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Son (16) and his flaky girlfriend

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Worriedmumble · 24/04/2021 17:20

My son is 16 and he’s had a girlfriend (16) for the past 9 months. During lockdown he obviously couldn’t see her, but now he’s trying to make up for lost time.

Meet up 1 arrangements - she cancelled because she didn’t feel well.

Meet up 2 - she cancelled because “her parents were being mean”.

Meet up 3 - she ghosted DS when making plans and said she fell asleep

Meet 4 - she agreed to meet, confirmed the morning of and then ghosted DS

Throughout the Easter holiday she didn’t see him once, but was out a lot with friends.

Meet 5 - DS turns up at her house (invited) and she cried (wouldn’t say why), hugged him and fell asleep, but he was thrilled to see her regardless

Meet 6 - Arranged but she ghosted him and didn’t answer her texts the day of.

DS was upset so explained to her that - at her request he was going to forgo his family holiday (long holiday long haul) this year so she wouldn’t miss him and so they could meet up, but if this was how it was going to be, then he’d have to rethink. She promised the earth, “no don’t go on your holiday, my parents are looking forward to taking us on day trips”. So my son said, if you can’t make a meet, then that’s no problem, just say that...but the ghosting has to stop. She agreed.

Meet 7 - arranged and day of she ghosted him and said she fell asleep again

Meet 8 - Parents were mean abs so she went to sleep hence the ghosting.

Meet 9 - arranged in advance and this time I was due to pick her up and bring her to ours. The day of, she ghosted DS and I wasn’t sure what was happening. Finally she messaged ‘I can still come over, but the traffic is bad and I’m going to be home really late from school’.
I said ‘DS, sounds like she wants you to cancel’...he says ‘no no, can we pick her up but later?’ I say ok, so he texts back that we’ll pick her up whatever time she likes. No reply. Nothing. An hour passes and I say, look, she’s not coming. I have to go out.
DS is upset, but resigns himself. We go out. He sends her a message saying ‘forget it then’. He gets an IMMEDIATE response “I was just about to text you that I can still come and I’m ready”. DS says ‘that’s great! I’ll call my mum!”.

He phones me and although DH and I have just got to where we were going, we leave and come straight back to get him. DS has hopped in the shower and is getting ready. Girlfriend texts and says ‘I’ve had a shit day at school and now this. All my parents wanted to do was spend some time with me. I’m so pissed off. I’m not coming over’.

DS is devastated. He breaks down and is inconsolable. It’s disappointment after disappointment. She told him not to text back, so he hasn’t. He did however blame me saying ‘if only you’d waited...’.

I was furious after being dragged home to pick her up. I personally think she’s wasting his time and his studies and MH are suffering. She’s young and immature and clearly isn’t ready for all this. Not her fault, but I want him to move on and focus on other things.

I’ve told him that this isn’t how it’s meant to be. That it’s meant to be fun and lighthearted at his age...but he just gets upset with me.

He hasn’t got out of bed all weekend now and is utterly depressed. She was also be meant to be coming over tomorrow, but I suspect she won’t be.

How can I make him see that he’s wasting his time and affecting his school and other social life?

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Worriedmumble · 24/04/2021 18:21

@billy1966

OP,

How stressful to watch that.

She's making the most ferocious fool out of him, to put it mildly and he's hopping up and down begging for more.

The last thing that is going to appeal to a 16 year old girl or older is a boy making a total tit of himself and allowing her to treat him like shit.

This is very harsh but sadly it's true.

He's behaving like he has absolutely zero self respect and therefore she is reflecting that right back at him.

There are some great poster's on here who will know how to deal with this better than I.

But he is going to have his heart squashed repeatedly if he doesn't get a handle on his neediness.

I think you need to get your husband to have a man to man with him.

He needs protecting from himself if he is going to chase girls like this and accept such treatment.

Boys can have such tender hearts and feelings.
You really have my sympathy.
Flowers

Nail and head.

It’s painful to watch. I want to shake him.

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Worriedmumble · 24/04/2021 18:23

@Aquamarine1029

You do need to be blunt. She's a twat and making a total mug out of him. I would refuse to do anything that enables this "relationship" and I would inform him of this.
I was worried about being blunt as I wondered if it would push him away from us. This can’t go on though. I won’t be offering lifts anymore. As people have said, it’s clearly enabling this to go on.
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HowWeAre · 24/04/2021 18:24

God how horrible to watch. Is there anyone that can sit your DS down and explain that regardless of age this isn’t how it should be in a relationship?

Could it be either:

She doesn’t like him but doesn’t know how to break up with him as she’s only 16, not much life experience (explains the crying)

Likes the attention of a boy and feeling wanted and likes that he’s ‘begging to see her’ in a sense?

Likes or has been seeing someone else (explains the no time to see him and the crying)?

YukoandHiro · 24/04/2021 18:25

Yeah she's obviously treating him like crap but this is one he's going to have to work out for himself-- don't be the one to point it out to him, just support him

Worriedmumble · 24/04/2021 18:25

@CrotchetyQuaver

Would he listen if his dad had a "man to man" chat with him about relationships? Poor boy - this so called girlfriend is treating him very badly.
Yeah, dad has tried. But at the slightest mention that this girl may not be all that into things and best to try to let off for a few weeks at least, DS was screaming ‘get out of my room’. You cannot say anything remotely negative about her to him. I suppose he’s behaving very immaturely too.
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Worriedmumble · 24/04/2021 18:26

@HowWeAre

God how horrible to watch. Is there anyone that can sit your DS down and explain that regardless of age this isn’t how it should be in a relationship?

Could it be either:

She doesn’t like him but doesn’t know how to break up with him as she’s only 16, not much life experience (explains the crying)

Likes the attention of a boy and feeling wanted and likes that he’s ‘begging to see her’ in a sense?

Likes or has been seeing someone else (explains the no time to see him and the crying)?

Could be any of these. I wish I knew.
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YukoandHiro · 24/04/2021 18:27

Got to say OP, I understand it's horrible seeing your kids floundering and hurting but saying "I feel powerless" and "it's stressful" make me wonder why on Earth you're so invested in a teenage romance. Obviously at 16 I think the family holiday shouldn't be negotiable

Tangledtresses · 24/04/2021 18:27

My son is 16 if she flakes twice he's out.... but I think he's learnt the hard way.... I wouldn't ever think he'd cancel a holiday on the insistence of a girlfriend I wouldn't leave him at home though I'd insist he comes it 2 weeks! Not a lifetime

Worriedmumble · 24/04/2021 18:27

@YukoandHiro

Yeah she's obviously treating him like crap but this is one he's going to have to work out for himself-- don't be the one to point it out to him, just support him
That’s what’s worrying me.

I don’t know if I need to be blunt and say it as it is....

Or just be there to support

Argh!! Confused

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YukoandHiro · 24/04/2021 18:28

Also - from bitter experience - anyone saying to nudge the son in a certain direction is deluded. I had a wildly unsuited boyfriend from 18-21 and it only lasted so long because my parents' obvious objections pushed me more towards him and stopped me seeing sense.

Tangledtresses · 24/04/2021 18:29

Be blunt! He may grump and tell you to get out, but they listen to us more than you think... say your price leave him to it and don't mention it again until he does

Worriedmumble · 24/04/2021 18:30

@YukoandHiro

Got to say OP, I understand it's horrible seeing your kids floundering and hurting but saying "I feel powerless" and "it's stressful" make me wonder why on Earth you're so invested in a teenage romance. Obviously at 16 I think the family holiday shouldn't be negotiable
Sorry, I haven’t explained well.

He is constantly depressed. Refuses to come out with us. Is checking his phone all of the time. Waits up late for texts as when he doesn’t reply she hits the roof...she text at 2am and went mad when he didn’t respond. It was a school night.
He’s not done any revision or school work lately. He’s told me he’s not coming on holiday.
I’m invested for those reasons really. I feel she’s ruining his opportunities....or rather he is by being so ridiculously needy.

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romdowa · 24/04/2021 18:31

Hopefully this fizzles out but it sounds like your son needs to work on his self worth. He needs to believe that he is worth a lot more than accepting this treatment.

YukoandHiro · 24/04/2021 18:31

No @Worriedmumble don't say it. It honestly will have the absolute opposite effect.

You need to just step back and let it play out. Tell him that he should come on holiday because she says she cares for him so she'll be waiting (ie put the best face on it but use her words - so you're not saying she's great but you're taking her at face value.) He needs to see you trust his choices; he'll then make better choices for himself.

Getting hurt is part of life. How many of us haven't ever put up with any crap? We've all done it when we like someone until we learn from bitter experience.

YukoandHiro · 24/04/2021 18:33

I understand it must be difficult to watch but all of this is totally normal for a failing teen romance. It will end. He will thank you for not involving yourself.

Does he have any good pals? What do they think about her?

Worriedmumble · 24/04/2021 18:33

Thank you everyone, it really has helped just to vent here.

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Worriedmumble · 24/04/2021 18:34

@YukoandHiro

I understand it must be difficult to watch but all of this is totally normal for a failing teen romance. It will end. He will thank you for not involving yourself.

Does he have any good pals? What do they think about her?

She goes to a different school, so she hasn’t met his friends. They only know what my son tells them.

And to him, she’s perfect.

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BlatheringOn · 24/04/2021 18:36

At his age "treat 'em mean to keep 'em keen" is still a cliché that works. When I met my lovely DH I finally appreciated a sensitive man, but when I was younger I saw the nice guys as doormats and walked over them to reach the moronic bad boys. Like her, I was an idiot, and like her I would not have treated him well. Fortunately, some girls are more mature! Time to move on.

BluebellsGreenbells · 24/04/2021 18:39

Kids are taught to be resilient and don’t give up.

It’s not always the right message.

LimitIsUp · 24/04/2021 18:45

I would tell my ds (I have a 17 year old) straight and wouldn't sugar coat it. I'd be very blunt that she is clearly not remotely interested in him. He might be furious with me in the short term - but I think its a kindness to tell him like it is, rather than to let him continue to delude himself

katy1213 · 24/04/2021 18:45

I'd stop acting as her taxi service if for no other reason than she has zero manners.
Don't let her spoil your family holiday.

amusedtodeath1 · 24/04/2021 18:58

Just tell him how much it hurts you to see him so upset when she lets him down. Explain that you want him to be happy, but he doesn't seem to be. Never Ever criticise the GF.

That's all you can do, I'm afraid. He's besotted and there's no getting through to him until he either gets fed up himself or she ends it.

I was the same over boys at that age, you live and learn. Flowers

beachlife18 · 24/04/2021 18:58

Aww that's not good, poor lad. He's too young for these games

VodkaSlimline · 24/04/2021 19:00

She's not flaky, she's just not keen and probably afraid to admit it given how intense your son's being. It is past time he learnt to recognise and respect that girls and women, particularly younger/less confident ones, have many ways of saying No. Why is he still pursuing this? He needs to block her and delete her number.

Son (16) and his flaky girlfriend
FinallyHere · 24/04/2021 19:03

My mother says that perhaps he needs to learn the hard way

As is so often the case, sometimes Mothers are correct.

If you force him to go on your lovely hols, he will be convinced that she would have been there for him and you have forced him away. If she does like the idea of a boyfriend more than spending time with him, she will feed into this fantasy with 'if only' txts with all the hearts.

If you leave him behind, he will miss out but either she will move in with him (a whole new level of problem) or will continue to flake out on him.

Either way, like your mother, I would be inclined to try it.

Imagine, coming back from holiday to a son who had woken up from his dream.