Why exactly it would be a problem with his work if they knew he was seeing you and tell him how that makes you feel really quite shit.
Also, have you met his family now?

Yoppp · 10/08/2021 15:58

@dancealittleclosertome

If he has grown up without his mum, and just his dad and brother, then he might not have learnt how to relate to women very well. I think that's probably what is causing the mixed signals. Also autistic traits can sometimes run in families and if his brother is on the spectrum, then he may be a little too. He sounds like he loves you and does want the same things but just doesn't displsy that as you might expect.
@dancealittleclosertome yes I think that could have had an impact on him. His dad and brother leave the house one day a week for a drive and one day a week to do a food shop. They have done this for the last 10 years apparently. DP obviously isn’t like this. I just can’t work him out sometimes when he seems to be being so cruel to me but clearly doesn’t get how or why something feels hurtful.
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Yoppp · 10/08/2021 16:00

@Bookworm20

It is extremely odd that he hasn't mentioned you to work collegues after all that time. If he is familiar enough with them that they go out for work meals and chat about life in general, then why on earth is he anonymising you? This happened to me once and I think it was because he used to be very flirty in the office and liked the attention. He too said it was because he wanted to keep his life private. He lived alone and no signs of a partner there, so I just figured he was indeed a private person. He also kept me a secret from his family and friends in the beginning. Turns out there was a reason for me being anonymous for that period of time. I wouldn't allow myself to be minimised like that again. Don't know why I accepted it, but he was lovely otherwise, attentive etc.

I think in your situation I would be asking exactly why he feels he should keep you a secret? Why exactly it would be a problem with his work if they knew he was seeing you and tell him how that makes you feel really quite shit.
Also, have you met his family now?

@Bookworm20 I would be absolutely amazed if he was known as the flirty one or liked the attention. He is so reserved and shy. I could be wrong of course, it takes all sorts doesn’t it…but that image just doesn’t ring true for me. I have no sense that it is anything like that but then it puzzles me even more to think that he wouldn’t say anything about me! He said there hasn’t been a time to mention it. I honestly cannot think of a reason. It makes me feel shit and then I feel angry at myself because why do I care if he’s not mentioned me. And the circles go round in my head.
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Dozer · 10/08/2021 16:01

Sounds like you put up with some ‘red flags’early on, and - understandably - dislike his behaviours.

Would walk away!

Yoppp · 10/08/2021 16:03

@Dozer

Sounds like you put up with some ‘red flags’early on, and - understandably - dislike his behaviours.

Would walk away!

@Dozer in the back of my mind I worry I am being demanding or controlling if I question him about not telling colleagues or not talking about me to family? I feel like I can’t say much about any of this stuff in the list in my OP as I don’t want to tell someone how to be or be some clingy nagging partner. I just feel so lost and it’s just not who I am. I’m so giving and confident in relationships and I’ve just never been met with this sort of thing before
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Misty9 · 10/08/2021 16:07

I would also question whether he is autistic like his brother (and parent?). He sounds a lot like my ex husband...who is autistic. I ended up feeling unseen and like I was disappearing. I'm afraid he won't change and this feeling you have will get worse Flowers

TeabagsGalore · 10/08/2021 16:08

I think you need to tell him specifically what you would like him to do and what you would like to happen, in a calm non confrontational way. He may share some asd traits within his family or be used to a more direct clear way of communication as his brother would find it harder to take 'hints' and work out how other people are feeling without a bit of scaffolding background explanation.

Yoppp · 10/08/2021 16:08

@Misty9

I would also question whether he is autistic like his brother (and parent?). He sounds a lot like my ex husband...who is autistic. I ended up feeling unseen and like I was disappearing. I'm afraid he won't change and this feeling you have will get worse Flowers
@Misty9 he can be very sensitive though and emotionally intelligent when he wants to be. I thought that was the exact opposite of autistic behaviours? I’m so confused and feel at such a low ebb about it all.
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Dozer · 10/08/2021 16:08

You’re doubting yourself. The issue isn’t that you’re any of those things, it’s that he’s behaving in ways that are unusual and that really don’t work for you, and are giving rise to upset.

DrMorbius · 10/08/2021 16:09

In my experience people tend to not mention people who are not important to them. Times that by 100 if they don't talk about you to their family.

Misty9 · 10/08/2021 16:10

Can you give an example?

Research is increasingly suggesting that autistic people are capable of empathy, it's just overwhelming for them.

Yoppp · 10/08/2021 16:10

@TeabagsGalore

I think you need to tell him specifically what you would like him to do and what you would like to happen, in a calm non confrontational way. He may share some asd traits within his family or be used to a more direct clear way of communication as his brother would find it harder to take 'hints' and work out how other people are feeling without a bit of scaffolding background explanation.
@TeabagsGalore the reason I came here to post was because I was thinking of telling him we either progress things and move in or it’s over. I think living together would make a lot of these insecurities disappear for me because that would be a clear action from him that shows he wants this to develop. I expect he will say he’s not sure and be vague and distant about this too though.
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gamerchick · 10/08/2021 16:11

@Misty9 he can be very sensitive though and emotionally intelligent when he wants to be. I thought that was the exact opposite of autistic behaviours?

No that's not true at all.

Sakurami · 10/08/2021 16:12

I don't know obviously, but I would suspect that he was on the spectrum and set in his ways. Possibly. Have you asked him to free his evenings when you've been there?

Try and have a frank conversation of how you would like things to be. Ie. To tell his colleagues about you. To free his evenings. To have it presumed that you're going to see each other at weekends and holidays unless otherwise arranged.

Yoppp · 10/08/2021 16:12

@Misty9

Can you give an example?

Research is increasingly suggesting that autistic people are capable of empathy, it's just overwhelming for them.

@Misty9 he will talk about a child crying in a restaurant and say oh he seems upset about x and it’s usually quite intuitive and like he’s really thought about how the child is feeling in that context. That probably sounds silly but it just is quite measured and analytical when he comments. Similarly he will say his brother is feeling x way and again it’s noticing if his brother is struggling and what he might need to cope better. He’s caring when I’m poorly, he’s lay on the bed with me before and held my hand for hours. Things like that.
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SixesAndEights · 10/08/2021 16:14

You seem to have accepted some red flags quite early on and are now wondering about even more of them.

He may well have "reasons" but you really don't need this hassle, and if these reasons are affecting his dating life, he needs to do something about them - not you!

Don't make excuses for his shitty behaviour. The last 12 months should have been the very best and wonderful of times, not leaving you wondering about yourself.

You need to get rid, not psychoanalyse him and accept more crap because he may be this or may be that.

Keep thinking how you used to be before you met him to spur you on. That's how you still should be with the right person.

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