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Boyfriend called me selfish for wanting to go out

57 replies

nelma · 23/06/2021 18:44

Already posted in parenting but I figured it made more sense in relationships. I'm still trimming to figure out this app 😂
Anyway...

I asked my boyfriend what days he had off next month because I wanted to go out for a bottomless brunch with my friends. I'm trying to pre-plan since i wanted to drink on this day and I am bf'ing so wanted to express beforehand. dd is currently 3 weeks old but by the time I was planning this brunch she will be 6 weeks and hopefully we would have introduced bottle/formula by then, planning to do so anyway. It became a whole argument, his reasoning for being peeved is that why can't I just go on a non-alcoholic bottomless brunch with dd with me, seeing as I will be off all the time, why am I waiting for him to have a day off after working all to go out drinking leaving dd with him. His problem isn't taking care of our daughter whilst I'm away, but because I'm drinking it a problem? I told him I wanted a day to myself since I've had a problem with autonomy since the beginning of the pregnancy. That's when he proceeded to call me selfish, since dd is only a newborn and I'm already planning selfish days.

Please tell me im not ridiculous for calling him ridiculous

OP posts:
Kiki275 · 23/06/2021 18:50

He's being quite selfish there. Is he now seeing maternity leave as a 24/7 job for you and his weekends as his own?

As an aside, keep your plans open about baby taking a bottle. They may not take to it as quickly as planned, if at all x

QueenBee52 · 23/06/2021 19:04

What a Prick he sounds ..

You go enjoy your girls day OP 🌸

Lollypop701 · 23/06/2021 19:19

Even if you decide not to drink, do not take baby. Start as you mean to go on.

Maze4 · 23/06/2021 19:23

He is being very unreasonable.. u carried ur baby for 9 months, given birth and now a full time mummy.. u deserve a break and if its only for a few hours what's his problem!! He sounds pretty selfish if u ask me.. Go and enjoy yourself, he has parental responsibilities too, not just u!! My husband is forever telling me to take a break from the kids because we all need to escape every now and then.. and congratulations on the birth of your baby op x

thelegohooverer · 23/06/2021 20:53

seeing as I will be off all the time, why am I waiting for him to have a day off after working all to go out drinking leaving dd with him

Well if you having dd all day is “being off”, surely him having dd on a day off makes no difference to him being off.

Or else having dd all day is work, in which case you’re entitled to expect a break.

Or is it only work to look after a baby if you have to carry about a mighty penis as well?

He needs to clarify this thought process

Melitza · 23/06/2021 20:56

@thelegohooverer

seeing as I will be off all the time, why am I waiting for him to have a day off after working all to go out drinking leaving dd with him

Well if you having dd all day is “being off”, surely him having dd on a day off makes no difference to him being off.

Or else having dd all day is work, in which case you’re entitled to expect a break.

Or is it only work to look after a baby if you have to carry about a mighty penis as well?

He needs to clarify this thought process

Grin
Sunflower1970 · 23/06/2021 21:53

Keep up your friendships. They will probably last a lot longer then this relationship

Naunet · 23/06/2021 22:05

Ahh he’s one of those men who thought he could have a baby and not have to be a parent….

SylviasMama · 23/06/2021 22:57

I think six weeks old is way too early to leave a baby. They are tiny for such a short time. Not a popular opinion here, but I think you should hold off a bit.

HappyCamperT5 · 23/06/2021 23:02

How long will you be out for?

youvegottenminuteslynn · 23/06/2021 23:07

@thelegohooverer

seeing as I will be off all the time, why am I waiting for him to have a day off after working all to go out drinking leaving dd with him

Well if you having dd all day is “being off”, surely him having dd on a day off makes no difference to him being off.

Or else having dd all day is work, in which case you’re entitled to expect a break.

Or is it only work to look after a baby if you have to carry about a mighty penis as well?

He needs to clarify this thought process

All. Of. This.

And do actually ask him this question seriously OP. Challenge his thinking on this. Because sometimes there's an undercurrent of misogyny to thinking around parenting that needs to be challenged and confronted.

UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme · 23/06/2021 23:09

Ask him whether he is happy to work a 168 hour week, or whether that's just for women.

If you both do a 40 hour week, then you both also do 64 hours of additional childcare per week including waking nights, or if you have a highly unusual baby who sleeps for 12 hours at this age then 22 hours each of waking childcare in addition to his 40 hour waged week and your 40 hour childcare week.

layladomino · 24/06/2021 08:34

It's good that you've challenging his approach to this - and you should ask the questions suggested above. His thought process is illogical. Also, going out when your baby is 6 weeks old is absolutely fine, of course. Please don't be guilt-tripped or controlled by the idea that somehow babies have to be with their Mum every waking hour for the first few months. It won't make a jot of difference to your baby, and could be really good for you - which in turn is good for you both. My first night out was when my DC was 6 weeks old. I missed her but I had a great time, they didn't notice I'd gone anywhere, and it helped me relax more in to being a new parent.

Dollhousedoor · 24/06/2021 08:47

@thelegohooverer YES this comment sums everything up perfectly!
Why is it is considered all time off when you are doing it but isn't time off when he has baby on his own?
He has to admit either it is hard work and you deserve a break or it is time off and it shouldnt therefore impact on his day off.

updownroundandround · 24/06/2021 10:16

@SylviasMama

Hmm Really ??

updownroundandround · 24/06/2021 10:22

@nelma

Agree totally with PP's that you need to stick to your guns !

Having a baby is a 24 hr a day job, and you also do all the shopping/cooking/cleaning/laundry/life admin too ?

So he works a 40hr week, with a 48hr rest period every 5 days, to do as he pleases, but you are either working or 'on call' 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week, with zero proper 'breaks' in your 'duties' ? For a year ?? Hmm

Yup, you need to spell this out to him, and explain clearly, why this will NOT be happening !!

What an ignorant, selfish prick ! How dare he call you selfish !!

updownroundandround · 24/06/2021 10:27

@nelma

Show him this, and tell him that this is what a real man is !

Why I Don't Help My Wife
Recently, I invited a friend over. Sipping coffee in my living room, the conversation turned from movies and sports to life. We are both about the same age, and both have been married for about the same amount of time. As we talked, I heard the loud clamoring of the dishwasher stop as it finished its final cycle. Excusing myself, I told my friend I must put away the dishes.My friend shot me a glance: a shock of disbelief, almost defensive in posture. He told me that it's great that I help out my wife, but that he doesn't bother. “Every time I do chores,” he said, “she doesn't have an ounce of gratitude. If she's not gonna thank me for helping her out, why should I even bother?” This startled me. I'm normally not a confrontational kind of guy. I don't like to talk about politics, and I usually keep my comments to myself. But this was too much. I couldn't contain myself.“Look man, I said, I'm not 'helping her out. My wife doesn't need 'help.' She needs a partner. The two of us are a team.” He started to reply, trying to explain what he meant by the comment, but I stopped him, continuing:I don't “help” my wife clean the house. We keep our house clean because we both live here and want the house to be clean. I clean the house because it's where I live, and my wife isn't a maid, but a partner.I don't “help” my wife cook because it's not her job to cook and my job to eat. We both live here, we both need to eat, and in order for us to eat, the cooking needs to be done.I don't “help” my wife do the dishes because they're my dishes, too. I eat off them, just like her, and it's in both of our interests to have them be cleaned.I don't “help” my wife with her children because they're my children, too. They need a mother and they need a father, and raising them is both of our jobs.I don't “help” my wife clean, fold clothes, do laundry, or any other chores because they aren't only “hers,” but mine.I'm not only a “help,” a hired hand that helps my wife out on occasion in exchange for a “thank you,” a kiss, or sex. I am a part of the house.Then, I turned back to my friend, his face tense with embarrassment. I was now in my full preacher mode, and it was time to charge my audience with conviction. I asked him “do you thank your wife every time she cleans the house?” He clamored to defend himself, but I continued: “I'm not talking about a half-baked “thanks” that you mutter from across the room, but actually looking her in her eye and saying that you appreciate that she worked all day to help you take care of your home!” “Do you look her in the eye and tell her she's fantastic, beautiful, the best thing that ever happened to you and that she means the world to you?” “Do you tell her how much you love that she keeps your house clean?”You should not “help” your wife with the chores in exchange for some kind of prize. What prize does she get for helping you out? You need to get out of this “Leave it to Beaver” mentality, step out of TV Land, and step up and be a real husband.My friend stood speechless, flabbergasted, fumbling to find an excuse. I shrunk in slight embarrassment for a moment, even though I knew it had to be said.I spoke again to break the silence: “I'm just saying man, your wife doesn't owe you anything. She's not your “help,” and you should treat her like an equal partner.”Many of us were raised in home with mothers who waited on us hand in foot. We took their help for granted, because they had to raise us and take care of us. But your wife is not your mother. She's not raising you, and you're not a child. Marriage is an equal partnership. Your wife is not your mother, and she's not there to take care of you.You are there to take care of each other, to have a house together, raise children together, and form an equal partnership. That means each of you carrying your share of the load, and thanking each other for help. Macho culture would make you think that everything is your wife's job, but there's nothing macho about this. It's the behavior of a child who needs to be taken care of, not an adult who can provide in a partnership.Imagine a child who constantly demands help from his mother, constantly makes messes, and never thanks her for anything. That's basically how you act towards your wife. That might be acceptable for a young infant, but not for an adult. So thank your wife for what she does, and make sure that you carry an equal share of the load, helping her in any way possible.When you make a mess, you shouldn't expect your wife to clean it up. It's your job to clean up your own messes. You both live there, you're not “helping” her with anything because it's your home.Likewise, it's not her job to constantly cook. In my home, I always do the cooking, because I'm good at it.These “traditional” roles were sold to us by fictional television. They say nothing about the reality of marriage. If you step all over your wife like Homer Simpson, you are on a one-way street to a divorce.So to everyone out there who is concerned about their own masculinity, if you want to be a macho man, stop acting like a child and making your wife do all the work and chores. Thank her, and do your part to contribute.

And if he's too selfish to share parenting, free time, social time and household chores with you, then he needn't bother thinking that you'll be 'picking up the slack' !

Clickbait · 24/06/2021 10:27

Enjoy your brunch OP! Hopefully your boyfriend will realise he's being unfair.

forumdonkey · 24/06/2021 10:35

@SylviasMama

I think six weeks old is way too early to leave a baby. They are tiny for such a short time. Not a popular opinion here, but I think you should hold off a bit.
Wtf? Leave the baby with its father for a few hours? What's the problem? She's not putting it into childcare, it'll be with its parent. She's going for brunch not a weekend away
BeeDavis · 24/06/2021 10:36

@SylviasMama

I think six weeks old is way too early to leave a baby. They are tiny for such a short time. Not a popular opinion here, but I think you should hold off a bit.
The baby will be with it’s father.... who has been going to work and leaving mum with the child. What’s the difference?!? Why do mum’s have to be the ones to stay with the baby?
ravenmum · 24/06/2021 10:57

@SylviasMama

I think six weeks old is way too early to leave a baby. They are tiny for such a short time. Not a popular opinion here, but I think you should hold off a bit.
They aren't leaving the baby. She'll be with her dad.

@thelegohooverer summed it up.

If he is planning "selfish days" on which he has the day off from his paid job and from parenting, you can do so too.

QueenBee52 · 24/06/2021 17:37

@SylviasMama

I think six weeks old is way too early to leave a baby. They are tiny for such a short time. Not a popular opinion here, but I think you should hold off a bit.
You don't believe a Father can be left alone with his baby ?
MarshmallowSwede · 24/06/2021 18:13

Enjoy your brunch my lovely. It’s nothing wrong with you wanting a day to yourself.

tenlittlecygnets · 24/06/2021 18:17

The only problem I can see if that your baby won't be used to taking a bottle by then ... or won't settle for dad, depending how good he is with her and how involved. But you absolutely deserve a day off!! But if you drink, you will need to pump and dump your milk.

user1471538283 · 24/06/2021 18:30

It is a fabulous idea to go out with your girlfriends! Your baby will be their father. He is perfectly capable of looking after his child.

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