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Lying partner

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SofiaJessica4 · 21/04/2021 18:15

Two weeks ago I discovered my partner of one year has been lying to me from the beginning. The lies are pretty huge and it's knocked me.

I'm 34(F), divorced, no kids, he is 35(M), divorced (legally as of a week ago!) with 2 small kids of 8 and 3, who I have not met.

Talking things out helps me so I've come here to do just that. Right now we're taking some space, I'm physically and emotionally drained.

I will start by saying there has been a lot of good in our relationship, I have felt (ha) emotionally close to him and although we have had ups and downs in the last year due to fall out from his divorce which has lead to me almost ending things a few times, we have continued as love is there. He has done quite a lot of work on my home, and did appear to care about me.

So... he revealed 2 weeks ago that he had been lying from day 1 about being 2 years separated. He was in fact separated for what appears to be 2 weeks when we met (18 march 2020). I say 'appears' as he told me four different dates in the space of half an hour -first October 2019, then December 2019, then January, then March. The March dates fits in with divorce & mediation paperwork he has shared that was completed by his ex wife (although it could be fabricated, who knows).

He told me he lied as he didn't want me to run away, which may well have happened given how recent his separation was.

I am on the other side of a rough divorce & when we met I was happy and throwing myself into positive projects, the gym, a new life. It took me a few years to get back to feeling myself after my separation so I would have thought twice about taking on a man who has not yet gone through any healing.

Early on he had lied about being on a dating app after we had (briefly) cut contact after our first date, and he had promised he would never lie again.

Other lies he revealed at the same time include a made up post-separation sexual relationship. I had told him I didn't want to he the first woman after his marriage, so he said he created a detailed sexual story based on an ex girlfriend. Not sure what to believe on that one. It was very detailed.

Since this 'reveal' he has trickled some other truths (?) to me. He told me he went on dates with 2 different women before meeting me.... the timelines were blurry & he kept messing around on it but finally told me he'd downloaded tinder in December 2019, right after almost leaving his wife and then agreeing to stay and try to figure things out. He's sworn up and down he never cheated on his wife but also told me a) about an incident where he sexy danced with a woman in a club and b) about a year long phone relationship during his marriage with an American woman he met through reddit.

He's also told me in the intervening weeks that he lied about his education. He said he has two degrees but in fact he did not complete either of them.

We've spoken quite a lot since, which had given me a chance to process this all. In some ways I feel for him, he seems to have a deep, deep well of insecurity and shame. I've also seen evidence his marriage was abusive which perhaps contributed to his problem, however I imagine his responses in the marriage were also toxic. He lied apparently in his marriage to avoid conflict, about where he was etc, but he's since told me he lied when he was a child to avoid getting in trouble. I would like to believe he hasn't lied his entire life but it's not looking good.

His mum is a priest. His family are lovely, middle class, intelligent people who have been lovely to me and it's just so odd to see this strange, broken person come from that. I don't even know who he is really. It's so hard to reconcile.

It's put me right back to where I was at with my divorce and the lying, cheating and abuse that happened and it made me feel sick to be back there.

A part of me wanted to stay and see if we could work through it but Sunday night I cornered him in yet another lie.... he told me he'd been having counselling but I fact checked it and after gaslighting me for a bit he crumbled and admitted he'd made that up too as he thought it was 'what I wanted to hear'.

My question is.... is there any chance this man will change while with me? With intense therapy? He's said he needs to go to therapy, he's sorry etc. I just don't believe a word he says. I know I need to cut things off for good but for some reason it's harder than I thought it would be and I'm sadder than I expected.

As an aside I felt something was off from the beginning and was oddly calm when this all happened....funny how intuition is.

Thanks in advance

OP posts:
MadeForThis · 21/04/2021 19:37

He can't change who he is.

It's in his psychology to lie to avoid conflict, to lie to get what he wants, to lie to get you to do what he wants.

You will never believe him now. And you shouldn't.

sunnyzweibrucken · 21/04/2021 19:44

My god he sounds like a sociopath. Even if we all told you he could change would you ever trust him again???

I found out an ex had emotionally cheated on me for over half of our relationship. Instead of ending the relationship I decided to give him another chance because I loved him so much. But I NEVER trusted him again. I would question his every move, every day when we talked I would ask him if he'd had any inappropriate contact with the OW. For two weeks it was no, but then one day he hesitated, and that was it. He'd talked to her and we were done. He's tried to come back a couple of times but I'd never trust him, even now 10 years later.

AnyFucker · 21/04/2021 19:53

I just don't believe a word he says

Game over, surely ?

RachelRavenR0th · 21/04/2021 20:01

Bloody hell op! Come on! What would he have to say to you for you to think ‘fuck this guy is a liar and my life would be miserable with him!’

I'm physically and emotionally drained
In a relationship of a year. Why the actual hell would you want to be with him.

Get counselling yourself to find out why you feel the need to fix this liar.

SunIsComing · 21/04/2021 20:12

Get rid!

Sandra15 · 21/04/2021 20:21

I met a guy when I was quite young, 7 years older than me, he pushed me to get engaged after three weeks. He told me that he had "something to tell me" and I asked if he was married. He said he was separated. This much was true, but I didn't know that he had cheated on his wife, moved in with a girl and had split with her 10 days before he met me, and taken her to his sister's wedding in the interim (possibly not telling sister about the split).

He then told me not long after that, that this woman had been calling him to say she wanted him back. Me, being young and naive and thinking I loved him, did what I have seen on here as the "pick me dance off". He phoned this woman in front of me and said "Sorry I'm staying with Sandra." Later on it transpired that yes she had been calling him, but only to get him to pay a bill that was in his name meaning the gas would be cut off.

I stayed with him. He went on to bully, gaslight and rape me. I wish I'd taken notice at the early stages and chucked him.

Flittingaboutagain · 21/04/2021 20:25

It's perfectly possible to cut your losses and run and find someone else who is your age or older and keen to start a family within a year or two.

A future with this man is one of constantly ignoring the pit of your stomach when it tells you he's probably lying about this or that. He won't change because essentially this is the easy way out of facing reality.

Shelddd · 21/04/2021 20:32

It's normal to lie a bit at the beginning and honestly if it had been any single one of the lies he told you, i would say don't worry about it. But all of them together is very excessive and obviously he has some serious issues around lying. It could get better with mental health treatment/therapy but it's more likely it doesn't.

I would move on.

AmandaHugenkiss · 21/04/2021 21:29

@SofiaJessica4

thanks - I think maybe about where I'm at in life? Partly sad to hit the trigger and partly all those what if/negative thoughts. What if I never meet a lifelong partner etc. I recognise that is my responsibility to deal with those thoughts and I'm able to
So you’d rather spend the rest of your life miserable with a partner who lies to you about everything? Please OP. Look at what you are writing and ask if one of your friends told you this story about their boyfriend of 12 months, if you would honestly be anything but horrified they would consider staying. Ask yourself if you had a daughter if you would encourage her to aspire to this as her life long relationship.
Guavafish · 21/04/2021 21:50

There are some people who are just liars. People don’t change and this man will drain any happiness out of you! Talk to your friends and family ... and block him from your life!

Sunflower1970 · 21/04/2021 22:17

Red flags everywhere. Time to end it

CherryDocsInYrBalls · 21/04/2021 22:24

This type also seem to get off on the overblown promises to change and how they lied to protect poor, precious you. They get off on reeling you back in and seeing how much more shit you will take. It can all be quite addictive but ultimately eventually he will hurt you so badly there is no coming back. And then he will start the cycle all over again with another woman he meets online. Save yourself the trauma and tell him it's over and block

GloomyWaters · 21/04/2021 22:29

Can you speak to his family and see what they say? Or even the ex....I bet she can shed some light!!

blisstwins · 21/04/2021 23:56

Just be done. It is too much.

DioneTheDiabolist · 21/04/2021 23:59

Even if he goes to therapy, he'll just lie to the therapist. And become a worse nightmare.Shock

spotcheck · 22/04/2021 00:05

One wise poster once said ' you can't watch a liar'

Wise words

MsDogLady · 22/04/2021 01:59

Sofia, you have been pouring your love and devotion into a man who is incapable of reciprocating honesty, respect or empathy. He has abused you with his lies.

Dione is correct. If he attends counseling, he will manipulate the therapist and the sessions. He is compelled to lie and always will.

It is troubling that, even after his massive dishonesty and manipulations, you are considering staying and working through it with him. You should seriously consider individual counseling to investigate why you would be willing to settle for this emotionally dangerous relationship.

DachshundDerby · 22/04/2021 08:26

I didn’t find out my ex had lied so much until we were married. The. little by little the truth emerged. Just small things but things that made me realise he had tried to portray himself as a person he isn’t.

I thought the same as you...he needs help, he needs therapy, maybe with help he will change and feel better about himself.

I wish I hadn’t bothered. He continued to lie. There were many reasons for that but don’t waste your time and energy psychoanalysing him. You are not his therapist. Invest in yourself and walk away.

Guiltypleasures001 · 22/04/2021 09:50

Op

You've worked so hard to get you back after your ex

This guy is unraveling all your hard work
Push the reset button for your own good
Now you know why she dumped him because I bet she did

VanillaCokeZero · 22/04/2021 10:00

Run, he’s a pathological liar. You’ll never feel comfortable or safe with him.

Even if you didn’t ever meet anyone else (which is very unlikely, you sound ace and clearly can find men who are into you) that’d still be preferable to tying yourself down to a liar.

Happinessevaded · 22/04/2021 16:53

How are you doing OP? Hanging in there I hope?

SofiaJessica4 · 22/04/2021 17:17

Hi, thanks for checking in. I'm doing ok. I was still feeling pretty sad until last night I caught him in another lie. He had said he was having ad hoc therapy sessions now and then with Health Assured through work & when I called them and patched him in, he admitted that was also a lie.

So I ended things last night. He said he had been ashamed & found it hard to get therapy. I feel sad but I know this is the right thing to do. I'm going to write him a letter which I'll post

oh and today he contacted me asking for money for a trip we cancelled (fine) and for a lunch he paid for (prick). I told him he can't be that ashamed if he's discussing money 12 hours after our conversation.

Thank you for the support it has really helped me process that what i've seen from him is reality

OP posts:
Happinessevaded · 22/04/2021 17:20

Stay strong (and asking for money for lunch? Jesus)

Keep posting here when you need to it’s helped me loads

Iflyaway · 22/04/2021 17:31

Bin him off.

A liar is not what you want in life,

Famousinlove · 22/04/2021 17:36

Are you wealthier than he is? He reminds me of Dirty John.