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Lying partner

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SofiaJessica4 · 21/04/2021 18:15

Two weeks ago I discovered my partner of one year has been lying to me from the beginning. The lies are pretty huge and it's knocked me.

I'm 34(F), divorced, no kids, he is 35(M), divorced (legally as of a week ago!) with 2 small kids of 8 and 3, who I have not met.

Talking things out helps me so I've come here to do just that. Right now we're taking some space, I'm physically and emotionally drained.

I will start by saying there has been a lot of good in our relationship, I have felt (ha) emotionally close to him and although we have had ups and downs in the last year due to fall out from his divorce which has lead to me almost ending things a few times, we have continued as love is there. He has done quite a lot of work on my home, and did appear to care about me.

So... he revealed 2 weeks ago that he had been lying from day 1 about being 2 years separated. He was in fact separated for what appears to be 2 weeks when we met (18 march 2020). I say 'appears' as he told me four different dates in the space of half an hour -first October 2019, then December 2019, then January, then March. The March dates fits in with divorce & mediation paperwork he has shared that was completed by his ex wife (although it could be fabricated, who knows).

He told me he lied as he didn't want me to run away, which may well have happened given how recent his separation was.

I am on the other side of a rough divorce & when we met I was happy and throwing myself into positive projects, the gym, a new life. It took me a few years to get back to feeling myself after my separation so I would have thought twice about taking on a man who has not yet gone through any healing.

Early on he had lied about being on a dating app after we had (briefly) cut contact after our first date, and he had promised he would never lie again.

Other lies he revealed at the same time include a made up post-separation sexual relationship. I had told him I didn't want to he the first woman after his marriage, so he said he created a detailed sexual story based on an ex girlfriend. Not sure what to believe on that one. It was very detailed.

Since this 'reveal' he has trickled some other truths (?) to me. He told me he went on dates with 2 different women before meeting me.... the timelines were blurry & he kept messing around on it but finally told me he'd downloaded tinder in December 2019, right after almost leaving his wife and then agreeing to stay and try to figure things out. He's sworn up and down he never cheated on his wife but also told me a) about an incident where he sexy danced with a woman in a club and b) about a year long phone relationship during his marriage with an American woman he met through reddit.

He's also told me in the intervening weeks that he lied about his education. He said he has two degrees but in fact he did not complete either of them.

We've spoken quite a lot since, which had given me a chance to process this all. In some ways I feel for him, he seems to have a deep, deep well of insecurity and shame. I've also seen evidence his marriage was abusive which perhaps contributed to his problem, however I imagine his responses in the marriage were also toxic. He lied apparently in his marriage to avoid conflict, about where he was etc, but he's since told me he lied when he was a child to avoid getting in trouble. I would like to believe he hasn't lied his entire life but it's not looking good.

His mum is a priest. His family are lovely, middle class, intelligent people who have been lovely to me and it's just so odd to see this strange, broken person come from that. I don't even know who he is really. It's so hard to reconcile.

It's put me right back to where I was at with my divorce and the lying, cheating and abuse that happened and it made me feel sick to be back there.

A part of me wanted to stay and see if we could work through it but Sunday night I cornered him in yet another lie.... he told me he'd been having counselling but I fact checked it and after gaslighting me for a bit he crumbled and admitted he'd made that up too as he thought it was 'what I wanted to hear'.

My question is.... is there any chance this man will change while with me? With intense therapy? He's said he needs to go to therapy, he's sorry etc. I just don't believe a word he says. I know I need to cut things off for good but for some reason it's harder than I thought it would be and I'm sadder than I expected.

As an aside I felt something was off from the beginning and was oddly calm when this all happened....funny how intuition is.

Thanks in advance

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HollowTalk · 22/04/2021 17:41

Oh god, OP, you did the right thing there. I bet if his mum was honest with you she'd tell you he'd been a liar right from his very first words.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 22/04/2021 17:44

What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?.

Love your own self for a change.

Post that letter and do not under any circumstances allow this man back into your life. He is a pathological liar and he is only "sorry" because you've again caught him out in a lie. Block all his ways and means of he contacting you.

Women are not rehab centres for badly raised men either, do not further be or become his. A person can never act as a rescuer or saviour in a relationship.

Sandra15 · 22/04/2021 18:13

Well done Sofia. I wish I had done the same at an early stage. I would have avoided being beaten up and raped. Thanks for sharing your story.

DorisLessingsCat · 22/04/2021 18:17

You have had a very lucky escape. You are young, free and sound really lovely. You will find someone much, much better!

Wanderlusto · 22/04/2021 18:18

Bloody cheeky git asking for date money. A liar and a chancer. You're well rid.

I wouldnt bother sending him that letter. Put the words down on paper if you feel the need but for you. Maybe burn it after you've written it to help you let go.

But you dont owe him any explanation for why you're dumping his ass. And nor will he feel sorry for what he has done because you tell him how its hurt you. Because he doesnt give two hoots who his lies hurt. Because he only cares about himself.

user1471538283 · 22/04/2021 19:23

Leave now. Someone I knew was told an absolute pack of lies like owning a house, being single, having 2 first class degrees, being wealthy, having to take an ex girlfriend to court and losing half the house, having a very well paid job. She fell for it moved hundreds of miles and got a mortgage for a house they couldnt afford.

It turns out he was living in his girlfriends house and she wanted him out, he had no money, didnt have any degrees, didnt have any friends, didnt have a well paid job and was being managed out of the one he did half. She found all this out 5 days after they moved.

She stayed with him, got a very good job whilst he "researches" and she keeps them. She's sold 2 houses since, constantly trying to downsize but of course only big houses are good enough for him. I dont get why she didnt leave.

Sandra15 · 22/04/2021 19:35

@user1471538283 that sounds a lot like my lying ex. I was only young and I fell for all his rubbish.

SofiaJessica4 · 22/04/2021 19:56

yes we had gone out for an expensive lunch after lockdown (£80), we normally (but not always) split everything, but he reached for his card & paid and neither of us mentioned it. I get he may have presumed but I think it's petty to bring it up now!!

He said he missed me, maybe it's why he got in touch. I do love him, I do think he lied in order to be with me so it's a head/heart thing. I don't believe he will change in the context of a relationship with me.

The emotional side of cutting it off is weird, I don't feel hysterically sad, I was basically hysterically upset after the end of my marriage & with this.... idk. I'm really glad I've been able to post here. Thank you all for your support.

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Wanderlusto · 22/04/2021 20:03

The thing is though, he had been lying from the start. So if you were anyone else, he would have still done the same thing. It's just utter selfishness.

SofiaJessica4 · 22/04/2021 20:18

yep good job, I earn at least 15k more than him a year, no kids, cheap mortgage, capital to get another house

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leopardandspots · 23/04/2021 00:06

You are doing the right thing. As someone said upthread there are some people who are just liars. This man will drain any happiness out of you..

I was married to one for 15 years, we and he, tried extensive joint and individual therapy. He lied to the therapist.
The whole marriage was so destabilising for me, and my poor daughters. Like standing on a permanent wobble board without knowing if the version of reality you were being given was true.

He's now with someone else who is lovely, I was chatting about something significant and she looked surprised and said
" I had no idea- how odd [exDH] hadn't told me". I felt so sorry for her as I know he'll be spinning her a complete yarn.

I've met someone else who is as open and honest as the day is long. There are non liars out there! I am in my 50s and overweight and I had great success OLD with plenty to choose from!

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