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Lying partner

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SofiaJessica4 · 21/04/2021 18:15

Two weeks ago I discovered my partner of one year has been lying to me from the beginning. The lies are pretty huge and it's knocked me.

I'm 34(F), divorced, no kids, he is 35(M), divorced (legally as of a week ago!) with 2 small kids of 8 and 3, who I have not met.

Talking things out helps me so I've come here to do just that. Right now we're taking some space, I'm physically and emotionally drained.

I will start by saying there has been a lot of good in our relationship, I have felt (ha) emotionally close to him and although we have had ups and downs in the last year due to fall out from his divorce which has lead to me almost ending things a few times, we have continued as love is there. He has done quite a lot of work on my home, and did appear to care about me.

So... he revealed 2 weeks ago that he had been lying from day 1 about being 2 years separated. He was in fact separated for what appears to be 2 weeks when we met (18 march 2020). I say 'appears' as he told me four different dates in the space of half an hour -first October 2019, then December 2019, then January, then March. The March dates fits in with divorce & mediation paperwork he has shared that was completed by his ex wife (although it could be fabricated, who knows).

He told me he lied as he didn't want me to run away, which may well have happened given how recent his separation was.

I am on the other side of a rough divorce & when we met I was happy and throwing myself into positive projects, the gym, a new life. It took me a few years to get back to feeling myself after my separation so I would have thought twice about taking on a man who has not yet gone through any healing.

Early on he had lied about being on a dating app after we had (briefly) cut contact after our first date, and he had promised he would never lie again.

Other lies he revealed at the same time include a made up post-separation sexual relationship. I had told him I didn't want to he the first woman after his marriage, so he said he created a detailed sexual story based on an ex girlfriend. Not sure what to believe on that one. It was very detailed.

Since this 'reveal' he has trickled some other truths (?) to me. He told me he went on dates with 2 different women before meeting me.... the timelines were blurry & he kept messing around on it but finally told me he'd downloaded tinder in December 2019, right after almost leaving his wife and then agreeing to stay and try to figure things out. He's sworn up and down he never cheated on his wife but also told me a) about an incident where he sexy danced with a woman in a club and b) about a year long phone relationship during his marriage with an American woman he met through reddit.

He's also told me in the intervening weeks that he lied about his education. He said he has two degrees but in fact he did not complete either of them.

We've spoken quite a lot since, which had given me a chance to process this all. In some ways I feel for him, he seems to have a deep, deep well of insecurity and shame. I've also seen evidence his marriage was abusive which perhaps contributed to his problem, however I imagine his responses in the marriage were also toxic. He lied apparently in his marriage to avoid conflict, about where he was etc, but he's since told me he lied when he was a child to avoid getting in trouble. I would like to believe he hasn't lied his entire life but it's not looking good.

His mum is a priest. His family are lovely, middle class, intelligent people who have been lovely to me and it's just so odd to see this strange, broken person come from that. I don't even know who he is really. It's so hard to reconcile.

It's put me right back to where I was at with my divorce and the lying, cheating and abuse that happened and it made me feel sick to be back there.

A part of me wanted to stay and see if we could work through it but Sunday night I cornered him in yet another lie.... he told me he'd been having counselling but I fact checked it and after gaslighting me for a bit he crumbled and admitted he'd made that up too as he thought it was 'what I wanted to hear'.

My question is.... is there any chance this man will change while with me? With intense therapy? He's said he needs to go to therapy, he's sorry etc. I just don't believe a word he says. I know I need to cut things off for good but for some reason it's harder than I thought it would be and I'm sadder than I expected.

As an aside I felt something was off from the beginning and was oddly calm when this all happened....funny how intuition is.

Thanks in advance

OP posts:
Happinessevaded · 21/04/2021 18:22

Run. I was in a similar situation, it will drag you down and drive you crazy. As a poster said to me, ‘the hills are that way’.

He’s a liar and a cheat and no good will come of it.

autumnalrain · 21/04/2021 18:32

Omg he’s psychotic! No you can’t stay with a compulsive liar.

Trust me, this is coming from the daughter who’s dad was a bigamist with a second family that we didn’t know about for 7 years!

It’s scary how much people can cover up in plain sight. Run.

autumnalrain · 21/04/2021 18:34

Also don’t feel sorry for him. He’s a narcissist. They’re so good at lying and creating a facade for popularity then gaslighting you and making you feel sorry for them. Even when you’re the victim!

barbrahunter · 21/04/2021 18:36

He's no good and you'll never be able to believe a word he says. Get rid now.

AmandaHugenkiss · 21/04/2021 18:42

He’s already shown you who he is. Believe him. You should still be in the honeymoon period, not constantly tackling his lies. You can’t believe a word that comes out of his mouth. Why would you stay?

DioneTheDiabolist · 21/04/2021 18:45

He lies to get what he wants. Your boundaries, your principles, your needs are unimportant to him. He wants whatever he wants, and will make up whatever lie he has to to get it. He will not change with you or for you OP.

Treetops73 · 21/04/2021 18:48

It doesn’t matter why he behaves like this. Don’t waste your energy trying to work it out or looks for ways to excuse it. He is a compulsive liar, it sounds like he has been one for a long time (way before you). This is who he is, and any amount of words or promises to change will never make up for the lies, and the effect these lies have on your relationship (and you). You deserve so much more.

I was married to a compulsive liar. He truly didn’t know how to be honest - even to himself - or bear the consequences. There is no way back from that.

💐

Wanderlusto · 21/04/2021 18:51

Jeezo op, he is a compulsive liar. The relationship stuff is one thing but about the degrees too! The guy is total Walter Mitty.

He is only sorry you found him out.
Therapy does not stop liars from being liars. There was literally fuck all reason for him to lie about half that stuff. It's so incidious.

Be thankful you learned before getting married or falling pregnant to the lunatic.

Run for the hills and never look back!

Mummacake · 21/04/2021 18:56

OP, he's an out n out liar. Run as far and as fast as you can. He's showing you who he really is. Believe him.

filka · 21/04/2021 18:59

His whole life story is a complete fabrication - it isn't going to get any better. Hills thataway->

ravenmum · 21/04/2021 19:00

My question is.... is there any chance this man will change while with me? With intense therapy?
Personally, I wouldn't wait and see.

Are you feeling sad about losing him, or about where you are in life right now?

Babygotblueyes · 21/04/2021 19:02

Compulsive lying is really hard to overcome. Do you want that to be your problem? Will you ever be able to be comfortable with what he says?

SofiaJessica4 · 21/04/2021 19:07

thanks - I think maybe about where I'm at in life? Partly sad to hit the trigger and partly all those what if/negative thoughts. What if I never meet a lifelong partner etc. I recognise that is my responsibility to deal with those thoughts and I'm able to

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Anotheruser02 · 21/04/2021 19:10

He won't change. I wouldn't chuck your precious 30's at this person you won't get them back when you're jowley and regretful.

ravenmum · 21/04/2021 19:11

The sooner you drop this fish back in, the sooner you can get on with your life, however you go about it. If you stay, even if he makes a miraculous turnaround, you won't know that for sure for years. Until then, you'd be in limbo.

Anotheruser02 · 21/04/2021 19:13

Shit sorry I wouldn't have said that if I'd seen your last post. 34 is plenty young enough to meet a solid life partner as long as you are free to, it's not enough time to be a certainty if you give a looser a chance, then get over him slowly, then meet someone....

fedup51 · 21/04/2021 19:13

Run

fedup51 · 21/04/2021 19:14

As @Anotheruser02 said... 34 you've still got time to meet someone else and have children (if that's what you want)

alpenguin · 21/04/2021 19:14

Sorry he won’t change. I’m talking from experience.

Babygotblueyes · 21/04/2021 19:15

In terms of being too old to meet a partner - just talked to a woman in her 80s who was getting married and moving across country to be with him. It isnt over til we are over!

uhtredsonofuhtred1 · 21/04/2021 19:22

LEAVE. NOW! I've recently split up with a compulsive liar and it almost destroyed me over the years. Even now, I'm not sure what was real or not.

When we first got together he told me some pretty whopping great lies. Some of them I only found out were lies 5/6 years later after we had 2 kids!! He always promised to change, to get help etc....it never ever happened. The lies just continue and still continue now, 6 months post split.

Heartbeats0708 · 21/04/2021 19:27

This is a timely post for me OP as I'm in a very similar situation, with basically the same bottom line- short term ish partner, post divorce, lies discovered. I'm reading the "run" responses knowing exactly that's what I should do, but it's hard to put it into action isn't it?
For me, I think that once someone breaks that trust it's really hard, if possible at all, to come back from it. And although things have been good and we've had some lovely time together, I'm questioning if I have that faith in me to try again.
We're similar ages and I'm swaying towards plenty more fish in the sea.

Norwolf · 21/04/2021 19:29

Run!!!!!

Colourmeclear · 21/04/2021 19:31

Lying to him will always be the easy option and you will always wonder if he's being truthful. That's not the basis for a relationship nor trust.

ThePontiacBandit · 21/04/2021 19:36

My lovely Mum used to say she didn’t know much about relationships, but she knew this: Without trust, there is no relationship. It doesn’t matter what therapy he goes through, you’ll never trust fully that he’s changed, you’ll doubt everything he says. Do yourself a favour and let this one go. Might also be worth doing the Freedom programme online, it’ll help you see his behaviour for what it is and possibly avoid falling for someone similar in the future.

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