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So disappointed with DH

95 replies

Sonone · 24/06/2021 05:54

It's been like this for so long, I've tried talking to him, getting him to engage and it's all ignored.

My DH seems to be emotionally extremely lazy.

For example he never ever organises things with friends, unless I tell him too. An example a friend who lives close by was diagnosed with a serious life limiting illness, he's become disabled and has had to give up work. My DH work pattern means that he could go and visit easily during the day whilst the friend is home alone. He'd not organised anything (never ever does), I told him how I thought he should go and spend sometime with his friend. Just the two of them. He did it, both enjoyed, his friend said how great to have a visitor during the day, would love to do it again. DH never done it since (not due to Covid, it was before then). The friend can't drive now, so he's restricted with buses etc. His DW drives but works FT.

He never makes contact with friends, few now bother with him. I'm the one that people contact about meet ups, so my friends tend to be our friends now.

We have two DC, they are adult, I swear if I didn't arrange meet ups/invites etc he just would not bother. He only rings to talk to them if I tell him, he'll do it once and that's it! Consequently, any time they contact us, they contact me. Which is fine, but very sad.

DS is going through an extremely difficult patch, really bad, no job, relationship breakdown. I contact him everyday to make sure he's ok, have a chat etc.

DH has not contacted him once. I really think DS could do with hearing from his dad but no, as I've not told him to call he won't think of it.

I've got to the point where I'm emotionally drained as all through our relationship I've taken the caring and emotional role. I don't even tell him now about DS, my sister asked in front of DH how our son was and I was telling her. It of course as news also to DH as I'd not discussed my latest contact. He then says "you never said". No I didn't, you never ask, you never call him, you never listen to DS. If you're genuinely interested, show it!

He never organises anything (aside from we will have a row and I'll say I do all organising, entertainment, thinking about life stuff). He will then organise one thing and then it stops again.

I'm so worried about DS, I'm not sleeping, I'm stressed, I need some emotional support as does DS. He's had an awful time this week and DH has not contacted him once.

If DH would just arrange to meet DS, maybe have a drink and a chat and give him some time. He will gladly come along when I organise a meet, but never takes the lead.

I'm sick of him hiding behind me, he's so emotionally lazy, gets up goes to work, comes home and does the practical stuff but never the emotional stuff.

I feel DS and me are totally unsupported by DH, he just lives his life in his bubble.

I'm brewing to say something again, but it only works for the short term, so what's the point.

I feel so strongly about this, I'm considering a split, just to give me some time to think about what he's offering emotionally in our marriage.

OP posts:
Funfortheroad · 24/06/2021 10:29

OP, I don't know about your husband, but can I just say that with regards to your DS, you sound like my mum. Be really careful about 'supporting' him at the expense of your own mental health. Your DS is an adult and needs to get a job, deal with his relationship breakdown like everyone else. Yes of course you can love him and support him, but to be so stressed out by HIS life that you're not sleeping is not healthy.

TheTuesdayPringle · 24/06/2021 11:00

@Funfortheroad

OP, I don't know about your husband, but can I just say that with regards to your DS, you sound like my mum. Be really careful about 'supporting' him at the expense of your own mental health. Your DS is an adult and needs to get a job, deal with his relationship breakdown like everyone else. Yes of course you can love him and support him, but to be so stressed out by HIS life that you're not sleeping is not healthy.
I agree with this.

People get sick, fall in and put of relationships and jobs, it's all part of life.

It is very painful to see our children hurting but your role as a parent is to be supportive, not to save them. They can only learn to attend to their well-being, relationships and employment by getting on and doing it. We teach them what we can as they grow up and then it's up to them.

You do sound like someone whose need to be needed is harmful - for you and your family. Step back so that others have the space to step up.

Aprilx · 24/06/2021 11:28

[quote Sonone]@Roblox01 how am I controlling? [/quote]
Trying to make him see friends? If he doesn’t want to see friends what business is it of yours? Some people are loners and you seem to be trying to change who he is.

Yes of course he should take more interest in his son.

Secur1tyF0rm · 24/06/2021 11:45

It sounds like you are stressing over problems that are not yours
Take a break
Take some time out

It is your DH choice to not contact his children or friends
But in the future if he needs help, who will he call ?

Loudestcat14 · 24/06/2021 11:52

OP, you mention when the builder is at the house that your DH makes cups of tea. While it's a small example in the scheme of things, it makes me wonder if your DH is a very practical person? My OH is one of those – he's a doer, rather than a thinker. And yes, it has caused conflict when it comes to him calling his mother or arranging to catch up with friends – anything that involves picking up the phone, basically he just doesn't think to do and has to be reminded/cajoled/nagged. I've learned, over the years, to use it to my advantage though – I crack on with our mental admin, organising stuff, and he does the practical stuff we need doing to make our household run smoothly, like taking out the rubbish before the bin men come, doing all the gardening, doing all the laundry etc, doing all the DIY. Little things that when added up would add to my load considerably if I had to think about them as well. Anyhow, I was wondering, based on what you've said, if your DH is the same?

mellicauli · 24/06/2021 12:14

So when your son has a bad time, you behave how you would want others to treat you: sympathy. contact, hugs, talk it through and try to cheer him up.

But your husband behaves how he would want others to treat him: give them space to process the hurt alone, grieve and talk to them if they want & when they are ready.

So you're an extrovert who gets strength from being with people. He's an introvert who finds they need to retreat after spending time with people.

There's plenty of space in this world for both of you but it's unrealistic to expect either of you to change. Maybe counselling could help you understand each other's motivation better?

In the meantime, in supporting your son: Is he more like you or more like your husband?

I do get the impression that you are experiencing a lot of stress and projecting it on to him. How much is it is the situation and how much is really him? If you left, I think you would just move from poor levels of emotional support to zero emotional support.

PiccalilliChilli · 24/06/2021 12:26

Sounds like my Dad. He and my DM have been married almost 50 years. My mum is the joiner and the friend-maker, and my dad just tags along. Mum organises their holidays, their social life, and family gatherings whereas Dad isn't bothered by any of it.

I am like my dad! Grin

Tombstone81 · 24/06/2021 13:23

He isn’t going to change after this long. A lot of men are like this I think, particularly with their own kids. Women dread their kids leaving home and going to UNI etc whereas men can’t wait! I know that’s a generalisation but it’s true in my circle of friends. I think once a kid hits 18, men think it’s job done.

PussInBin20 · 24/06/2021 13:50

Well I guess you have put up with this behaviour for 25 yrs so he’s not likely to change now.

I know you have mentioned it before to him but I guess he can’t change his personality.

I would give him a time period to step up or say you will leave. I do think it will be hard though - he’s used to you doing it all.

You can’t do much about his lack of contact with your DS/friends. It is sad and frustrating but he’s obviously not that bothered.

MihaelaCW · 24/06/2021 14:36

I feel for you op. I've been doing almost everything around the house. All my husband has energy for it organising trips to pursue his own hobby (without me) and finding increasingly shameful internet porn every day. I'm going to leave him in a couple of months.

Northernparent68 · 24/06/2021 20:37

Does your son really want to talk to you every day ?

MsMeNz · 24/06/2021 20:45

He sounds depressed and detached. Has he saught help? I imagine he might not be the type though

TheNinny · 24/06/2021 20:52

Mine is a bit like this but I gave up ages ago trying to police his friendships. One of the ushers in his wedding he has barely seen since. I used to suggest giving him a call or meeting up and be met with pica yeah ,abbé sort of thing. Tbf the friendship revolved around a shared hobby that he took a step back from, and I think feelings awkward meeting up if not doing it etc. But he’s like this with his brother and family too. He will go see his parents and grandparents when he’s off though (though lately I have reminded him to stop in when off). I just stopped arranging stuff with his side or friends etc so he has been a bit better.

TheNinny · 24/06/2021 20:53

No idea where that line came from - and be met with a yeah, maybe sort of thing lol

OverTheRubicon · 24/06/2021 21:04

@Roblox01

Sounds like there's some unhealthy dynamics in your relationship. He's become lazy and complacent but you also sound quite controlling.
My dad is like the OP's husband and I used to think my mum was controlling too. As I've got older, I've seen more that it was his stepping back (and back and back) that made her step up. I love my dad and am pretty sure he loves me and is always great when I go to him, but without my mum I'm not sure if he'd really ever call me again.

There's a really helpful framework called the 'drama triangle', about the victim/rescuer/persecutor dynamic. One way 'in' is that someone comes in who has a need or preference for feeling like a victim, and they 'recruit' someone who feels a need to be a rescuer (this by the way is not entirely a saintly role either), then the move around - the rescuer can seem overly controlling and the victim feels persecuted (and this is what others see), but the rescuer also feels that their needs are being subsumed and their efforts unappreciated so the victim becomes the persecutor and so on...

There's no easy way out, except out. My mum never will though.

CrumpetyTea · 24/06/2021 23:52

How old is your DH?
He sounds a lot like mine- I think its an upbringing thing to a degree - mine was brought up to see all this type of stuff as Wife work.
We're in counselling for various reasons but one of the things he has said is that i stopped him/didn't support him seeing his friends. While i think this is a large degree gaslighting (I speak to his friends far more than he does) - it reflects more that he thinks its up to me to organise it and me not organising it is me failing not him failing.
Similar to parents, But also because i used to do it (and got fed up so stopped) I think it reinforced that it was my job.
for the other things you talk about- i don't think my DH or yours realise that its the effort in thinking about stuff and deciding what to do - and not the actual doing.
I'm not sure how to change them- or if its possible

gobackanddoitproperly · 25/06/2021 04:55

Honestly, people throw around the controlling word like confetti on here.

OP, how was he when you met? Engaging? Emotionally involved? Why did you fall in love with him?

OverTheRubicon · 25/06/2021 07:05

@mellicauli are you projecting a bit? Because never contacting seriously ill friends and adult children going through a very hard time, not even a text message, is not the same as just being an introvert and giving them space.

MoreAloneTime · 25/06/2021 08:17

The problem is when these happy alone types start needing other people and don't have the other people to help and all the burden gets dumped on the one person they have managed to keep around.

mellicauli · 25/06/2021 13:43

[quote OverTheRubicon]@mellicauli are you projecting a bit? Because never contacting seriously ill friends and adult children going through a very hard time, not even a text message, is not the same as just being an introvert and giving them space.[/quote]
@OverTheRubicon Projecting? Maybe, I guess we all do a bit. Dad is pretty introverted and I would never expect him to call me if I was having a hard time. Any more than I would expect my Mum to advise me if I was having a problem with my central heating: it's just out of their area of competence. But I have never for a moment doubted he loved me.

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