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Abusive ex wants me to come on holiday with his family to facilitate contact

66 replies

LegendaryEndermam · 20/07/2021 00:06

This is really an AIBU but putting it here because I'd rather filter out the people who respond assuming that ex is a reasonable person.

Ex is an abusive arsehole who does not and never has respected any boundary and would not ever take no for an answer when we were together. He continues to try to push boundaries whenever he can and I have worked quite hard to be as low contact with him myself while still doing what is needed for the children's contact. He was physically, sexually and emotionally abusive when we were together and it was realising the negative effect of that on the dc which finally gave me the push to escape.

We have 4 children, the eldest is autistic and more often than not refuses to see his father. The younger children like to see him.

Ex has asked the children to visit with him and his family, staying in a hotel for a few days. I think it's unlikely that eldest will end up wanting to go, but he has expressed some interest in the holiday. Ex has said that eldest can only go if I also go. I said no. Ex says that he could stay in another hotel and I could have a room next door to the children in case eldest needs me. His mum will be going, as well as him, two of his sisters and another adult family friend, but ex keeps saying how his mum is elderly and frail and so it's not fair for me to refuse to facilitate eldest coming if he wants to, because she is too old to cope if eldest melts down.

The thing is - eldest doesn't cope well out of his routine, and does need me at night times. And the stuff they will be doing is not stuff he is likely to enjoy (he is quite a bit older than his younger siblings). So I have had doubts that he would actually go along or cope if he did, but I also don't want him to feel excluded if he does turn out to want to go.
But I just can't go and spend several days having to interact with ex at least several times per day.
I know that in a normal, amicable, split it might be good for the children to see their parents still co-operating and getting along doing things together, but in this case I really don't want to expose them to the interactions between me and ex which are almost always manipulative, controlling and or abusive on his side.

AIBU to say no I won't go on this holiday, even if that means ds1 also can't go? AIBU to feel like it's not my fault if ds1 can't go, when ex says he can only go if I go too?

OP posts:
Anniegetyourgun · 20/07/2021 00:17

May I be the first to say: HELL NO. You know better than anyone that ex is only setting these restrictive conditions so he can bully you some more.

Is there something else you could do with DS1 while the younger ones are away, so he gets a treat too but on a level he can be comfortable with?

Tippytaps · 20/07/2021 00:23

May I add a HELL NO!!

You risk putting yourself and your children in danger.

You risk him being able to use this holiday as evidence that you feel safe around him and what you said about his abuse was all lies.

How can you show your children what good co-parenting looks like with an abuser? How does that play out in reality?

HotSauceCommittee · 20/07/2021 00:25

No. It will be bait and switch, even if you did agree to this madness. He won't end up being in another hotel. He is abusive. Do not be reeled back in to HIS madness. What power would you have to just leave?
Bollocks to his mum as well. She brought up an abusive arse hole. Let's stop pretending that it is not outrageous and that we must "give" a little to these types. He will take a mile.

LtDansleg · 20/07/2021 00:32

Oh fuck no!!

ChocolateCookies123 · 20/07/2021 00:32

It would be a no from me. Is it really impossible for him to look after your eldest himself? How come you can manage but he can’t? He can do something else that’s special with your eldest at another time if he really can’t take him on holiday.

LtDansleg · 20/07/2021 00:33

The reasons are obvious so I won’t list them

DPotter · 20/07/2021 02:27

I'll vary the theme a little - Good God No. Trust your instincts

Nat6999 · 20/07/2021 02:35

This is one time when NO is a complete sentence.

Splann · 20/07/2021 02:39

No! Don’t let him manipulate you into it with comments about how his frail and elderly mum won’t cope. He’s trying to force your hand by emotionally blackmailing you.
Please don’t go!

Thack · 20/07/2021 02:45

Yanbu
Would he give up that time for you? It's your life, you could make plans with no or few children! A luxury he lives with.

Make it clear that it's HIS decision for your eldest to not go, it's not on you. Be clear but fair with the kids too.

Enjoy the time with one child and if it's not too much hassle then take your eldest for a day trip with them. You could be nearby to step in rather than interacting all day (as possible). Over to you if this is too much contact with this vile man. It would give you some higher ground to make a gesture.

Natty13 · 20/07/2021 02:52

Another hell no. I'd tell your ex that if he'd EVER respected a boundary you would at least 1% consider it, since he hasn't you will 0% consider that and the only blame is on himself.

Aquamarine1029 · 20/07/2021 02:59

He wants you to go so he can abuse and terrorise you all over again. FUCK NO.

Do NOT cave into this, op. Say no and tell him the conversation is over.

Mintjulia · 20/07/2021 03:04

No. He's still trying to manipulate you.

If he can't cope with his own child then that is very sad but not your fault or your responsibility. If he can't get up in the night that is not your responsibility either.

CoriCelesti · 20/07/2021 03:04

Another big FUCK NO here too. And Flowers for the stress he is causing you.

groovergirl · 20/07/2021 03:13

And it's an almighty HELL NO from me. Do you really want to waste another minute of your life on this man? And urgh, with his enablers and supporters all around him! I couldn't think of anything more awful.

Take your DS on a holiday to somewhere far from these people, with plenty of things for you both to enjoy in freedom.

twiggytwoo · 20/07/2021 03:17

No. You do not have to go on holiday with your ex under any circumstances.

MooseBeTimeForSummer · 20/07/2021 03:18

So how much if the care of the children would he actually do if you were there? It just same shit, different location for you.

timeisnotaline · 20/07/2021 03:25

Absolutely not. You say calmly it’s a shame you can’t arrange a holiday that you think will work for all of your children, but I can only compensate for your poor parenting on my own contact time.

BootsScootsAndToots · 20/07/2021 03:34

Absolutely not!

The nerve of him even to ask Angry

Do not give this man any power over you. Being in a different place, with him and his family only??

No! No! No!

QueenBee52 · 20/07/2021 03:46

Why are you even considering this ... read your own Post, and ask yourself again, if this is a reasonable request.

romdowa · 20/07/2021 04:07

God no! Please do not even consider this. Its your exs responsibility to ensure that any holiday is suitable for all his children.

EccentricaGalumbits · 20/07/2021 04:07

You did the right thing saying no. No need to feel a shred of guilt about it.

Any small disappointment your eldest may feels is outweighed 1000% by the brilliant job you've done of being his mum, getting him away from the daily influence of that arsehole and creating a safe home for him to grow up in Flowers

QueenBee52 · 20/07/2021 05:37

You did the right thing saying no. No need to feel a shred of guilt about it.

Darn right... spot on 🎉

MysweetAudrina · 20/07/2021 05:53

Might be easier on ds if you could do something that you know he would enjoy while it is just you and him and the others go with their Dad.

olympicsrock · 20/07/2021 06:07

Nope .