[quote TedMullins]@LivBa don’t blame women for men’s entitlement. There’s nothing wrong with having sex on date 1 if it’s consensual and equally wanted by both parties. Likewise, there is nothing wrong with wanting to wait weeks/months/never having sex and entering into an asexual relationship. Do what you like. Men’s entitlement and women’s feeling that they have to tiptoe around men’s egos is the product of decades of insidious societal messaging that sex is something men do to women, and a no is a challenge. Look at most rom coms over 20 years old. Of course we know that’s bollocks but it seems some men haven’t got the memo yet.[/quote]
@TedMullins it's nothing to do with blame but simply acknowledging what the consequences of our free choices are, whether we like those consequences or not.
If all men need to do is turn up for some instances of drinks/dinner, not even need to get to properly know a woman for who she is as a person rather than a body, yet after date 1,2,3 etc. gets to have sex with her, and this happens with a lot of women, of course men will feel entitled to sex/a woman's body after making little effort with them.
Because what they learn about sex is that that they can have sex easily and conveniently despite making minimal effort to know the woman involved and treating her as as a sex object that can be discarded after sexual use. And that all of this is perfect fine and normal.
The fact that the women in these scenarios freely choose to be treated this way and want to have casual sex spurs these men on to continue seeing women as sex objects,because they know women are free participants in all this and they are choosing all this freely.
If women choose to do this then that's their prerogative but it makes no sense to start wringing your hands when the natural consequences come back to bite you, when you're part of making this way of interacting with women normalised and acceptable in the first place.