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Would you feel the same or am I being needy raising this?

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JacketPotas · 04/07/2021 09:53

I’m shit at expressing my needs in relationships. I tend to keep quiet and make sure the man is happy and will often put myself out for them etc. I’ve been working on all this in therapy.

Me and new man been seeing each other since last winter. I’m nearly 36 and we’ve talked about marriage and kids, as in that’s the aim if we carry on seeing each other. We’ve not put a timeframe on anything.

The other day I decided to discuss the topic of moving in. I said after a year or so I would want to think about us living together. He said he would feel the same but it would depend on his job as he’d want to be able to offer someone something settled. His job goes from contract to contract throughout the uk and it is nearly impossible to get a permanent contract, which is his aim. I said well I don’t think the job is relevant because I work from home mostly which means we could be flexible about where we live. I also said I don’t want to be waiting for him to find a permanent job before we live together, as that could go on for years and years. He just said that he wanted to know where we could be and that he didn’t know yet where he would be in the next six months. At this point (we’d both had drinks) I was upset and confused and just said let’s leave the topic for now, he said he missed me and we went off the phone.

I’m seeing him tomorrow and feel like I don’t know how to address this? Am I being unreasonable by wanting to discuss it again? Am I causing unnecessary drama? I feel weird that he would say this about work and as if our relationship sort of depends on his job?! Also, if he was to get a contract Mike’s away, for me that’s even more reason to move in. Don’t know if it’s relevant but DP is diagnosed with being on the spectrum. He’s extremely high functioning though. Usually when we have a direct chat we get to the bottom of things but this has thrown me a bit. Would you feel the same?

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JacketPotas · 04/07/2021 12:23

@Sssloou

What’s his relationship history?

How many people has he committed to living with before and why did those relationships end?

Past behaviour is a good prediction of future behaviour.

@Sssloou I’m his first beyond 6 months apparently. Last relationship was about 5 years ago. He does say he’s inexperienced and is trying...
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Ilady · 04/07/2021 12:23

I know your 36 and want to have a family. You feel that by now he should be talking about moving in together but he wants to wait until he has a permanent job. A permanent job means that he is working for X and living in y then. In another few months has current work contract is up so why don't you both look online and see what permanent jobs are available in his work area?
Just say X why don't we start looking online now for a permanent job for you as it could take a while to get one.
I know you said that you can work from home but if you have a baby with him you can't be moving every 12 months due to his work. You want to be near good child care and schools.
I also think that because of your age you might be rushing things to have a baby. You need to know someone well before having a child with them. I have seen good relationships tested once a baby/child came along.
You don't want to rush into having a baby and then a few years later end up on your own because things did not work out between you.
I would also be aware that if he has asd that your child maybe the same. As one of the posters said here that asd can effect people differently. I would read up on asd and be aware of any potential problems if you were to have a child in the future with him.

JacketPotas · 04/07/2021 12:25

@SpiderInTheBathroom @SpiderInTheBathroom thanks for the insight. The not wanting to let people down and the lack of being able to plan too far ahead is very much the case with him. I just struggle to understand it as it feels like he’s not interested, yet in other ways he’s very keen.

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JacketPotas · 04/07/2021 12:26

@Ilady thanks. There are no permanent jobs quite literally in his industry at the moment. Unlikely to be in 6 months either...

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Bluntness100 · 04/07/2021 12:52

Honestly if you keep bringing this up you’re going to kill the relationship. Why can’t you accept he’s just not ready to make that commitment to you yet becayse it’s still a relatively new relationship ? He’s basically told you he’s not ready yet, Accept it snd try to calm down. If it’s meant to be it will be, hassling him and constantly raising it is just going to damage this irreparably.

AtrociousCircumstance · 04/07/2021 13:06

If it’s nearly impossible for him to find permanent work, and he’s saying he must have permanent work before you progress your relationship in any significant way, then he is saying very clearly that a future together as you want it is nearly impossible.

They are shit odds OP, no wonder you feel upset.

He however will probably be happy pootling along as you are for an indeterminate period of time.

Tough decision for you as you love him, but maybe part of that love is feeling loved, secure, wanted, stable - and security and stability are sliding off the menu.

Howshouldibehave · 04/07/2021 13:16

What’s his housing situation at the moment? Is he worried about giving that up quite soon into a relationship?

JacketPotas · 04/07/2021 13:17

@AtrociousCircumstance yes that’s exactly it. If he’d said he didn’t foresee that in the next year then that’s one thing. Saying yes to it but including random contingencies that actually are easily overcome, seems insincere.

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JacketPotas · 04/07/2021 13:17

@Howshouldibehave he’s renting. We would rent not buy together

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warmfluffytowels · 04/07/2021 13:21

He's made it clear that he's not ready to think about living together at this stage, so you have two choices:

  • stay with him and see how things develop over the next 6-12 months, giving yourself a deadline where you'll say "I'm not waiting anymore". But you run the risk of falling deeper in love and being less willing to give up on him with this option.
  • leave him and find someone else whose lifestyle and wants in a relationship line up with yours.
SpiderInTheBathroom · 04/07/2021 13:44

[quote JacketPotas]@SpiderInTheBathroom @SpiderInTheBathroom thanks for the insight. The not wanting to let people down and the lack of being able to plan too far ahead is very much the case with him. I just struggle to understand it as it feels like he’s not interested, yet in other ways he’s very keen.[/quote]
Of course you struggle to understand it. You're NT. Your brain works in a completely different way.

But he can't understand it or think about it like you think about it either.

It's not that he is being unfair or unkind or selfish. He just isn't able to do what you want him to and forcing him will cause him mental and emotional distress.

Imagine you can't speak Italian. Someone important to you is speaking Italian to you. You can't understand what they are saying. You might pick up the odd word you recognise but you don't understand it. It doesn't matter how loudly or slowly they speak to you; how upset/frustrated they get because you don't understand them; how kindly or sympathetically they look at you - you just don't understand them.

Now imagine that they are saying that it's you being unwilling to listen to them or if you only listened harder you'd understand. If only you tried to understand them. If only you could see how important what they were trying to say to you was.

You not understanding them is not willful on your part; it's equally frustrating to you that you don't understand. You're trying really hard. You're focusing on the words they are saying and might even be able to say a few back to them. But you just don't understand what they're saying. You sense their frustration but are equally frustrated because, if they were able to say exactly the same thing in Ebglish, you understand them perfectly well so the barrier in communication is just as much theirs as it is yours. But they really want you to understand what they are saying and you're just not and its really important to them. And it's tiring trying to concentrate and pick up words you might recognise and and work out the context from that...

That's how it can be when you're autistic and NT people are trying to say things that make perfect sense to them but don't make any sense to you.

This is the best way I've found of explaining it to NT people.

It's notbthat he's not keen it's just that you're expecting his brain to work like yours and it doesn't. And you want him to want what you do, in the same way that you do and he doesn't.

Other people's suggestions of how you can approach it are well intentioned but won't work either. They might work with an NT man but are unlikely to work with him.

Ultimately, you have to decide whether it's a risk you're willing to take. If he gets a permanent job, you can proceed with moving in together, if he doesn't, we'll, it would be very unusual for him to change his mind.

MzMaria · 04/07/2021 14:06

Rather than taking it personally, you should try to think about it more practically. If he's concerned about moving you and his future family all around the shop because he doesn't have stability, you need to show him how you will have that stability. How are you going to be as nimble as he is moving all over? How are you going to move during pregnancy or with young children? How will you make new friends in each new area etc. How will you not hold periods of isolation/loneliness in a new area against him? If you can talk through these concerns logically rather than being all emotion and 'I love you let's live together whatever' about it, then you might be able to make the argument that his job shouldn't affect you living together. You cant just force someone to do something because you think their concerns aren't as important as what you want, and saying that you'll see other people / start online dating because he wants to provide a stable home for you and his future family is pretty mean.

IhateeverythingaboutMN · 04/07/2021 14:10

[quote JacketPotas]@Chikapu seeing each other since November. I don’t see why his employment is relevant... why would the dictate whether we move in, when I work from home?

He seems to have a similar outlook to you, I’d be really interested to understand your view better please![/quote]
It's very relevant when you have kids together, he doesn't have a contract and you are having to work your arse off and look after the kids to keep the roof over your heads. Or the kids are settled in school and he has to move from one end of the country to another.

I think you are blinded by your desire to settle down and have kids, you can't see the reality of the situation.

JacketPotas · 04/07/2021 14:20

Those mentioning money, without meaning to sound like a dick, I have no money worries whatsoever. I don’t need to work but I enjoy it so I do. DP doesn’t know how much I have. Maybe telling him would help with the stability @MzMaria ?

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LemonTT · 04/07/2021 14:25

@JacketPotas

Those mentioning money, without meaning to sound like a dick, I have no money worries whatsoever. I don’t need to work but I enjoy it so I do. DP doesn’t know how much I have. Maybe telling him would help with the stability *@MzMaria* ?
What would be the point in playing a game to see if he can be bought. Just accept his answer. If you need commitment sooner than he is willing to give then find someone else.
Bluntness100 · 04/07/2021 14:28

@JacketPotas

Those mentioning money, without meaning to sound like a dick, I have no money worries whatsoever. I don’t need to work but I enjoy it so I do. DP doesn’t know how much I have. Maybe telling him would help with the stability *@MzMaria* ?
What like some sort of bribe? It’s going to want to make him be secure even more, unless he’s a cock lodger.
Aprilx · 04/07/2021 15:01

[quote JacketPotas]@layladomino yeah I could do. Maybe that’s better. I don’t know whether to leave it a day or so before bringing it up? Staying with him from tomorrow to Thursday.[/quote]
I don’t think there was anything wrong with having the conversation you had seven or eight months in, I think setting some kind of expectations for the future is a good thing.

But I am struggling to understand what is the point in having the same conversation again in a day or two. He already told you yesterday where his head is, he wants to get work sorted first, that is a valid position for him to take. Nothing is going to have changed by Tuesday.

It feels a bit like you want to sabotage this relationship, I mean with your comments about going back to online dating for example. Personally I think you should leave the moving in conversations for now and let the relationship develop naturally for another six months or so.

Iggi999 · 04/07/2021 15:07

You would not be the first or last woman in your later 30s who spends years with a man who does not commit to having dc. I know you are not at this stage yet with him, but think if you fast forwarded five years - would you be happy to be with him, maybe living together but no children? And if not you need to crack on with your own plans, after you find out where he stands.

Bluntness100 · 04/07/2021 15:28

And if not you need to crack on with your own plans, after you find out where he stands

She knows where he stands and where he stands is a very common position, most folks are not willing to commit after a few months.

Kissimirri · 04/07/2021 18:15

I have an inkling that this guy is in academia. Is he a postdoc? If I’m right then he is unlikely to be a good bet for a stable LTR unless he is willing to look only for permanent posts in a specified area suitable for you both, or to leave academia altogether. Speaking from my own experience. I have found guys of 30+ who are not yet settled in a career to be extremely flighty. Sorry if I’m way off base and he works in another field but I think the sentiment applies regardless. Seems like his focus is on the career and not yet on settling down.

Sssloou · 04/07/2021 18:44

[quote JacketPotas]@Paddling654 we’ve said we love each other. I really love him. We spend Saturday to Wednesday together at the moment. There’s no issues in the same place, we get on fine. I don’t think I can stay with him though if the development of our relationship depends on his job, when in reality, it doesn’t have to be like that.[/quote]
How long have you had this arrangement (assume this to mean that you live together 5 days out of 7)?

Is it just the issue of staying over the additional Thurs and Fri - that you want him to verbally commit to now but will happen between Nov and March?

Maybe he needs this space due to his ASD (ie Thurs and Fri) and needs/wants the time to reach his decision after 15 months rather than now?

Or do you want to make it official that you are living together?

Naunet · 04/07/2021 20:55

I’m shit at expressing my needs in relationships. I tend to keep quiet and make sure the man is happy and will often put myself out for them etc. I’ve been working on all this in therapy

OP, I may be way off, but this stuck out to me. Is this maybe the first time you’ve stated/asked for what you want in a relationship? The first time you’ve asked for your needs/wants to be met?

If so, I imagine that must have made you feel very vulnerable, and if so there may be some self protection going on here. If you don’t normally put your needs first because you’re scared of the rejection, then to put yourself out there like this is a big risk. You may have mentally prepped yourself for a no, and therefore we’re a little sensitive to a less then 100% positive response.

I think it would be helpful to take a small step back. He’s his own person, he has his own concerns and worries, and it’s reasonable for him to voice that, it’s good communication. It’s not a rejection of you, he’s taking your question seriously and weighing up the good and bad possibilities. Equally, you need to keep yourself on track, feel confident in voicing what you want, and continue to think about what your needs are, whilst understanding that he has needs of his own. Find what you can and can’t compromise on.

Naunet · 04/07/2021 21:00

To add, I’d resist bringing it up again for now. I think the conversation is likely to get too intense because it’s left you emotionally vulnerable and on tenterhooks. It’s natural that you want to resolve it so that you can deal with the anxiety, but I think it would be better to wait until you feel a little more calm.

MarkRuffaloCrumble · 04/07/2021 21:11

@AtrociousCircumstance

If it’s nearly impossible for him to find permanent work, and he’s saying he must have permanent work before you progress your relationship in any significant way, then he is saying very clearly that a future together as you want it is nearly impossible.

They are shit odds OP, no wonder you feel upset.

He however will probably be happy pootling along as you are for an indeterminate period of time.

Tough decision for you as you love him, but maybe part of that love is feeling loved, secure, wanted, stable - and security and stability are sliding off the menu.

That’s how I see it too.

At your age there is a sense of urgency - like it or not - to plan for a family. And it doesn’t feel like he’s the right one for planning ahead. At least you’re not worrying about getting married first or saving for a house deposit etc as that would be yet more stumbling blocks.

I’d have a serious conversation with him and say that you need to think about your future as you don’t have the luxury of “wait and see” when it comes to your fertility. If he can’t commit then it might be an idea to continue dating other people until he does know what he wants. If nothing else the prospect of that might focus his mind on whether or not this is something he really wants.

ASD or NT, 8 months is long enough to know if someone ISN’T the one, even if you’re not 100% they ARE the one, so if you’re not front and centre of his future plans he needs to say so now.

AgentJohnson · 04/07/2021 21:52

He either wants to give things a go or he doesn’t... 15 months into a relationship at 40 would seem significant enough to me to know.

But it’s 8 months not 15 and you say he’s rigid in his thinking, which explains why he seems attached to a permanent contract. It sounds like you want to progress a relationship with a man who, despite what he says, isn’t on the same wavelength as you. I suspect your biological clock is encouraging you to fast track a relationship with someone who isn’t ready for it.

Do you really want to move in with someone who clearly isn’t that good at communicating, telling someone what they want to hear as opposed to telling them the truth, is such a waste of everybody’s time.