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Is this a kind of abuse or should I let this go?

85 replies

NYCDeli · 07/05/2021 11:13

Hi,

Not really sure where to start here without going on and on, but I think I need some clarity and sort of need to know what to do next?

DP and I together for many years, we own a home together and we are parents. I'm coming towards the end of IVF treatment, embryo transfer is scheduled in the next month as i'd desperately like another baby.

I've used to work, have some of my own savings. I was a freelancer, doing fairly well for myself but unfortunately the work has dried up so i'm sort of a stay at home mum now (hate it, feel so vulnerable) Due to feeling so vulnerable I decided to retrain, so that's taking up a lot of my time. I'm close to qualifying and then will set up my own business - but I know this will take time and energy before I see great rewards, so it'll be a while before i'm earning, particularly as I want another child, so that will delay me a bit.

DP has his own Company, he earns good money. We don't share a bank account but he takes care of me financially. He pays for everything, but I do use my own savings occasionally too.

He's a great dad, hands on, but I do the lion's share, as well as helping him with his company and studying.

I just wanted to give some background before I go on.

Basically, he doesn't like me. It makes me feel so sad to type this because he's so brutal with his words.

I will hold my hands up and say i'm no angel. Infertility takes its toll and i've been a hormonal mess at times. I've been at this on and off for 6 years and sometimes I go scatty off the medication. I know i've not been the easiest person to live with at times but i'm really working on this and have made some major improvements. I've learned to sort of keep my feelings to myself as much as I can, because to be honest he's not very supportive and then if I get upset he erupts.

There's our problem - he erupts. If i'm having a bad day, or I have a moan, or I say something he doesn't agree with he just SCREAMS at me. His voice is so loud. The whole street must hear him. I feel like I can't be honest with my feelings because of his reaction.

The insults just roll off his tongue. The venom he spews is shocking. He's says things that are incredibly hurtful and very immature such as...

"You fat, saggy c*nt"
"I don't love you, I never have"
"You've ruined my life. If I never met you I wouldn't be living here, I'd be traveling the world"
"You're a shit mum"
"Look at the state of you, you are a fat mess"
"You will never be as good as me, look at the work you've put in over the years and you have nothing to show for it - ha"
"You're a bum. I pay for your entire life, you're a joke"
"You'll never have the success I have, you'll always be beneath me"

Honest to God, these are things he says regularly in an argument.

If I get upset and cry, he mimics me, tells me he has no sympathy for me and that i'm pathetic etc...He also often says derogatory things about my family during an argument. It's incredibly immature.

I've lost it this morning. I was crying and he was mimicking me and I just saw red. I flew at him. I have smashed my coffee machine up and just absolutely lost it. I said some terrible things in retaliation. Bare in mind i'm knee deep in IVF meds so this will play a part, but i'm also sick of being spoken to this way, I have to react if i'm hurt this deeply. I need him to see what he's doing to me. I need him to change. It's so immature and so nasty, and his voice is so loud.

In a nutshell, if I get stressed, or angry, or upset, instead of supporting me he just goes ape shit. His reaction to me is extreme, it's not normal. I always ask him to lower his voice, but he won't. Sometimes i'll then scream back when I can't take anymore, not all of the time, but sometimes - I then instantly regret it.

The thing is, i'm sort of in a very vulnerable position. I am not earning money. I couldn't afford to go and rent a place. I have no income yet, and my savings would last all of 3 months. We are about to start a double extension on our house and everything is just stressful right now.

I sort of don't know if this is some kind of abuse? I know it's wrong. I know if my children were spoken to like this, or spoke to their partner like this that I would be heartbroken, but I don't know if this is classed as some kind of mental abuse because I can often hold my own and I can be difficult to live with sometimes.

If this is abuse, well, what can I do? I have nowhere else to go and it'll be a while before i'm earning decent money.

I do love him, and everyone thinks he's a fantastic guy, he has many amazing qualities but the top and bottom of it is, is that he will always speak to me this way. He never shows any remorse. He obviously doesn't have any respect for me and things escalate VERY quickly, because of him, he escalates them. He won't talk calmly to me, no matter how many times I ask him to.

I honestly don't know what to do and would really appreciate outsiders looking in to tell me what this looks like and what (if anything) I can do?

OP posts:
Squirrelly1 · 08/05/2021 07:43

This man is vile, he won’t change, why do you want another child with him?

Footle · 08/05/2021 07:56

You're worried about the neighbours hearing. What makes you think your children can't hear?

WordOfTheDay · 08/05/2021 08:34

“If i'm having a bad day, or I have a moan, or I say something he doesn't agree with he just SCREAMS at me. His voice is so loud. The whole street must hear him.”
“He just goes ape shit. His reaction to me is extreme, it's not normal. I always ask him to lower his voice, but he won't. Sometimes i'll then scream back.”
“I flew at him. I have smashed my coffee machine up and just absolutely lost it.”
“Things escalate VERY quickly, because of him, he escalates them.”

How can you claim that your daughter/children isn’t/aren’t aware of and absorbing much of the fighting? “This doesn’t happen around my children.”
You are in denial about this. They are HUMAN BEINGS WITH EARS who live in the same house as you. It is absolutely impossible that they are not aware of and being affected by what is going on, even if they are not in the same room as you.

DorisLessingsCat · 08/05/2021 08:39

I don’t think i’m failing my children, at all. This doesn’t happen around my children. I know not to open my mouth around my children.

Eventually your daughter will notice. If she hasn't already. And as she grows she'll get the same treatment from him.

I'm so sorry you are in this position but you would be completely irresponsible to bring another child into the world while you are in an abusive relationship. I know of one woman in a similar relationship, desperate to have a second child like you and when the relationship inevitably fell apart it was so much harder for her to get away from her abuser and make a life for herself.

He still controls her through the children, especially the youngest as at his age he is vulnerable and malleable. Despite never having lived with his father full time he now tells his mother he wants to go and live with his dad, because she's useless and fat and ugly and poor. It breaks her heart as you can imagine.

Please confide in someone IRL. You deserve so much better.

littlebillie · 08/05/2021 09:36

Goodness I feel so sorry for you.Thanks I think you know what you need to do.

I always think what would I tell a friend to doing this position.

longwayoff · 08/05/2021 09:43

And you want another child with this man? That is not a wise choice. How would you like to be a child with parents like this? Pay for counselling, not IVF, until you have sorted yourself out. Nobody should have to live with this.

Rebelwithverysharpclaws · 08/05/2021 15:51

He is a cunt and will continue to abuse you as long as he can. He does it because he likes doing it - it makes him feel powerful. The more he hurts you the better he feels. Detach from him as much as you can until you are able to get rid of him. Distance yourself and just try and watch the abusive bastard playing his nasty games without getting drawn in.

CarrieAntoinette · 08/05/2021 16:05

That is flat out straight up unequivocal abuse OP.

Please get in touch with Women's Aid or your local domestic abuse charities and get some support.

Prettybubblesintheair · 08/05/2021 18:09

Op you cannot have another baby with this fucking monster. It is inexplicably selfish to even consider it. There is absolutely no way your poor children do no hear, see or feel this. You’re raising them in a toxic environment and giving them some messed up life lessons on relationships.

Please please get a job and leave him. Stop focussing on babies and extensions. Your children are going to grow up resenting you for staying in this horrible relationship, you don’t need another baby.

BadgersAreReal · 08/05/2021 19:29

Please stop blaming IVF medication for his horrendous behaviour. Surely you know deep down that the hormones are not to blame for you feeling this way? He sounds awful.

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