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Confidence disappeared with new ish man

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Yoppp · 10/08/2021 15:26

I’m feeling a bit lost and frankly embarrassed about my relationship and don’t feel I can talk to anyone IRL. I feel I need to set some context which maybe explains why I feel so embarrassed. I am very independent, work for a large company, have two of my own homes (mortgaged), work hard, have lots of friends, hobbies, interests. I’m making myself sound like some fantastic person…obviously I have plenty of flaws! Basically what I’m trying to say is I very much have my own life and independence and I wouldn’t really consider myself to be needy in relationships, in the past I’ve often been labelled as the opposite.

I met someone a year or so ago and really fell for him. He has a demanding job too and is often busy with work which suits me fine as I work late and need someone who understands that. But things have unfolded that have made me feel horribly insecure and I don’t know if I’ve suddenly become needy with age or something?! Or if this is a result of his actions or lack of. Examples:

It took him 8 months to tell his family he was seeing me. He would take calls while I was in the house with him staying for a few days, and he would gesture for me to be silent. I would then hear him talk about the weekend and no mention of us having done anything…not even saying the reality of what he’d done at the weekend in terms of the activity we’d done and omitting he was with me, but literally saying he’d not done much all weekend when we’d climbed snowdon or been to the lakes etc. He’s since told them about our relationship but says they never ask him about me or us as that’s just ‘not what they’re like.’ He only had a dad and very autistic brother so no mum around. Not sure if this is a man thing but it’s certainly not how my family are.

He still hasn’t told his friends or colleagues about me and claims this is because he doesn’t like talking about his private life to colleagues and that he wants to tell friends in person and he’s not seen any close friends the last few months (the first few months we were together he said he didn’t want to say until we were established as a couple - fair enough).

He doesn’t follow up with arrangements and the times I’ve decided I won’t bother asking what we will do this week/ weekend, I get a text from him last minute saying ‘are you still free this weekend?’ Like we are basically friends, not a couple? I’ve told him after almost a year and a half the assumption for me would be we see each other at least every weekend unless we are seeing friends or have other plans…we are mid and late 30s, not kids.

He asked me recently if I had any travel plans for summer, as if we wouldn’t be making plans together. He has no plans to go away and no interest in doing so, so it’s not as if he had a lads holiday booked and wanted to encourage me to do the same with my friends.

The times I have been to stay with him he will often cook a lovely meal with things I like, chat over dinner then disappear for 2 hours doing work. I have a hard job and I manage my time around the evenings I have with him and I cannot understand why he doesn’t do the same for me. If it was a one off I would get it but the last time it happened it was the day before we were about to have 2 weeks apart. Even then he couldn’t make the effort to spare a full evening.

When we are apart we do have phone calls sometimes but usually just get one or two texts from him in a day, very short, formal, almost like he’s used a precedent from his phone!! It’s like ‘hi x, hope you are very well…’ like he’s a stranger.

What confuses me is he has been adamant from the start that he wanted a serious relationship that was going somewhere. He said he’d never been with anyone longer than 6 months and he really wanted to have a long term relationship with someone and to have a family. I was clear I felt the same. Yet why do I feel like he has no interest in this?

I don’t want to be wined and dined and travelled everywhere all the time. I have my own money and friends for all that. But I feel like he is quite disrespectful towards us. I don’t understand him because when I bring it up he just says he knows we love each other and he wants the same things as me yet his actions don’t reflect this.

He can be very kind and understanding and caring and obviously those are the reasons I am with him. I just struggle with this and I feel much less confident than I ever have in other relationships. Can anyone relate? Am I being too harsh on him?

Also to be clear he’s never been involved with anyone, I’m not the OW and he’s not cheating as far as I’m aware. He’s just quite a solitary quiet person that I can’t always understand.

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Recessed · 11/08/2021 11:33

You could analyse him and you for days but it's just not working is it OP? He's not going to change - my guess is he couldn't if he wanted to. He seems to have been brought up in rather unconventional/odd circumstances and that will have permeated. The relationship is damaging you, your self esteem is being eroded. It doesn't matter how much you want it to work, it's not working. I'd let him go.

ChaBishkoot · 11/08/2021 11:33

See I agree with the PP. If he’s not for you, then he’s not for you. If he’s making you happy intermittently then don’t do this to yourself. The other big difference is that DH is aware that he’s autistic and that I do make some adjustments for him (he makes many adjustments for me too). And he knows that if we don’t talk about stuff that he’s finding hard it all blows up. So he’s learned over the years to tell me stuff really honestly.

Please don’t change who you are or what you want in a relationship to be with him.

Lovelydiscusfish · 11/08/2021 11:40

I am sorry you are feeling like this.

From my own experience, my last LTR made me feel like this too. Not all the circumstances were the same, but still overall there was that feeling of never really knowing where I stood.

In the end he dumped me horribly several times, I kept going back to him because I had become a bit of a shell of who I used to be, till finally he did it so nastily that all my friends and family would have rugby tacklers me to the ground if I had tried to go back again.

I now see that that relationship did me a lot of damage. I am in a new one now and he’s lovely but it took me much longer than it should and a lot of coaxing to really learn to open up honestly and trust again.

Interestingly, quite recently I found out that my ex had not told any of his colleagues about me. And we were together 2 years, lived together for one of those…..

You deserve to be with someone who lets you know with their words AND deeds that they love you beyond measure….. x

SixesAndEights · 11/08/2021 11:47

But essentially there is no drive from him to progress or manage the relationship, it’s all left to me.

Some women will take this on, and even be happy to. It suits their personalities to do so.

You don't have to force yourself to because others do, or because you feel you ought to.

Can you accept being the driver in this relationship for the next 50 years? Will you be happy doing that?

I know that it's not for me because passivity is a huge turn off for me, in any kind of relationship.

Is it for you, that's the question.

HaggisBurger · 11/08/2021 12:09

@Yoppp

I almost wish I hadn’t mentioned his brother in my OP as I don’t think people would be suggesting autism without that comment?
@Yoppp I missed the comment about the brother and my mind had gone very first thought to potentially high functioning ASD. (It’s very unpopular on MN to “diagnose” someone but my son has diagnosed asd and my stbx husband is I think on the spectrum.

If you don’t have direct experience there are a lot of behaviours that seem contrary to popular opinion of autism- both my son and my ex have great senses of humour, can be kind and thoughtful (when it suits them tho).

For me what stood out in your post is:

  • rigidity in behaviour and routine
  • compartmentalising you
  • the texts that seem like they are template
  • lack of initiating plans / travel

To be honest, what he is it isn’t is neither here nor there. He isn’t meeting your needs and that’s making you feel rubbish (and not because you’re insecure by nature). You’ve asked for certain things to change - and they hadn’t. This is it. This is what he’s got to offer.

Someone else mentioned reading the thread about those married to partners with ASD. Have a good read and see if you think you
could have kids with someone who may have some of these traits. It can be so lonely let me tell you.

Good luck but don’t ignore the collective wisdom of @Misty9 and others who recognise certain behaviours x

Onelifeonly · 11/08/2021 12:26

I haven't RTWT but some of it and all your responses. Autistic tendencies ocurred to me straight away, but then a lot of people have some of the features and that doesn't necessarily mean he would get a diagnosis. Bring kind and empathetic are not ruled out by being autistic! Autistic people are all different! But being literal and not seeming bothered about missing you, could point to it.

My brother is possibly on the spectrum- he has never sought a diagnosis but totally understands he struggles with some things others don't, especially regarding relationships and coping with larger social groups. But he likes people and is very interested in others, he is kind and considerate but doesn't always notice when he should be those things, if that makes sense? He is also self absorbed and very attached to his routines and habits etc. (He is not in a relationship however, and hasn't been for a long time - hasn't sought one either.)

I wonder if your bf's self containment and seeming self confidence were part of what attracted you in the first place? Being pursued by an ever available man (as you have described) isn't necessarily attractive.

Only you can decide if you can accept him as he is. If not, then hard though it is, you'll have to leave.

Pissoff2020 · 11/08/2021 12:37

You deserve better OP, he won’t change.

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Elsielouise13 · 11/08/2021 15:10

@Yoppp

I almost wish I hadn’t mentioned his brother in my OP as I don’t think people would be suggesting autism without that comment?
I think the behaviours you describe would be enough to identify some degree of spectrum to be honest.

That doesn’t mean there is a problem, just may explain some aspects of your relationship.

Lots of good advice in comments above.

LatentPhase · 11/08/2021 15:53

OP are you secretly dating my brother (who
would self-describe as not being in a relationship Wink )? He sounds like my brother, to a tee.. he drives me bonkers. Every phone call is like a work call. Every text is like a work text. Extremely set in his ways. Pedestrian pace. Mono speed. Compartmentalises everything but work is his first love. I don’t think moving in will help. This man doesn’t sound like he’s for you.

Whattodoaboutnothing · 11/08/2021 16:01

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billy1966 · 11/08/2021 16:15

OP,

8 months of not mentioning you and shushing you.

Kindly, that would be enough for most women.

Your self esteem must be low that you would accept that.

I think you need to dump and work on yourself and get back out there.

You deserve so much better than this.
Flowers

DoingItMyself · 11/08/2021 16:34

Confused?

Not sure the link will work, but if it does, this.

AlbertBridge · 12/08/2021 15:54

I've always been pursued by men. And then I met my first DH, who didn't pursue me. Or did but in a really quite half-arsed way.

It was SO exciting, looking back, it was horrible and marrying him basically messed up my whole life, but at the time I couldn't get enough of the challenge.

I considered (many times) dumping him but always thought I'd be devastated. When we eventually divorced, I got over him in DAYS.

If you're infatuated you feel like it'll last forever but as soon as you're away from them it melts away.

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