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His response to moving in, please help!

87 replies

MySettyDay · 08/08/2021 13:35

Met someone last summer and fell head over heels. I’m mid 30s he’s 39. Quite a serious careful chap but with a great sense of humour. It’s our one year anniversary (if you even call it that!) next month. We currently live 60 miles apart but not a huge drive if that makes sense. We spend Friday/Saturday to Tuesday together so a reasonable chunk of the week. We said we loved each other a few months ago.

Frankly I was sick of driving back and forth. We both work long hours and the thought of carrying on packing a suitcase throughout winter was not appealing. Of course that’s not the main reason, the main reason is I miss him and want to progress the relationship.

It’s not possible for him to move because of proximity to his work. I suggested I move to him. Not a big move with furniture etc but base myself there and go back to mine to check on it every couple of weeks.

He was silent. He said he wasn’t sure. Said he loved me and wanted to be with me but he wasn’t sure about this and maybe it was too soon. My main worry is that he has zero relationship history, just a string of a few week encounters. We are happy together and speak often when apart. We spend most of our free time together. It doesn’t make sense to me for us to be travelling extensively as we are. We are also not that young and if we want a future then this hesitance doesn’t bode well? He claims he does want to see where things go but this reaction has surprised me. Any thoughts? I’m on the cusp of calling it a day :(

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dottydodah · 08/08/2021 16:37

I think after a year or so, surely the thought of moving in together wouldnt have been a complete shock to him. I think at pushing 40 he may be a bit set in his ways TBH ,and wonder if he really wants to settle down at all. You are mid 30s so not unheard of if you want DC to be making plans.I would have a chat and lay your cards on the table .

dottydodah · 08/08/2021 16:40

Just what is a Trust fund Baby?!

AcrossthePond55 · 08/08/2021 16:41

Why are you the one doing all the driving to and fro? Just because he lives close to his work and you can WFH (or his place) doesn't mean he shouldn't come to yours at least some of the time, even if it does mean a longer commute for him on the Monday morning or driving home late Sunday night. I think your relationship is 'out of balance'. He seems to have to put forth little effort to see you whilst you are putting in a great deal of effort to see him. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt and wore it to shreds. After about 6-7 months of being a 'commuter girlfriend' I decided he was what we used to call 'GU' (geographically undesirable) and I called time on things.

There's nothing 'wrong' with someone NOT not wanting to live with someone, yet still wanting to be in a relationship with them. It's about compatibility. If I were to become single I'd never want to cohabit again. But if I were to meet someone who felt the same way we might have a very good relationship. You don't have to live together to commit to a relationship, you just have to have similar desires and goals.

A year is long enough to be in a relationship to question where it may be going. You need to have a serious talk with him and lay your cards on the table. You need to insist he be honest and that if co-habiting isn't something he wants to do he needs to tell you.

amylou8 · 08/08/2021 16:43

I love my partner. I also love that we live 100 miles apart. I drive to his on Friday and go home Monday. I work from home and could quite easily relocate here. I don't want to. My situation is quite different though, in that I've been married and I've completed my family who are now young adults. It's still fairly early days in your relationship, but if you're looking for full time commitment and family, and he's shying away from that, it may be that you're not on the same page.

AcrossthePond55 · 08/08/2021 16:44

xPost re who's doing the driving. You doing 90% is unreasonable. And why should him driving to yours mean you see each other less? Unless of course he wouldn't make the extra effort it would take him to get to his work.

pinkyredrose · 08/08/2021 16:46

what puzzles me is why he would always say he wants to settle down

Don't pay too much heed to the things people say. Actions speak far louder. He could just be saying what you want to hear.

BishBashBoshBush · 08/08/2021 16:52

@AcrossthePond55

xPost re who's doing the driving. You doing 90% is unreasonable. And why should him driving to yours mean you see each other less? Unless of course he wouldn't make the extra effort it would take him to get to his work.
This with (alarm) bells on OP!
SmallChairs · 08/08/2021 16:59

@Suprima

He doesn’t want to live with you

Don’t worry about him initially saying he wants to settle down, look at what he has done. You have been together a year, doing a domestic thing for half the week and he has made no effort in moving things forward.

Now is the time to step back- don’t say ‘I want to live with someone and you aren’t ready’, a breezy ‘This relationship isn’t going where I want it to’ will require him to think and prioritise what you want. He might do a complete 180 when he realises what a dealbreaker this is for you. He also might not.

If not- I’m sorry he has wasted your time. You have a lot of PPs excusing this man because it’s ‘only been a year’ and they like their own spaces- but as you are mid thirties and the idea has been to settle down- he is being very cruel.

This, I think. What you say about him reminds me of an old friend whose relationship history looked very different to your boyfriend’s superficially, in that he’d had two longterm 8 year plus relationships. But these were LDRs and didn’t really require him to alter anything about his very ‘set’ ways, despite him saying he wanted marriage and children. In theory. In practice, he would freak out at the idea of going somewhere new for dinner, far less moving in with someone.

The first LDR partner left him (for a famous politician!) when it became belatedly clear to her he was never going to marry her, and he did this massive melodramatic rush to London to beg her to change her mind but was, I think, secretly relieved when she made it very clear she’d moved on.

He then replaced her with a second LDR and resisted all suggestions they move closer together, after which she left him too, seven or eight years in.

Finally, another longterm LDR girlfriend (he was now late 30s) who was an active, decisive type, proposed to him, found him a job closer to her home, bought them a joint house, organised the wedding etc — because absolutely none of this would have happened otherwise — and even then, he refused to live with her till they got back from honeymoon.

They’re now divorced. She got sick of his passivity, and he belatedly —after causing a lot of misery to their children — realised he’d never really wanted to be married with children, he just thought he was supposed to want it.

The whole thing is a horrible, cautionary tale about male passivity and going along with someone’s narrative for your life, and then blaming g them for ‘making you go it’.

cabingirl · 08/08/2021 17:16

I think you start with working out your own timeline and boundaries for yourself - separate from him. So you want to be married and start trying for a baby before you are 40? Work backwards with timings for that - you can potentially give the relationship another six months to a year to move on significantly.

If you can set that deadline in your head and get yourself into a mindset where you see yourself sticking to your boundary without blaming your boyfriend for not being in the same place as you, then you can discuss your needs with him.

You need to be able to do it in a calm way without apportioning blame - it's a calm "it is what it is" scenario.

"DP - I know that I want to get married and settle down with someone and start trying to have a family before I turn 40, so I feel as though if our relationship isn't moving to the next stage soon then it will be best for us to stop seeing each other so that I can start dating to find someone who does want to build that life with me. I won't be angry with you, I understand if that's not what you want - we can just part as friends - no blame"

It's what I did - I was in a long distance relationship for two years and asked my DP how long he saw us continuing on as we were. He said he was happy with how things were going and thought we could continue like this for 'years'. I said it wasn't going to be years for me - more like months.

DP asked me what my deadline was - I said the end of the year (it was January) he proposed in December. We didn't talk about it after the first conversation and I committed to a year of simply enjoying being together with a firm boundary that I was okay with sticking to if I had to. We ended up being really happy and still are.

BUT - I was completely serious and also had come to terms with the idea of needing to move on if he hadn't been ready. I was sad at the thought but had done the internal work to get to the point where I could put the longterm need/goal first.

CorianderBee · 08/08/2021 17:16

Yeah, honestly, I don't think he loves you. When men love you they make it VERY clear. He's lukewarm.

Shedbuilder · 08/08/2021 18:10

@litterbird what puzzles me is why he would always say he wants to settle down/this relationship was serious to him. That’s been his narrative from day 1!

I think you're relying too much on what he says. In the early days of a relationship people tend to say whatever will please or whatever they think is the acceptable thing. They say they have always wanted to be vegan/ love jazz/ want loads of children/ like cooking/ want to settle down/ want to take up running because they think that's what the other person wants to hear. They may even genuinely believe it at the time. Same with saying 'I love you.' You can say it till you're blue in the face but if you don't act in a loving, appreciative manner it counts for nothing.

You've taken him at his word and have done the running. You've been spending four nights a week with him for some time. So he knows what living together for the other three would involve if you were to move in full-time and he's saying no thanks. Which is probably quite brave of him, actually. I've known women give up tenancies and sell their homes to move in with partners, only to realise a few weeks later that it's all been a mistake.

He needs to woo you. He needs to make it abundantly clear that he really does want to marry and have children. I'd tell him this. The period of lip-service is over. Now it's deeds, not words. He's got to persuade you that he's worth hanging in there for, but if you're still not sure at Christmas move on.

billy1966 · 08/08/2021 20:24

Why would he want to change things?

You are doing all the running, 90% driving.
Far enough from him that he has space.

You are being played.

Great advice above.

Don't waster much more time or your are going to be VERY disappointed and pissed with yourself.
Flowers

butterry · 08/08/2021 20:37

It's really time to sit down and talk seriously about each other's expectations. You have invested a year into this relationship and for a woman you have to consider your fertility if you want to have a family.
At this point, it's not fair for him to ask for more time without being upfront and making sure you are thinking along the same lines for the future. Personally I would need to live with someone properly for a period of time before knowing whether or not I could spend a lifetime with them. I wish you luck

AgentJohnson · 08/08/2021 20:59

He may want all the things he says he wants with you but has another timeline in mind. Moving in with someone is a big deal and changes the relationship dynamic, he may want to enjoy the freedom of what you have now a while longer, without the mundanity.

Given his relationship history, moving in with someone after 12 months, when you haven’t done so before, represents a greater risk than to someone who has been there and done that.

Biologically, you and him aren’t on the same timetable and his lukewarm response s confirms this. Neither of you are wrong in feeling the way you do but you do have to decide if being with someone with a differing timetable is worth the risk.

cheeseismydownfall · 08/08/2021 22:42

How long ago did you have this conversation OP? I wouldn't necessarily write off a future together based on an initial reaction - perhaps it just took him by surprise and he needs to get his head around the idea. If he is still unenthusiastic a couple of weeks down the line, then I would start to reconsider things.

The thing that really jumped out from your posts though is the fact you have described him as "inflexible", coupled by his lack of relationship experience. Personally I think this is a huge red flag - raising children is the single most demanding thing most of us will ever do, and requires an almost endless amount of flexibility and a willingness to compromise on both sides. I really would not recommend having children with someone who struggles in this area, you will be miserable.

Dfdsdfds · 09/08/2021 08:55

Actions speak louder than words, OP. Given his relationship history my gut feeling is like yours. I think he’s a Peter Pan figure in denial about approaching middle age. He doesn’t want a partner living in or near him, as in his mind that’s too much commitment. It ties him down from having the theoretical freedom to end things in a non messy way if he changes his mind about you.

If you were both ten years younger I would totally say give it a bit more time. If you don’t want children you can still give it a little more time. If children are important to you can’t afford to waste time with this ditherer.

In your time apart from him why not get a head start by casting your eyes around for his replacement?

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 09/08/2021 10:18

Are you paying towards his costs each week? Perhaps he doesn’t want to shoulder the costs of another adult in the household whilst they maintain their own home elsewhere. I’d not be keen on doing that either.

MySettyDay · 09/08/2021 10:32

@Dfdsdfds

Actions speak louder than words, OP. Given his relationship history my gut feeling is like yours. I think he’s a Peter Pan figure in denial about approaching middle age. He doesn’t want a partner living in or near him, as in his mind that’s too much commitment. It ties him down from having the theoretical freedom to end things in a non messy way if he changes his mind about you.

If you were both ten years younger I would totally say give it a bit more time. If you don’t want children you can still give it a little more time. If children are important to you can’t afford to waste time with this ditherer.

In your time apart from him why not get a head start by casting your eyes around for his replacement?

@Dfdsdfds that’s my concern really! He’s not young. I do think he cares, often in contact, calls me back almost immediately if he doesn’t pick up initially, happy to talk about things. In some ways he is just very careful and thoughtful about things. But ultimately, if you can’t take a small step like this at 40 I have to question if it’s something he actually really wants. I am seeing him on Wednesday and I’m just not sure how to deal with this now. For me the relationship is on hold really if he doesn’t want to take this step. I can’t take it seriously and consider him a serious prospect. It’s rubbish as I love him.

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss without going into detail there is absolutely no reason for him to be thinking about money in this. For starters he is a high earner but I actually earn more, he knows very well that I’m happy to pay for whatever we may need as I’m lucky to be in a position where it doesn’t impact me much. I’m not a pushover with it but I cannot think for a moment that money is on his mind here. It would be easier if it was something like that.

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Withgasoliiiiine · 09/08/2021 10:35

You doing 90% of the travel was a bit of an eye opener. I know it's harder with his work etc but does he redress this balance in some way? I suppose doing so financially is not that relevant as you are both very comfortable so petrol money wouldn't make much difference to you. It seems like a real imbalance and whether he 'would' do more isn't the same as him actually doing more tbh.

longcoffeebreak · 09/08/2021 10:51

Hi OP you sound really sensible I'd say trust your gut feeling and see what he says but hold out for what you want.

MySettyDay · 09/08/2021 11:03

@Withgasoliiiiine

You doing 90% of the travel was a bit of an eye opener. I know it's harder with his work etc but does he redress this balance in some way? I suppose doing so financially is not that relevant as you are both very comfortable so petrol money wouldn't make much difference to you. It seems like a real imbalance and whether he 'would' do more isn't the same as him actually doing more tbh.
@Withgasoliiiiine if I asked for petrol contribution he’d do it no doubt. He will often pay for things and comment that I’ve travelled, ie a takeaway or meal or something. But like you say it would seem odd me asking for 15 quid for petrol, I’m lucky it’s not an issue and would feel uncomfortable raising that.
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MySettyDay · 09/08/2021 11:05

@longcoffeebreak

Hi OP you sound really sensible I'd say trust your gut feeling and see what he says but hold out for what you want.
@longcoffeebreak thanks that’s nice of you to say, I’m not sure I’m always that sensible, i guess you can only try. I want to be with him but I don’t want to have to drag him to live with me. It’s rubbish. Seems like such a simple thing if he’s as happy as he says he is and wants a future like he says he does
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Itsbeen84yearss · 09/08/2021 11:08

I wouldn’t want to move in with him if the long term goal is marriage. I’d stop travelling to him. You’re making it too easy for him. Once he has to do all the travelling he’ll either step up and propose or he’ll drop away in which case he wasn’t interested in the first place. At your age a year is long enough for him to decide.
My husband and I lived two hours away and he travelled up every weekend to see me when we were dating and then proposed after 6 months. I wouldn’t have agreed to living together. I’m not religious but I don’t do living with boyfriends

Supersimkin2 · 09/08/2021 11:14

Stop mentioning it except to say you’ll talk again in 6 weeks.

If there’s no joy after that, move on.

BIWI · 09/08/2021 11:15

I think that after a year of a relationship like this it's definitely not too soon for you to move in together/get married/have children - especially given your age.

I really don't see how this should come as a surprise to him!

Personally the next time you see him I think you should be having a very serious conversation about where this relationship is going - and get beyond him paying lip service to what you have said that you want from it.