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I don't like how my friend is around my boyfriend

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Sillysandy · 03/06/2021 10:40

This is too long to give all the details so I will try to paint an overall picture without dripfeeding.

I am with my DP five years. In the two years before I met him I became close friends with a woman I knew through a mutual friend. We got on great. We were both single and both open about the fact we wanted to meet someone. I did an awful lot of dating, OLD and otherwise. She did very very little.

I met my DP and it got serious fairly quickly. I was conscious not to be one of those women who vanishes as soon as a man appears. She seemed keener to spend time with us as a couple. They share a hobby so that is a common ground for them to talk about.

So here is my 'problem'.

She would openly do herself up when he was arriving - even asking to borrow my makeup bag so she looked ok for him and then talking to him like he was the only person in the room.
She mocked me when I said honestly I wouldn't like them meeting up alone (or him any any new woman friend) for their hobby. My argument was they both have lots of people to train with, why would they seek out to train together? She has repeatedly asked him to do so despite him saying no for years. She often does this as soon as I leave their company but has said it in my earshot too often with a sarcastic "if that's allowed" thrown in. He always says no, busy.
She asks him to come to her house to do DIY projects. He did a couple for her but brought his daughter to the first. I came (unexpectedly for her) the next time and was horrified to see that she was extremely done up. He has said no since then for favours, I had to intervene and say we had too much to do at home. She asked him again after that which I really felt was pushing it.
They have ended up in the same training group for their hobby. She made some unnecessary remarks about him 'being the worst' for eyeing up other women all the time. I felt humiliated and unsettled as i have not seen this side of him and also don't know if it's true. Of course it could be but I can't imagine how she would be able to tell and really, I don't want to know. Myself and DP ended up having an argument about it. He said she's a troublemaker and he doesn't know why I don't tell her to f off.

One night in our earlier dating days she had too much to drink. She was telling me how lonely she felt and how she craved a solid relationship. All fine, I sympathised and understood. Then she went on to talk about how there would have been some challenges if the timing had been different and she had met my DP first. She babbled on about what would have worked between them and also what would not have worked - she talked about it in detail, the pros and cons. I was so stunned i just sat there. I assumed (as I'm sure anyone reading this has too) that he expressed some interest in her at some stage either directly or indirectly but I'm now sure this is not the case having talked openly with him about it.

It looks like a simple fix - meet them both separately but it's not that simple. For one thing, they have become connected by their hobby. He is exasperated by her (the stuff I've outlined above is an example of what goes on a lot) and has offered to just not be in the group but he has friends there, it's local and i don't want him to be training alone when he enjoys the group and I do now (I was wary initially) fully believe he's done nothing wrong.

So this brings me to the bit that I find a bit more sinister. When DP and I met I also had my own fitness related hobbies so our weekends were largely spent doing these types of activities. I became very ill a year and a half ago and have undergone gruelling treatment. It left me bald, physically very limited and very overweight - all temporarily. My friend is extremely thin which I've come to realise she is quite obsessional about.

There are too many to list here but I've had this unnerving sense of her using it against me. The comment about him eyeing up other women was oddly timed. I was dressed up, had a new platinum wig on and was getting lots of compliments and funny comments from the men. They all knew I had been through it and it felt very good natured and kind. That's just one example but there are lots of incidences of her bringing up 'my weight issue' in company with no context. I don't deny I have a weight issue as in I openly state I gained a lot during my treatment and am keen to get back exercising. But it feels designed to put me in my place, remarks about what I should be eating, how I need to be careful.

The night she was upset about being lonely I was pre-illness and getting a lot of very unwanted attention from a table of drunk men. She said to me with a perfectly straight face that something strange was going on, normally she would be the one getting all the attention and maybe she had done a bad job with her makeup. That's good she feels like that but I could not understand why she would need to say that to me. In hindsight this feels like a pattern - she gets a dig in and I can't help thinking she was then trying to sow doubt talking about the bad timing with her and my boyfriend. But I could be seeing what I want to see.

It sounds dramatic but I feel like I'm being controlled and bullied at times. Like she has formed an alliance in her head with my partner and I am the poor fat dead weight who needs to be reprimanded.

I am not sure if I have explained it well. It's hard to pick out relevant examples as it's more of an ongoing thing.

If you've got this far - thank you!

To try to pre-empt a few reactions.

I don't think my DP played any part in this or enjoys the attention. This had been explored and I'm satisfied he is blameless.

She has been a very very good friend to me otherwise.

I don't know if I'm being extra vulnerable due to my illness.

I don't think she is after him - who does that? But I feel she wants to feel that he would be with her except for the unfortunate circumstances of having met me first and bizarrely wants me to acknowledge this.

I feel vulnerable after what I've been through and not really trusting my judgment. I don't know if I'm actually paranoid or if I'm right to be wary. I feel like she has played on my insecurities because she has been finding her own life hard and I should distance myself from her.

Then another part of me thinks 'ugh don't be that awful woman who finds a man and all of a sudden single women friends are the enemy and must be kept away."

I'd be really interested to hear any perspectives but please be kind. I feel silly and petty already.

OP posts:
Iwonder08 · 03/06/2021 14:39

OP, she is not a friend at all. I would tell her in no uncertain terms she needs to back off, that her feeble attempts are obvious and that your partner finds her pathetic. I would completely cut the contact

PyongyangKipperbang · 03/06/2021 14:43

Youre being very naive. Of course she is after him, and to answer "Who does that"....nasty selfish bitchy people do that, of which she is quite clearly one.

I used to know a woman who got her self esteem from getting men to leave their wives/GF's for her. That achieved the thrill was gone and she would dump him and move on to the next one.

HollowTalk · 03/06/2021 15:00

I think we're going to get a full house here!

MissDoomAndGloom · 03/06/2021 15:04

Oh OP, this woman evokes envy and deep-rooted insecurity. It sounds like she wants your life and is trying to break you down enough until she can take it. She is not your friend at all, fuck her off.

Four key points that I picked up on that a good friend or even a decent human being wouldn't do:

  1. Criticize your weight. whether they know you're insecure about it or not, you just wouldn't do it because it's hurtful and cruel.

  2. Openly told you that she has HAD THE TIME to sit and weigh up the pros and cons of what it would be like to date your DP. Have you ever heard of for-shadowing OP? it is as if she was testing your reaction.

  3. Purposely try to make you feel shit about yourself, or as though you're inferior to her. Which she tries to do.

  4. Dress up or make an effort for your DP. Which she has done. I can honestly say if I'm ever visiting a friend's house, I couldn't give a toss if her DP sees me in a bin bag, I didn't come here to see him.

Please do not allow your rose-tinted glasses or naivety to allow you to believe that there are people who wouldn't do it, because trust me there are people who will take full advantage of a good person if they get the chance.

I would personally hang her out to dry but if you want to remain friends, I definitely think a conversation needs to have because she is crossing the line and most of all, disrespecting you.

Also, would DP tell you if she had made a pass at him without the worry of you kicking off? The fact he is keen on you kicking her to the curb tells me he too knows full well that she's a POS.

Sending you lots of strength xx

Sillysandy · 03/06/2021 15:04

Hi everyone,

I'm just catching up on the replies here now. So many and thank you.

To the pp who asked, I have not posted about her before. I was very nervous posting actually as I am really doubting 'my version' I suppose. It is very hard to look in the mirror and see somebody unrecognisable so my fear is that feeling so unsure of myself, I was seeing my own warped reality.

Obviously when you write a post here you don't want to be told that you are a spiteful petty jealous person so I read all the replies initially thinking "oh but they don't know her and all the nice things she does" and wondering if I've given a biased account.

So to add some balance - I will say that she has done very nice things for me, she was always ready to jump in during the many medical emergencies. She also often compliments my appearance, me in general as a person and our relationship. And because we talk about fitness, healthy eating a good bit the weight remarks could be part of that but there were a few times when they definitely felt like an unnecessary dig.

To add a little more texture, she's not the type to sleep with someone else's husband simply because she generally doesn't sleep with anyone.

At one stage I spoke to a friend IRL who really likes her to get some perspective and she thought it was strange too to be so persistent about requesting they trained together. The most generous explanation we could come up with is that she simply wants to train with my DP because they are the same level, he lives close by and she is very determined so my reasons were irrelevant to her. But even that best case scenario i find unreasonable.

The DIY stuff could also have a less sinister explanation; she likes getting jobs done for free and I've seen her call in favours from men a lot.

She is good friends with our mutual friend and her husband, she really enjoys his company and has absolutely no interest in him romantically.

However, there's probably no need to approach this like I'm solving a puzzle. The reality is she makes me feel suspicious of her motives and uneasy in her company. I often feel like I persist with the friendship because I feel that I owe her.

This thread has given me some clarity. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to reply. We are actually moving which means I can let this friendship go without having to explain why. I know people have advised that I should tell her exactly why but really I don't think it's so straightforward and this is the best way.

OP posts:
Sillysandy · 03/06/2021 15:13

Oh and one last thing - my remark that DP called her a troublemaker could have been misleading as it suggested he knew something I don't. He really doesn't pay attention to stuff too much so this was more a response of "she's upsetting you and me because you are now asking me what she means by thing and causing rows between us."

OP posts:
ShouldersBackChestOutChinUp · 03/06/2021 15:15

What was her reaction to your moving?

I too know someone who loves to get other people to do stuff for her. She thinks no rules apply to her. She's also very competitive over looks and money. I dropped her when I moved. Lovely to be free from that without any drama.

Sillysandy · 03/06/2021 15:28

@ShouldersBackChestOutChinUp

What was her reaction to your moving?

I too know someone who loves to get other people to do stuff for her. She thinks no rules apply to her. She's also very competitive over looks and money. I dropped her when I moved. Lovely to be free from that without any drama.

She just talked about how we would all make a proper effort to meet up and how she considered us both really close friends of hers. That's the thing, it was like she decided he was her friend too and would have been horrified to hear he considers her my friend. I mean, is that so wrong? She's known him only two years less than she's known me.

But I've decided no matter if I've misinterpreted some things, it is a stressful friendship for me and I won't be inviting her around or anything like that. I will remain friendly at a distance.

OP posts:
Beautiful3 · 03/06/2021 15:39

Sounds like your partners done nothing wrong. Your friend is not a friend but a fremeny. She is bullying you. You need to end it with her for your own mental health. I'm sorry you went through a bad time with your health. Please take a step back from your friend, and heal. Start working out for your mental health. Don't let this friend ruin your relationship, she wants to cause trouble so you leave him free, for her!

BlueButtercups · 03/06/2021 15:48

But I've decided no matter if I've misinterpreted some things, it is a stressful friendship for me and I won't be inviting her around or anything like that. I will remain friendly at a distance.

Good on you... and get shot of her completely in the long term 🌸

ShouldersBackChestOutChinUp · 03/06/2021 16:11

It'll be much easier to manage when you've moved.

Nobody wants a falling out or a scene. You'll be able to fade from view, discreetly and innocently.

Campervanna · 03/06/2021 18:57

How far away are you moving OP? Hopefully it is far enough away to ensure that she won’t be able to just visit when she likes? Remember not to let her invite herself to come and stay at weekends etc. Hope you health continues to improve, just getting away from her will give you a welcome boost. 💐

wildeverose · 03/06/2021 19:01

She IS NOT your friend - bottom line. Get her out of your life, pronto.

CuriousandReady · 03/06/2021 19:32

Op, you sound like such a lovely person. You deserve better than this woman.

Don’t invite her to the new house and just avoid meeting up. I’d bet money that if you start backing off she’ll pursue your partner more, want to confide in him to discover what she did wrong, in a sweet, innocent, victim kind of way.

I think that will be the time he tells her he’s not interested in a friendship with her and if she keeps pestering, he needs to block her.

Good luck op

wheresmymojo · 03/06/2021 19:44

Erm...the simple fix here is to ditch her as a friend altogether!

PurpleTrilby · 04/06/2021 00:45

She's an absolute bitch and your partner has already nailed it: why don't you just tell her to fuck off? His words and he's bang on target. He's not happy with her attention but is tolerating it because he wants you to take the decision to cut this toxic waste of oxygen out. Seriously just do it.

CharlotteRose90 · 04/06/2021 00:50

This woman was your friend till your partner came along. She wants him and has openly admitted him. Why the hell haven’t you blocked and deleted her. You have a good man. You don’t need a piece of trash like her.

PurpleTrilby · 04/06/2021 00:50

Why remain friendly at a distance? You owe her nothing. All she's done is cause you stress. That is not friendship! I'd be far more brutal so remember, if you think you're being harsh, you're really not. She'd be smarting for years if I had to deal with her bullshit.

ExhaustedFlamingo · 04/06/2021 01:03

OP, if it helps, focus on the fact that very few people are completely horrible or completely lovely. You know when you hear on the news after a rapist or serial killer etc is caught, and his neighbours saying "oh! he seemed like such a lovely friendly man....!"

I mean, I'm exaggerating for effect - but you know what I mean. She may well have done lots of lovely things for you but that doesn't excuse the horrible things she's done. They're not actions which you can just overlook. So you can acknowledge the fact that she's not all bad while simultaneously recognising that she can be extremely toxic and is overall, a negative influence on your life - and best gone.

Hopefully the move allows you to drift away from her without a huge confrontation as it sounds like you've been through a lot and need this hassle like a hole in the head.

Justilou1 · 04/06/2021 01:04

She has made it clear that if you didn’t exist, she would be his partner. He doesn’t think so. He has been there for you through your treatment (well done, you!!!) and she has STILL managed to be nasty and pop digs in. I think we know that anyone with any kind of genuine empathy drops that kind of crap and goes into full-support mode when someone they love is ill. She isn’t capable. She is jealous and after your man. Her sense of self is entirely external and can’t see that your DP sees more than that in you. This is why she is stunned that she sees herself as “better” and is putting you down and bringing your “weight problem” to everyone’s attention (bitch) to highlight what she sees as good about herself. I bet she brings everything around to herself, tbh. I bet compared to more supportive friends, she is high-maintenance. I would give her a swerve.

Justilou1 · 04/06/2021 01:05

Also, could she be “being lovely” to you to get his attention? To show him that she IS really a nice person? She’s not that nice TO you or ABOUT you. I think it’s a front.

Suzi888 · 04/06/2021 04:02

“she was always ready to jump in during the many medical emergencies” yeah I’ll bet she was....Hmm

Things would’ve been different if she had met your partner first?! Listen to her, she’s telling you who she is.

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MaMaD1990 · 04/06/2021 06:20

You're doing the right thing in distancing yourself from her. Sometimes the bad outweighs the good - sad, but you need to look after yourself and form friendships that don't have you second guessing yourself.

Notmoresugar · 04/06/2021 06:28

I hope you're moving far far away from her. She's trouble.