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I don't like how my friend is around my boyfriend

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Sillysandy · 03/06/2021 10:40

This is too long to give all the details so I will try to paint an overall picture without dripfeeding.

I am with my DP five years. In the two years before I met him I became close friends with a woman I knew through a mutual friend. We got on great. We were both single and both open about the fact we wanted to meet someone. I did an awful lot of dating, OLD and otherwise. She did very very little.

I met my DP and it got serious fairly quickly. I was conscious not to be one of those women who vanishes as soon as a man appears. She seemed keener to spend time with us as a couple. They share a hobby so that is a common ground for them to talk about.

So here is my 'problem'.

She would openly do herself up when he was arriving - even asking to borrow my makeup bag so she looked ok for him and then talking to him like he was the only person in the room.
She mocked me when I said honestly I wouldn't like them meeting up alone (or him any any new woman friend) for their hobby. My argument was they both have lots of people to train with, why would they seek out to train together? She has repeatedly asked him to do so despite him saying no for years. She often does this as soon as I leave their company but has said it in my earshot too often with a sarcastic "if that's allowed" thrown in. He always says no, busy.
She asks him to come to her house to do DIY projects. He did a couple for her but brought his daughter to the first. I came (unexpectedly for her) the next time and was horrified to see that she was extremely done up. He has said no since then for favours, I had to intervene and say we had too much to do at home. She asked him again after that which I really felt was pushing it.
They have ended up in the same training group for their hobby. She made some unnecessary remarks about him 'being the worst' for eyeing up other women all the time. I felt humiliated and unsettled as i have not seen this side of him and also don't know if it's true. Of course it could be but I can't imagine how she would be able to tell and really, I don't want to know. Myself and DP ended up having an argument about it. He said she's a troublemaker and he doesn't know why I don't tell her to f off.

One night in our earlier dating days she had too much to drink. She was telling me how lonely she felt and how she craved a solid relationship. All fine, I sympathised and understood. Then she went on to talk about how there would have been some challenges if the timing had been different and she had met my DP first. She babbled on about what would have worked between them and also what would not have worked - she talked about it in detail, the pros and cons. I was so stunned i just sat there. I assumed (as I'm sure anyone reading this has too) that he expressed some interest in her at some stage either directly or indirectly but I'm now sure this is not the case having talked openly with him about it.

It looks like a simple fix - meet them both separately but it's not that simple. For one thing, they have become connected by their hobby. He is exasperated by her (the stuff I've outlined above is an example of what goes on a lot) and has offered to just not be in the group but he has friends there, it's local and i don't want him to be training alone when he enjoys the group and I do now (I was wary initially) fully believe he's done nothing wrong.

So this brings me to the bit that I find a bit more sinister. When DP and I met I also had my own fitness related hobbies so our weekends were largely spent doing these types of activities. I became very ill a year and a half ago and have undergone gruelling treatment. It left me bald, physically very limited and very overweight - all temporarily. My friend is extremely thin which I've come to realise she is quite obsessional about.

There are too many to list here but I've had this unnerving sense of her using it against me. The comment about him eyeing up other women was oddly timed. I was dressed up, had a new platinum wig on and was getting lots of compliments and funny comments from the men. They all knew I had been through it and it felt very good natured and kind. That's just one example but there are lots of incidences of her bringing up 'my weight issue' in company with no context. I don't deny I have a weight issue as in I openly state I gained a lot during my treatment and am keen to get back exercising. But it feels designed to put me in my place, remarks about what I should be eating, how I need to be careful.

The night she was upset about being lonely I was pre-illness and getting a lot of very unwanted attention from a table of drunk men. She said to me with a perfectly straight face that something strange was going on, normally she would be the one getting all the attention and maybe she had done a bad job with her makeup. That's good she feels like that but I could not understand why she would need to say that to me. In hindsight this feels like a pattern - she gets a dig in and I can't help thinking she was then trying to sow doubt talking about the bad timing with her and my boyfriend. But I could be seeing what I want to see.

It sounds dramatic but I feel like I'm being controlled and bullied at times. Like she has formed an alliance in her head with my partner and I am the poor fat dead weight who needs to be reprimanded.

I am not sure if I have explained it well. It's hard to pick out relevant examples as it's more of an ongoing thing.

If you've got this far - thank you!

To try to pre-empt a few reactions.

I don't think my DP played any part in this or enjoys the attention. This had been explored and I'm satisfied he is blameless.

She has been a very very good friend to me otherwise.

I don't know if I'm being extra vulnerable due to my illness.

I don't think she is after him - who does that? But I feel she wants to feel that he would be with her except for the unfortunate circumstances of having met me first and bizarrely wants me to acknowledge this.

I feel vulnerable after what I've been through and not really trusting my judgment. I don't know if I'm actually paranoid or if I'm right to be wary. I feel like she has played on my insecurities because she has been finding her own life hard and I should distance myself from her.

Then another part of me thinks 'ugh don't be that awful woman who finds a man and all of a sudden single women friends are the enemy and must be kept away."

I'd be really interested to hear any perspectives but please be kind. I feel silly and petty already.

OP posts:
Gumbomambo · 03/06/2021 12:08

I hope you are feeling better now and your health problems are sorted. I was quite upset to read how you felt about yourself following the treatments. It must have been so hard and disorientating to feel you lost yourself like that. Your platinum wig sounds gorgeous btw. Your DP is with you, it sounds like she’s given him plenty of opportunity to run off with her, he wants you not her, he sounds embarrassed by her. Disengage from the friendship, it isn’t a friendship. She is kicking you to feel better about herself and that’s really sad for her, she’s had the opportunity to be a good friend to you and she hasn’t taken it. Take care of yourself you deserve to feel happy and secure.

ALittleBitConfused1 · 03/06/2021 12:09

You have yourself a frenemy. Does she have any other female friends?

In all honesty any friend that makes you feel so insecure or confused you need to post in here, well they aren't a true friend.

I would gradually cut contact, start stepping back. It seems your DP can see what is happening, probably because he doesn't have that emotional tie to her. But in all honesty if I was him I would continue to shut it down, in fact I would be tempted to just cut her off 100%all together immediately. She clearly has issues but that doesn't mean she gets to cause problems in your relationship as well as put you down at a time when you need boosting up the most.

TableFlowerss · 03/06/2021 12:09

Tbh I didn’t even finish reading your post. I got to the point where you asked about meeting them separately.

I don’t really have much sympathy to be honest, if you’re going to continue to pursue this friendship. That’s not what a friend does. She sounds like she’d jump at the chance of an affair and clearly you’re not oblivious to this, yet you’re still happy to be friends.

If that’s the acceptable standard of friendship to you, then it’s likely that you’ll get hurt.

I don’t know you don’t just block her out, she’s clearly got zero respect for you!

Sally872 · 03/06/2021 12:11

She sounds awful. I would distance myself from her. Be less available, text less and let her drift away. DP should be on board and avoid any attemps to make plans with either of you when he sees her at hobby.

Bobbybobbins · 03/06/2021 12:16

I would try to distance yourself. Not the same but I had a 'friend' who was like this with the digs. Once we went to a nightclub when we were 18 or so and a guy started chatting to me. Afterwards she went on to me and our friend about how she couldn't understand why he was chatting to me instead of her!

JediGnot · 03/06/2021 12:16

@User629202

Bloody hell OP, she’s not a good friend! She’s an unkind bully who puts you down and has openly made moves on your partner.

You owe her literally nothing - cut her out of your life and be happy!

"He said she's a troublemaker and he doesn't know why I don't tell her to f off. "

To be honest, that sentence in the OP seems to sum it up pretty well, though it perhaps doesn't fully over the insulting, bullying and quite likely focused desire to steal your man.

CatsGoPurrrr · 03/06/2021 12:16

WTF have I just read?

This woman is NOT your friend and everyone can see this (in layout husband!) except you.

I’d have nothing more to so with her. Doesn’t have to be a dramatic fall out, you don’t owe her your friendship, when you clearly don’t have hers!

HyacynthBucket · 03/06/2021 12:17

If life has taught me anything it is that you do not need to keep people in your life, whether family or friends, who are not on your side. If you have someone who undermines you, they are not on your side - so why would you want a relationship with them? YANBU - this friend is not really a friend to you, but has complex issues of her own which she needs to deal with. Disengage and block. It might be reasonable to tell her first that your friendship has run its course and you want to end it.
You sound amazing OP, having come through all you have and with good friends and lovely DP. Without the constant negativity of this person, you will feel a lot lighter and happier.

Billben · 03/06/2021 12:17

Get rid of her OP.

peoniesarejustperfect · 03/06/2021 12:18

@VanceRefridgeration

I'm so sorry you're going through such a tough time with your health and wish you all the best. From what you have said, your DP sounds like a stand up guy.

Your friend on the other hand sounds toxic.

Ask yourself, if this was a relationship, would you stay with this person? Would you stay with someone who you didn't trust (rightly so from what you say), who put you down to make themselves feel good, who openly criticised you or drew attention to things you were self conscious off in front of company? If this were a relationship you'd have broken up well before this. So why put up with this as a friendship?

I'd start to back away and focus on yourself, your health and enjoying life without her dragging you down

Totally second this - I think this is the main thing, not whether she is after your bloke (which I suspect she is). Even this aside, she really doesn't sound great news - obsessed about her weight, going on about make up making her attractive, putting other people down - there is so much for to life and friendship than that.

Be kind to yourself and protect your well being as well as your relationship. Hope you are on the mend and that you return to full health soon. Don't worry too much about the weight either, it will come off once you're feeling back to full health. FlowersFlowersFlowers

QioiioiioQ · 03/06/2021 12:20

ditch the bitch

QioiioiioQ · 03/06/2021 12:24

You need to go complete NC with her and tell her why
I wouldn't tell her, she sounds deluded, any explanation you give will be twisted to fit her worldview.
Ghost, slowly distance yourself make a few vague excuses here and there until she gives up and goes away

Bluntness100 · 03/06/2021 12:29

I think she’s jealous op. She’s jealous of your relationship and she wants to convince her self she could have had him. And that given a chance he’d choose her. It’s sad, and it’s all about her, but it makes her an awful friend.

wanadu2022 · 03/06/2021 12:29

Why on earth are you friends with her?? This is bonkers behaviour - trying to befriend a viper. WHY? Of all the women and men in the world you could choose to be friends with, and you've picked this malicious, toxic piece of work. You're not Mother Teresa! Just because someone is a woman, doesn't mean they should automatically earn your trust.

Dump her.

SmokeyDevil · 03/06/2021 12:29

She does want him and is pissed off you met him first. I'd bet if you could see what happens in the training sessions, it's her throwing herself at him the whole time and making a fool of herself.

Some women are just like this unfortunately. Self esteem issues mainly, and she's got them obviously because she doesn't like it if you get more attention than her.

She's not a friend. A friend would be concerned about your illness and wouldn't throw themselves at their friends partners.

You could tell her this, but what's the point? She won't listen and will probably just accuse him of doing stuff to get you to split up with him. Then she'll jump on there immediately. I wouldn't be surprised if she did know him before you and he rejected her.

rainbowstardrops · 03/06/2021 12:30

She's jealous of you, that's why she feels the need to constantly put you down!
I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her and certainly wouldn't allow her to be alone with your boyfriend! It's not that I think he'd cheat behind your back but more what accusations she'd be capable of making.
I hope you're on the road to recovery with your treatment now Thanks

Janaih · 03/06/2021 12:32

Agree with everyone, with friends like her who needs enemies!
Not all friends are meant to be for life. For a while you were on the same wavelength but its clearly not strong enough to survive this change in dynamic. And commenting on your appearance due to medical treatment is well shitty.
Your partner sounds like a decent chap though :)

Janaih · 03/06/2021 12:35

Also I used to be a sports coach, women like this are unfortunately not uncommon. One memorable one used to do sexual moans while doing press ups. Everyone rolled their eyes.

MazDazzle · 03/06/2021 12:36

She’s not your friend, she’s your frenemy. She’s keeping you sweet by being just nice enough to continue the friendship. Sometimes she’s even super nice, so that you wouldn’t dare to think she didn’t have your best interests at heart. But ultimately she is out for herself. She sounds like the type of person that has low self esteem and only by putting others down with her sneaky digs does she feel good about herself.

With every little drop of poison she feeds you she gives herself a boost.

People like her don’t change. Distance yourself from her gradually, with the view to cutting ties.

I had to do the same with my SIL. Best thing I’ve ever done. I’m civil/friendly if I have to be but other than that I avoid her.

Sittingonabench · 03/06/2021 12:42

She sounds like someone who relies on one-upmanship for her self esteem. She needs male attention- that’s not hugely rare (many women like to be noticed and complimented) but in a friendship if that’s what you rely on, you remove partners from that equation and their attention should be neither sought, desired or responded to. Her being a good friend again sounds like she may have relished feeling more stable or successful. What she is doing is crossing several lines. A friend is someone who would take your feelings into consideration and maybe take you shopping to tell you how wonderful you look if they knew that was something you were sensitive about. Yes part of friendship is looking out for the others health but your weight gain etc. Happened because you were looking out for your health so complete support is what you should be expecting. I have no problems with women who place their own value on beauty - they have been brainwashed by society but this person is not your friend and I’m appalled at her behaviour and manipulation. You aren’t being over sensitive. Ask yourself when was the last time you enjoyed her company and didn’t feel self conscious. Friends don’t make you feel that way. Get rid of her. If you partner can find another club get him to go there if he can tans is willing, ask him to take a break for a few months or arrange his own group sessions with friends away from her.

DreamingNow · 03/06/2021 12:43

she is not your friend, in any shape or form.
She is also after your DP.

Step back. Your DP ha sbeen really good there but I think you would both feel better by stopping seeing her as much as you can (I realise with the hobby this could make it harder)

Sakurami · 03/06/2021 12:47

I don't think you need to worry about your dp. She is a pathetic desperate bitch who constantly embarrasses herself.

But she is no friend to you. So ditch her. I'm sure your boyfriend will be relieved. It must be hard for him too, if she's your friend.

SmokeyDevil · 03/06/2021 12:47

@Janaih

Also I used to be a sports coach, women like this are unfortunately not uncommon. One memorable one used to do sexual moans while doing press ups. Everyone rolled their eyes.
That's just embarrassing for all involved. God knows what they think will happen, maybe they think they are in a Mills and boons book and the men won't be able to help themselves but jump on them? Grin
Yaya26 · 03/06/2021 12:48

Err why are you spending time with this nasty crazy b*h. Sheisnt a good friend. She is hankering after your partner and undermining your confidence every way she can. Get rid xx

LuvMyBubbles · 03/06/2021 12:49

You need to step back from this friendship. Watch her